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Old Apr 18, 2017, 07:25 AM   #2901
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Here's a take from a Mizzou writer

Can Mizzou land 3 top recruits? Waiting to find out is the hard part.

It would appear, if youíre a Crystal Ball type, that the Michigan State Spartans are the leader for Smith. This also lines up with a lot of what Iíve been hearing around town. There is one big catch on this, and that is that Smithís parents like the idea of Mark playing a little closer to Edwardsville so they can make games on a more regular basis.

Distance to:

Columbia, MO: 137 miles
Champaign, IL: 158 miles
East Lansing, MI: 467 miles
Lexington, KY: 339 miles
Columbus, OH: 402 miles

This is why Iím not quite ready to eliminate the Tigers or the Illini just yet. There have been rumblings that things are down to either MSU and Mizzou, or MSU, Mizzou and Illinois. I donít know if Smith is that far yet.

http://www.rockmnation.com/2017/4/17...nox-mark-smith
In all the articles I have read about the Mark Smith recruitment I don't think I have seen Missouri as a serious contender. It is always Michigan State, Kentucky, Illinois and Ohio State (the latter is even often left off the list). Maybe Cuonzo Martin has done the near impossible and is keeping incredibly quite about it. Maybe that is why he is not recruiting Moore. I doubt it. But it would be an incredible coup if he pulls this off. But again, I doubt it.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 07:53 AM   #2902
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Moore has his downfalls, but I think the board is underestimating him. He was Mr. basketball in Illinois for a reason, and he averaged 12.2 points and 28 minutes per game in his true freshman campaign. We rarely had freshman play in the last five years. He would be an upgrade in talent

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Old Apr 18, 2017, 08:05 AM   #2903
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I hope BU makes Adam Miller a priority. It's going to be a heated recruitment as he gets older.

Then again, he has A LOT of priorities right now lol
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 08:06 AM   #2904
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In all the articles I have read about the Mark Smith recruitment I don't think I have seen Missouri as a serious contender. It is always Michigan State, Kentucky, Illinois and Ohio State (the latter is even often left off the list). Maybe Cuonzo Martin has done the near impossible and is keeping incredibly quite about it. Maybe that is why he is not recruiting Moore. I doubt it. But it would be an incredible coup if he pulls this off. But again, I doubt it.
is ohio state really a serious contender? they usually get a mention and there's talk of a visit but no one seems concerned about them.

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Old Apr 18, 2017, 08:10 AM   #2905
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you are right about the not playing FR in the last 5 years, and given that odds are he wouldn't have played here either till the end of the year like TL. I just do not see where he is an upgrade to who we have already. If he comes I will still root for him. saying he scored 12 points a game also means he didn't score 20 he tried to score plus gave the ball away 3 more times so for ever 12 he gets you he doesn't get you 26-30
It's also important to remember that he was playing in one of the slowest paces in the country. He would fit significantly better in Underwood's offense imo. Shot selection and turnovers tend to be freshman mistakes too. Don't get me wrong - I like some of our guards, but I don't think you can turn him down with all our available scholarships
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 08:14 AM   #2906
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It's also important to remember that he was playing in one of the slowest paces in the country. He would fit significantly better in Underwood's offense imo. Shot selection and turnovers tend to be freshman mistakes too. Don't get me wrong - I like some of our guards, but I don't think you can turn him down with all our available scholarships


I would tend to agree with the fact we need Bodys, but IF big IF we land Smith I could see passing on him, I think his biggest asset would be the Chicago/Fire tie, but would be sad if having him sit on the bench for a year and take up a scolly was the reason we couldn't land Ayo
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 08:16 AM   #2907
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I would tend to agree with the fact we need Bodys, but IF big IF we land Smith I could see passing on him, I think his biggest asset would be the Chicago/Fire tie, but would be sad if having him sit on the bench for a year and take up a scolly was the reason we couldn't land Ayo
He played with Ayo in high school. I couldn't see that being anything but a positive
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 08:19 AM   #2908
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but would be sad if having him sit on the bench for a year and take up a scolly was the reason we couldn't land Ayo

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Old Apr 18, 2017, 08:31 AM   #2909
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I would tend to agree with the fact we need Bodys, but IF big IF we land Smith I could see passing on him, I think his biggest asset would be the Chicago/Fire tie, but would be sad if having him sit on the bench for a year and take up a scolly was the reason we couldn't land Ayo
Brad Underwood will not miss on Ayo because he doesn't have enough scholarships. He's a guy you make room for.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 08:54 AM   #2910
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Final ESPN 100

