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FinalFour88 Feb 28, 2012 09:02 PM

Romar does not excite me at all. I loved his Brandon Roy team in '06, but outside of that, they seem to have underachieved.

OrangeFever Feb 28, 2012 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FinalFour88 (Post 533604)
Romar does not excite me at all. I loved his Brandon Roy team in '06, but outside of that, they seem to have underachieved.

Well, Harumph! :D

OrangeFever Feb 28, 2012 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by warhog6g (Post 533597)
Don't go Santorum on us :p

Santorum's my choice, now that you mention it! You've got to vote the issues . . .

I still can't imagine Romar would be overly interested in Illinois. It would be a modest upgrade, but compare Champaign-Urbana to Seattle . . . well, okay, I guess they aren't comparable . . .

He loves it here; it's his Alma Mater; he's beloved; he's a COY candidate in the Pac-Pick a Number; he's well paid and has a lot of other opportunities; he's a west coast guy. I think it would take an excessive number of Benjamins to get his attention, and there would be a lot of intangible factors.

idoc13 Feb 28, 2012 10:14 PM

Can someone shed some light on Scott Drew from Baylor for me? Does he cheat? Has his cheating been well documented?

mertdog1 Feb 28, 2012 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jhayton (Post 533510)
I would doubt jay wright is on the verge of getting fired, so my guess would be ben howland at UCLA. I would NOT be interested in him. He has proved to be almost as bad as BW but with better recruits in a weaker league. No thanks.

The guys made 3 straight final fours. I can see how that doesn't fit with what we are trying to do.:eek:

warhog6g Feb 28, 2012 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeFever (Post 533608)
Santorum's my choice, now that you mention it! You've got to vote the issues . . .

I still can't imagine Romar would be overly interested in Illinois. It would be a modest upgrade, but compare Champaign-Urbana to Seattle . . . well, okay, I guess they aren't comparable . . .

He loves it here; it's his Alma Mater; he's beloved; he's a COY candidate in the Pac-Pick a Number; he's well paid and has a lot of other opportunities; he's a west coast guy. I think it would take an excessive number of Benjamins to get his attention, and there would be a lot of intangible factors.

Yeah, I dunno I heard rumor that he might have contacted the athletic office or has expressed interest one way or another, but it is what it is...a rumor, hardly substantiated. Comparing Seattle to Urbana is a bit of an insult to Seattle.

HeartofaChampion Feb 28, 2012 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jcool (Post 533598)
I was talking about Grants time at VCU. As for the 2nd place the record itself is nice but hardly impressive considering how bad overall that conference is.

A 25-6 record is actually a lot better than nice, and VCU has done it by beating fellow mid-majors like itself. They're not beating up on D2 schools. Imagine if UI could go 15-3 in the B1G coming off a FF season the year before.

othawhitemeat Feb 28, 2012 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeFever (Post 533595)
I like the sound of this. I've been teased and criticized for speaking highly of him many times on this board. He's a top notch recruiter, a fine coach, a great representative of his program, and one of the most admirable people I've seen in the profession.

He happens to be a committed Christian, and that wins major points with me . . . Full disclosure! :D

I think he is pretty good, but really over-rated in the X's and O's. Most of his teams seem to underperform. However, I think he would get good talent here.

jhayton Feb 29, 2012 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mertdog1 (Post 533615)
The guys made 3 straight final fours. I can see how that doesn't fit with what we are trying to do.:eek:

I didn't remember that. I guess that is how far the PAC-12 has fallen in the last few years. To change my tune I guess I would be interested... still the recent past does give cause for concern. But much the same as my top pick jay wright. Beggars can't be choosers. Must judge all candidates on the same scale.

BTW. Thanks for not calling me mean names for the oversight in Howland 's record.

Nigel Feb 29, 2012 02:10 AM

Romar is likely to miss his 3rd NCAA tournament in 6 seasons. Remind you of anyone?

I could see Ben Howland being interested in a fresh start with the issues he's been dealing with the past few years. He's likely to miss his 2nd NCAA in 6 years, but the last final four run is still somewhat fresh (4 years ago).

Mr Bread Feb 29, 2012 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jani Lane (Post 533527)
So you'd prefer we go with the cheaper more unproven option. You'd fit well with current Bears management or with the old Tribune Cubs regime.

Ha, more unproven. Buzz has made the tournament three times. Smart won the CBI, made the Final Four and is doing extremely well this season after having lost four starters from last year's squad. Buzz is not Coach K or Izzo. What are you related to Williams? He is not significantly more accomplished than Smart. Thus a million dollars less per year is a much wiser deal for Illinois. Buzz isn't worth that yet, if ever.

AHSIllini32 Feb 29, 2012 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeFever (Post 533608)
Santorum's my choice, now that you mention it! You've got to vote the issues . . .

I still can't imagine Romar would be overly interested in Illinois. It would be a modest upgrade, but compare Champaign-Urbana to Seattle . . . well, okay, I guess they aren't comparable . . .

