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Old Apr 18, 2017, 08:56 AM   #526
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I feel like that happened?
I do not know, there were some national analysts/writers (meaning no specific bias or association with either Illinois or Mizzou) who reported the Cuonzo offer, some even with specific figures and details. I did not see them reporting a Whitman denial, although it may have happened.

As I said, at the end of the day, it is irrelevant. They have their coach and we have ours. Success on the job is the determinant, not whether you offered or contacted others.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 08:56 AM   #527
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No particular school will be THE destination for Chicago talent. That's not the way big city recruiting works. The idea of a "pipeline" from a big city to a specific school is not realistic.
Uh, yeah, I know...that's why I said that I don't expect it.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 09:10 AM   #528
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I like hearing "he's like a brother to me" when Chin was brought up...thought he only reserved those kind of comments for Evans or any other non-Illini affiliated individual. Also, can we hire the WAND reporter? I've seen him in 2 separate Nick Irvin interviews and he knows how to cuddle up to him
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 10:36 AM   #529
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If Whitman wanted to deny that, it should have been done long time ago.


He did. Back on March 15th, when rumors were swirling that Monty Williams had turned us down, Whitman publicly stated that he "has not offered anyone yet." Think it was in a Tweet.


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Old Apr 18, 2017, 10:51 AM   #530
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He did. Back on March 15th, when rumors were swirling that Monty Williams had turned us down, Whitman publicly stated that he "has not offered anyone yet." Think it was in a Tweet.
Many people tweeted it, not Whitman. But the Whitman statement was with regard to Monty Williams reports (not Cuonzo) and was actually made during the Bollant firing PC before the Cuonzo hiring at Mizzou and before the reports on Illini offer to Cuonzo surfaced.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 01:23 PM   #531
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Not uncommon for a prospective employee to walk away from a conversation with a prospective employer thinking the conversation went well and the job is in the bag, given the prospect's inflated opinion of himself, even though there was no actual offer. An employer's courteous encouragement is not the same as a job offer.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 02:49 PM   #532
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NCAA creates Division I Transfer Working Group to review transfer rules

“Transfer issues can be very complex. This group is comprised of experienced leaders who will examine the issue with the best interest of student-athletes in mind,” Sell said. “We look forward to collaborating on this issue with the more than 50 presidents and chancellors who serve on both the DI Board of Directors and the Presidential Forum, who will offer their top-level perspective.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaa-cr...203900929.html


Jay Bilas‏Verified account @JayBilas 5h5 hours ago
NCAA Committee on transfers? NCAA says players are students. Students may transfer anywhere, without restrictions.

Jay Bilas‏Verified account @JayBilas 5h5 hours ago
If truly students and not employees, there can be no restrictions whatsoever on transfers. Meeting adjourned.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 03:12 PM   #533
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I presume the official explanation for making student-athletes wait a year is so they don't transfer willy-nilly and bounce from school to school.

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Old Apr 18, 2017, 04:17 PM   #534
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I understand it is only fair to take a serious look at player transfers but, my God, can you imagine the back door, underhanded deals? It will make high school recruiting look like kids play.

Will also have to have a devastating impact on the mid-majors...the D-League of college ball.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 04:19 PM   #535
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IlliniBrave75;1306683]NCAA creates Division I Transfer Working Group to review transfer rules

“Transfer issues can be very complex. This group is comprised of experienced leaders who will examine the issue with the best interest of student-athletes in mind,” Sell said. “We look forward to collaborating on this issue with the more than 50 presidents and chancellors who serve on both the DI Board of Directors and the Presidential Forum, who will offer their top-level perspective.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaa-cr...203900929.html
In other words, "with the best interest of the more than 50 presidents and chancellors and their schools who serve on both, etc."
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 04:58 PM   #536
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I think it's just another spin job by lying cheating Cuonzo. Charlie probably told him he wasn't interested in playing in counzo's slow down grinding offense so Counzo responds with we're not going to recruit him to save face. Just like he "turned down" the Illinois job even though it was never offered to him.
Except Missouri isn't playing Cuonzo's offense. Cornell Mann will run the offense using Fred Hoiberg's pro style uptempo offense and Martin will run the defense.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 05:01 PM   #537
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Except Missouri isn't playing Cuonzo's offense. Cornell Mann will run the offense using Fred Hoiberg's pro style uptempo offense and Martin will run the defense.
Cuonzo is not recruiting him for two reasons:

1. He wants to play close to Chicago.
2. Moore does not want to play for Cuonzo anymore and he knows it. So he is trying to save face.

It's that simple.
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 05:37 PM   #538
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I understand it is only fair to take a serious look at player transfers but, my God, can you imagine the back door, underhanded deals? It will make high school recruiting look like kids play.