DaMonte #90

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/b...s/_/order/true
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:10 AM   #2911
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Mark Smith not being in the top 100 is borderline crazy
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:10 AM   #2912
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My boss (former U of I Guard) was talking to a friend (former Florida Guard and current Big East assistant) and that he said he believed Trent Frazier was by far the best recruit in Illinois class. That was during the time that Tilmon was still committed. I know top 100s are not always accurate, but I wonder why he and Mark Smith don't get any love on them.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:14 AM   #2913
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I know top 100s are not always accurate, but I wonder why he and Mark Smith don't get any love on them.
I think they get plenty of love. I have seen Mark Smith escalate in the rankings of many services and Frazier has been ranked higher as well.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:17 AM   #2914
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The ESPN ranking are a joke. I wouldn't put any weight into them at all.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:20 AM   #2915
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Mark Smith not being in the top 100 is borderline crazy
Love Da'Monte, but there's no rational reason to have him ranked higher than Smith given his injury and Smith's monster year. ESPN doesn't seem to dedicate resources to accurately scouting and rating kids. It's frustrating because they're also the ones that end up showing these HS all-star games and national tournaments.

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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:21 AM   #2916
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Mark Smith not being in the top 100 is borderline crazy
Agreed, I think Frazier should be in there too, I expected that over DaMonte.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:22 AM   #2917
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I think they get plenty of love. I have seen Mark Smith escalate in the rankings of many services and Frazier has been ranked higher as well.
I agree with you on Mark Smith. Was unranked at the start of the season and now is a 4 star. But when was the last time Heavy Hitters like UK, MSU, and Duke were all bidding for a guy not in the Top 100. I guess I am more confused on how can there be such a disconnect from major sports reporting companies and major universities. I know kids shouldn't dwell on those rankings, but they also work incredibly hard and deserve recognition.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:23 AM   #2918
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The ESPN ranking are a joke. I wouldn't put any weight into them at all.
Just sharing to spark conversation. I would consider ESPN to be the least researched rankings. Still interesting to see and compare different sites rankings.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:28 AM   #2919
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I agree with you on Mark Smith. Was unranked at the start of the season and now is a 4 star. But when was the last time Heavy Hitters like UK, MSU, and Duke were all bidding for a guy not in the Top 100. I guess I am more confused on how can there be such a disconnect from major sports reporting companies and major universities. I know kids shouldn't dwell on those rankings, but they also work incredibly hard and deserve recognition.
The 3 major recruiting services right now are rivals, scout, and 247sports. I believe ESPN is less involved, so that may be the reason. They have a different focus.

I bet Mark Smith is not losing any sleep over it. Getting heavily recruited by MSU, Kentucky, Duke, Ohio State, Illinois, Missouri and pretty much anyone who could get into his recruitment is a lot more powerful than ESPN rankings.

If Mark Smith is successful in college, he will get plenty of love from ESPN in other areas (i.e., not recruiting) were ESPN is very strong.

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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:28 AM   #2920
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The ESPN ranking are a joke. I wouldn't put any weight into them at all.
They're especially bad if you follow the college game. I think they're strongly biased towards pro potential, rather than who's going to make an impact in college, or what they did in h.s.

The fact that Smith is getting offers from the likes of Duke and Kentucky, but not making their top-100 shows how little they pay attention to it. It's all the stranger given his size for a guard.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:33 AM   #2921
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Mark Smith visiting Illinois on Thursday

. @Mark_Smith_13 recruiting update: Michigan St. tonight, #Duke here tomorrow, visiting #Illini Thurs & Ohio St visit Fri-Sat #intrigue
https://twitter.com/NormSanders/stat...55767251664896
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:33 AM   #2922
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My boss (former U of I Guard) was talking to a friend (former Florida Guard and current Big East assistant) and that he said he believed Trent Frazier was by far the best recruit in Illinois class. That was during the time that Tilmon was still committed. I know top 100s are not always accurate, but I wonder why he and Mark Smith don't get any love on them.
I agree entirely with this -- albeit based solely upon highlight videos and stats. Quick. Athletic. He's got a scorer's mentality. He's one of those "athletes" we keep saying we haven't had over the past ten years. I'm optimistically expecting TF to start and score 8-12 ppg next year.

As for DMW, I'm expecting a reincarnation of his Dad by year 2 or 3. Now we just need to round-out the class with some top-notch talent.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:35 AM   #2923
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Mark Smith visiting Illinois on Thursday

. @Mark_Smith_13 recruiting update: Michigan St. tonight, #Duke here tomorrow, visiting #Illini Thurs & Ohio St visit Fri-Sat #intrigue
https://twitter.com/NormSanders/stat...55767251664896
I was hoping Illinois would be last, but at least he is visiting again.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:38 AM   #2924
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Mark Smith visiting Illinois on Thursday

. @Mark_Smith_13 recruiting update: Michigan St. tonight, #Duke here tomorrow, visiting #Illini Thurs & Ohio St visit Fri-Sat #intrigue
https://twitter.com/NormSanders/stat...55767251664896
The end is near. Announcement probably sometime next week. Good news that he is visiting again.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:38 AM   #2925
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I think we get the last in-home.
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