He loves it here; it's his Alma Mater; he's beloved; he's a COY candidate in the Pac-Pick a Number; he's well paid and has a lot of other opportunities; he's a west coast guy. I think it would take an excessive number of Benjamins to get his attention, and there would be a lot of intangible factors.

If that's your stance then I can't see how ANY republican at this point would be your choice ;)

I agree with those who say Romar doesn't excite them. Just hasn't done enough in a weak conference for me.

Also, I think some people need to realize that no coach we have a shot at is coming in without some deficiencies or potential problems. We can sit here and nit-pick all day saying, "we shouldn't hire this guy because of A, B, C or that guy because of 1, 2, 3" but I think the guy (who will be interested in us) with the least worries right now is Smart.

IntenselyOrange Feb 29, 2012 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Bread (Post 533630)
Ha, more unproven. Buzz has made the tournament three times. Smart won the CBI, made the Final Four and is doing extremely well this season after having lost four starters from last year's squad. Buzz is not Coach K or Izzo. What are you related to Williams? He is not significantly more accomplished than Smart. Thus a million dollars less per year is a much wiser deal for Illinois. Buzz isn't worth that yet, if ever.

On the other hand, Buzz has had experience with playing consecutive games against teams on the level of Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State. The main guys we are discussing - Romar, Buzz, Smart and Stevens all have their advantages and disadvantages. I think each is in a situation where they are likely to consider the Illinois job but none are in a situation where they will beg for the Illinois job.

Regarding the details of their experience, I personally don't care and think it is somewhat over rated. If a guy can coach he can coach. A quality coach with experience is better than a similarly intelligent coach without that experience, but give me the smart guy over the experienced guy any day. And that is a belief I hold for all careers. Additionally, vision and adaptability are two qualities that are extremely important and we cannot evaluate from the outside. Only MT when he conducts interviews will have any insight. Weber had the resume. He had loads of Big Ten experience as an assistant and great success at the mid-major level. However, he lacked the vision to lead a high end D1 program. Back then I wanted Matta, but could not argue with the hire based on Weber's "experience". Each of the four men being discussed meet the "experience" threshold and each seems to be an upstanding individual. I'll personally be happy with any of the four.

IntenselyOrange Feb 29, 2012 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AHSIllini32 (Post 533633)
If that's your stance then I can't see how ANY republican at this point would be your choice ;)

I agree with those who say Romar doesn't excite them. Just hasn't done enough in a weak conference for me.

Also, I think some people need to realize that no coach we have a shot at is coming in without some deficiencies or potential problems. We can sit here and nit-pick all day saying, "we shouldn't hire this guy because of A, B, C or that guy because of 1, 2, 3" but I think the guy (who will be interested in us) with the least worries right now is Smart.

Track 5 please. There is absolutely no reason to bait someone in this particular forum.

Kramer116 Feb 29, 2012 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by idoc13 (Post 533614)
Can someone shed some light on Scott Drew from Baylor for me? Does he cheat? Has his cheating been well documented?

There is plenty of smoke surrounding his program and how he gets kids to Waco, and there have been numerous articles written questioning his character.

http://gregg-doyel.blogs.cbssports.c...81996/28218817

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The crux of the confusion centers on something that's not all that big. One of Drew's assistant coaches, Mark Morefield, reportedly sent multiple text messages in June 2010 to coaches of Baylor recruit Hanner Perea -- text messages that were against NCAA rules for reasons of timing. One of my sources said he warned Drew that Morefield was breaking NCAA texting rules, and that Drew told him, "I'll take care of it."

Now, the question is, did he? Both sources told me the illegal contact from Morefield to Perea's coaches -- some texting, some calls -- continued in some shape or form for months, not stopping until the NCAA began looking into it that fall. So the question has become -- the question the NCAA wants to answer -- is one of compliance: Did Scott Drew stop Morefield from breaking NCAA rules as soon as he learned of it, or did he wait several months before putting his foot down?

So I told him. I told him I was angry that his assistant coach -- the same one, Mark Morefield -- had threatened to have Perea deported if Perea didn't follow through on his oral commitment to Baylor. Perea, a native of Colombia, is going to Indiana.
He knew an assistant had threatened to have Hanner Perea deported if he did not attend Baylor, knew that the assistant was making illegal contact via text etc to Perea's HS coaches, did not stop it immediately, and did not fire the assistant when he heard about it.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebask...ketball-101210

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The Bears finished either 11th or 12th in the Big 12 each of Drew’s four seasons. In their third season, the Bears weren’t even allowed to play any non-conference games.

However, Drew has found a way to recruit elite-level players to Waco and has led the Bears to the NCAA tournament in two of the last three seasons — including an Elite Eight berth last season in which Baylor lost to eventual national champion Duke.