Will also have to have a devastating impact on the mid-majors...the D-League of college ball.
Not just mid majors, but all lower level basketball...even bottom feeders of major conferences. A star on a team like Penn St or Rutgers would leave in a heartbeat most of the time IMO. There would be a lot of "Talor Battle" level guys tearing it up on a bad team for a year or two, then transferring to a big time school and to try and win a championship or at least get more exposure.

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Old Apr 19, 2017, 12:03 AM   #539
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Could come from many sources, I do not think it is necessarily a single source. Whitman could easily feed the information to analysts that he did not offer him. If he wanted to do so, he would/should have done it, could have even made a statement, even without mentioning names.

It is also not the case that anonymous posters on Illini message boards have better sources on what and who Whitman contacted and offered. But if feels good to say that we did not get rejected.

At the end of the day, it does not matter, even if we did offer Cuonzo Martin. It is irrelevant, they have their coach and we have ours. Performance on the job (i.e., BU's performance) is the determinant of success.
Since CM's buddy Laphonso Ellis was crying all night (pregame & halftime) live on ESPN during our NIT game after the hire of BU, that we should've hired CM. It's obvious there was no offer! It was ridiculous listening to Ellis tell the viewers that CM should've been given the job! At least 99% of the analysts who know what they're talking about, applauded the hire

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Old Apr 19, 2017, 06:16 AM   #540
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Since CM's buddy Laphonso Ellis was crying all night (pregame & halftime) live on ESPN during our NIT game after the hire of BU, that we should've hired CM. It's obvious there was no offer! It was ridiculous listening to Ellis tell the viewers that CM should've been given the job! At least 99% of the analysts who know what they're talking about, applauded the hire
This. There was no offer to Martin from UI or else Ellis would not have made such an ass of himself crying over Illinois' "missed opportunity" on ESPN.
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Old Apr 19, 2017, 11:54 AM   #541
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Jon Rothstein‏Verified account @JonRothstein 4m4 minutes ago
Kansas and Illinois have emerged as the two likeliest landing spots for Cal transfer Charlie Moore, per multiple sources.

Sorry to intrude. Didn't realize this thread was off the rails too.
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Old Apr 19, 2017, 11:56 AM   #542
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Jon Rothstein‏Verified account @JonRothstein 4m4 minutes ago
Kansas and Illinois have emerged as the two likeliest landing spots for Cal transfer Charlie Moore, per multiple sources.

Sorry to intrude. Didn't realize this thread was off the rails too.
BU needs to seal this.
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Old Apr 19, 2017, 12:12 PM   #543
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I'm sorry. I played a part in all this. I'm done with the Cmartin talk.


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Jon Rothstein‏Verified account @JonRothstein 4m4 minutes ago
Kansas and Illinois have emerged as the two likeliest landing spots for Cal transfer Charlie Moore, per multiple sources.

Sorry to intrude. Didn't realize this thread was off the rails too.
What's up with this? Kansas isn't very close to the ill family member in Chicago. Or is that even a thing? I'm of the opinion that if we can land Smith next week that we pass on Moore. If Smith goes elsewhere, I hope we prioritize some frontcourt players. Moore's situation can't really even be addressed until he actually finishes the semester anyways, correct? Do you file transfer paperwork before picking your new school, or after you've selected your transfer destination?
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Old Apr 19, 2017, 12:18 PM   #544
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Moore's situation can't really even be addressed until he actually finishes the semester anyways, correct? Do you file transfer paperwork before picking your new school, or after you've selected your transfer destination?
Moore can select a school (for basketball) once Cal approves his transfer (assuming no restrictions). He does not have to finish the semester before making a decision, he can pick a school after his transfer request has been granted and still finish the semester.

Transfer rules by NCAA affect spots/basketball. Academically, you can transfer to any school.
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Old Apr 19, 2017, 12:19 PM   #545
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Old Apr 19, 2017, 12:31 PM   #546
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Jon Rothstein‏Verified account @JonRothstein 4m4 minutes ago
Kansas and Illinois have emerged as the two likeliest landing spots for Cal transfer Charlie Moore, per multiple sources.

Sorry to intrude. Didn't realize this thread was off the rails too.
I thought Charlie Moore was going to transfer to a school that would be close/driving distance for his father. Kansas?
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Old Apr 19, 2017, 12:37 PM   #547
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I thought Charlie Moore was going to transfer to a school that would be close/driving distance for his father. Kansas?
Well, I guess it is closer than California
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Old Apr 19, 2017, 12:39 PM   #548
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Howard grad transfer James Daniel tells me he will visit Ohio State, Tennessee, Michigan, and DePaul. All visits are in May.
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Old Apr 19, 2017, 12:51 PM   #549
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Which instantly acknowledging how silly this is, I'm starting to angst about this spooking Smith away.
There's an incredibly simple solve for that.

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Old Apr 19, 2017, 01:35 PM   #550
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Kansas University is a smooth 12 hour drive from Morgan Park High School
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