Dunn, the team’s top returning scorer at 19.6 points per game, was arrested on charges of aggravated assault last week and was suspended indefinitely from the team and the school following a domestic dispute with his long-time girlfriend.
The article focused more on the assistant and his alleged threats of deporting Perea if he did not pick Baylor (he ultimately picked Indiana).

http://www.collegehoopsjournal.com/2...itcher=desktop

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Baylor guard LaceDarius Dunn, considered by many to be a top-five player in the Big 12, was arrested today for a second-degree felony on his girlfriend. Dunn and the female were involved in an altercation on Sept. 27. The phrase “causing bodily harm” is used in the police report. His bail was set at $12,500, and he faces between two and 20 years in prison if he’s not lucky enough to get off on probation terms. The facts: Dunn broke her jaw in two places, leading to a felony assault charge and the woman needing surgery.

It also led to Baylor coach Scott Drew putting his best player on the pine for an indefinite amount of time. This came about because Dunn went down to the Waco Police Department and turned himself in. Officers got scent of this when the victim checked into the hospital on the day of the altercation, and from there one thing led to another to get them to investigate how she came to have her jaw fractured.
For breaking his girlfriend's jaw in two places, looks like he was suspended for 3 games to start his senior season against Grambling St., Lasalle, and Jackson St...

There are multiple other articles questioning his usage of negative recruiting (some have called worst in college basketball), he has hired former AAU coaches to BS positions, etc etc.

AHSIllini32 Feb 29, 2012 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by IntenselyOrange (Post 533637)
Track 5 please. There is absolutely no reason to bait someone in this particular forum.

Come on guy, relax. It was a joke, hence the ;).

Anyways, I didn't realize Drew was that dirty at Baylor.

WesterveltVictoryCigar Feb 29, 2012 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Nigel (Post 533628)
Romar is likely to miss his 3rd NCAA tournament in 6 seasons. Remind you of anyone?

I'm not a Romar fan, but this really isn't accurate. As of now, 91 of the 95 brackets at the Bracket Project have UW in the tournament. They're in first place in the P12 so should have a decent chance at winning that league's automatic bid.

mertdog1 Feb 29, 2012 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jhayton (Post 533625)
I didn't remember that. I guess that is how far the PAC-12 has fallen in the last few years. To change my tune I guess I would be interested... still the recent past does give cause for concern. But much the same as my top pick jay wright. Beggars can't be choosers. Must judge all candidates on the same scale.

BTW. Thanks for not calling me mean names for the oversight in Howland 's record.

After I wrote this, what you said really got me thinking. What happend to Howland is actually what we want to happen to us. We want to recruit kids like Jabari and Okafar etc. When the overwhelming majority of your high end recruits are leaving early and in most cases one and done it's difficult to achieve sustained success. He's got some very highly rated kids coming in and is in the mix for the #2 player in Shabazz M, I think he's to good of a coach to not turn UCLA back around.

AK Illini Feb 29, 2012 07:48 AM

please not Romar

cjcastan Feb 29, 2012 07:55 AM

Well drug & discipline problems will take Howland out of the running. This might mean that it is between us & UCLA for top candidates.

Bad news for howland

ilphotog Feb 29, 2012 08:13 AM

Just wondering since this is Buzz Williams fourth season, been to the NCAA Tourney 3 times, does he get credit or does he get the, well he did it with Crean's players?

Mr Bread Feb 29, 2012 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cjcastan (Post 533674)
Well drug & discipline problems will take Howland out of the running. This might mean that it is between us & UCLA for top candidates.

Bad news for howland

I hope so. I don't want to hire a guy that's well on his way to getting fired at his current, more prestigious job. I'd take Smart, Williams, Romar or Marshall any day over that.

That and his troubles bear a somewhat striking resemblance to Weber's. Big time success followed by underperformance. Questionable disciplinary decisions. Problems relating to players. More of a tactician than a people person. I don't care what his past record is, I don't want more of the same. If MT is interested in hiring him, then he should just keep Weber around instead. It'll be cheaper and less embarrassing in the long run.

Mr Bread Feb 29, 2012 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ilphotog (Post 533678)
Just wondering since this is Buzz Williams fourth season, been to the NCAA Tourney 3 times, does he get credit or does he get the, well he did it with Crean's players?

Well this season it's all his guys, and it's his best season to date thus far. So he's got that going for him.

ole 99 Feb 29, 2012 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Bread (Post 533682)
Well this season it's all his guys, and it's his best season to date thus far. So he's got that going for him.

Said it before, and I'll say it again... Williams interference/collusion in the recent rape investigation of several of his basketball players should disqualify him from being considered. JMO. Others may disagree.

BrooksTaylorFan Feb 29, 2012 08:37 AM

I would much rather have Smart over Romar unless Romar lands us Jabari Parker. Parker would make us a title contender and having the #1 recruit in the country come to Illinois would be huge.

Romar isn't going to coach long term so what about retaining Howard and make him the coach in waiting? The thought of Romar and Howard recruiting Chicago together would be huge.


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