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Old Apr 3, 2010, 08:41 AM   #1
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http://www.illinihq.com/news/footbal..._charest_at_qb
Bob A's projected depth chart, with sure starters bolded

OFFENSE******

Backs
QB: 1. Jacob Charest 2. Nathan Scheelhaase
RB: 1. Mikel Leshoure 2. Jason Ford
FB: 1. Zach Becker 2. Greg Fuller

Receivers
WR: 1. Jarred Fayson 2. Eddie McGee
WR: 1. A.J. Jenkins 2. Jack Ramsey
TE: 1. London Davis 2. Justin Lattimore

O-line, weak to strong
OT: 1. Jeff Allen 2. Craig Wilson
OG: 1. Hugh Thornton 2. Jack Cornell
_C: 1. Tyler Sands 2. Ryan Sedlacek
OG: 1. Randall Hunt 2. Graham Pocic
OT: 1. Corey Lewis 2. Ryan Palmer

DEFENSE*****

Defensive Line, weak to strong
Bandit: 1. Michael Buchanan 2. Nate Palmer
____DT: 1. Corey Liuget 2. Glenn Foster
____DT: 1. Akeem Spence 2. Daryle Ballew
____DE: 1. Clay Nurse 2. Justin Staples

Linebackers
MIKE: 1. Martez Wilson 2. Evan Frierson
WILL: 1. Ian Thomas 2. Aaron Gress
_SAM: 1. Russell Ellington 2. Nate Bussey

Secondary
FS: 1. Walter Aikens 2. Joelil Thrash
SS: 1. Supo Sanni 2. Trulon Henry
CB: 1. Terry Hawthorne 2. Patrick Nixon
CB: 1. Tavon Wilson 2. Miami Thomas

SPECIALISTS*****
Kicker: 1. Derek Dimke 2. Matt Eller
Punter: 1. Anthony Santella 2. Brad Janitc
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 08:56 AM   #2
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Miami not a starting CB? Interesting. Don't know much about the safeties, but I like how we look in the secondary this year. The safeties can't get a lot worse than they were last year. Miami seemed like he had a lot of potential two years ago, so if we go into nickel or dime then I think we definitely won't have a weak CB to exploit out of three of them out there.

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Old Apr 3, 2010, 09:00 AM   #3
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Who are the "surprises" this spring? Based upon first week reports, I'd say Justin Staples (DE/Bandit) and Joelil Thrash (FS).
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 09:02 AM   #4
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Miami not a starting CB? Interesting. Don't know much about the safeties, but I like how we look in the secondary this year. The safeties can't get a lot worse than they were last year. Miami seemed like he had a lot of potential two years ago, so if we go into nickel or dime then I think we definitely won't have a weak CB to exploit out of three of them out there.
Miami has had major surgery to both shoulders and both knees. Given that injury history, it is amazing that he is even on the depth chart. Terry Hawthorne and Tavon Wilson are two potential stars in the secondary, so I wouldn't look for Miami Thomas to displace either of them (unless Tavon moves to safety, which doesn't seem to be happening).
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 09:18 AM   #5
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Any news on Steve Hull? I would have thought that he could beat out McGee for a backup receiver slot. He is supposed to have great speed, run good routes, able to jump and with decent hands.

McGee has speed but is as apt to fumble the ball as to hang onto it.
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 12:15 PM   #6
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Miami has had major surgery to both shoulders and both knees. Given that injury history, it is amazing that he is even on the depth chart. Terry Hawthorne and Tavon Wilson are two potential stars in the secondary, so I wouldn't look for Miami Thomas to displace either of them (unless Tavon moves to safety, which doesn't seem to be happening).
IS it amazing, or is it telling you something about how good our D will be this year. A guy with more injuries than Dick Butkus is high on the depth chart?
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 12:16 PM   #7
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Miami has had major surgery to both shoulders and both knees. Given that injury history, it is amazing that he is even on the depth chart. Terry Hawthorne and Tavon Wilson are two potential stars in the secondary, so I wouldn't look for Miami Thomas to displace either of them (unless Tavon moves to safety, which doesn't seem to be happening).
IS it amazing, or is it a sign of how bad our D will be this year.

A guy with more injuries than Dick Butkus is high on the depth chart?
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 01:16 PM   #8
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IS it amazing, or is it telling you something about how good our D will be this year. A guy with more injuries than Dick Butkus is high on the depth chart?
It is probably saying something about our secondary depth that our two backup corners are both coming off serious injuries, Thrash has been moved to FS and Trulon Henry, after initially projected at SAM, is now back at SS. We have a few quality players in Tavon Wilson and Terry Hawthorne, but not a lot of quality depth.

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Any news on Steve Hull? I would have thought that he could beat out McGee for a backup receiver slot. He is supposed to have great speed, run good routes, able to jump and with decent hands.

McGee has speed but is as apt to fumble the ball as to hang onto it.
Hull was scout team player of the year last year, but hasn't done anything to get noticed so far this spring. McGee is apparently playing very well.
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 01:44 PM   #9
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Interesting to see Buchanan bolded, but not Martez. Although, I'm not overly surprised about Martez, especially after how lost hes looked at times in the past. I'm hoping Koenning can figure out how to get him to understand the defense, read the play and go kill people. It would be a shame to waste all that potential.
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 03:19 PM   #10
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Interesting to see Buchanan bolded, but not Martez. Although, I'm not overly surprised about Martez, especially after how lost hes looked at times in the past. I'm hoping Koenning can figure out how to get him to understand the defense, read the play and go kill people. It would be a shame to waste all that potential.
Well, it's probably hard to put his name in bold until he actually sees the field and shows what he can do in a new defensive scheme.
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 03:20 PM   #11
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Well, it's probably hard to put his name in bold until he actually sees the field and shows what he can do in a new defensive scheme.
Or to see if he is actually healthy and able to play first. I think he starts for sure if he is healthy IMO.
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 05:19 PM   #12
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Or to see if he is actually healthy and able to play first. I think he starts for sure if he is healthy IMO.
For those of you have been able to attend some of the practices if you notice both Martez and Clay Nurse both have red jerseys on which limit them in practice so they cant participate in team scrimmages and such. Id expect them to be the starters once they start getting into full practice mode again.
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 05:24 PM   #13
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Interesting to see Buchanan bolded, but not Martez. Although, I'm not overly surprised about Martez, especially after how lost hes looked at times in the past. I'm hoping Koenning can figure out how to get him to understand the defense, read the play and go kill people. It would be a shame to waste all that potential.
The bolded players are based upon my interpretations of practice reports and coaches comments... and yes, Martez can't even scrimmage until fall. When Koenning was asked about Martez he said repeatedly that he had a lot to learn. When asked if he was a leader in practice, Koenning responded at length that Martez just needed to focus on taking care of his assignments and even threw in some scripture to make his point. While Zook has spent 3 years hyping Martez Wilson, Koenning is clearly downplaying the hype. That doesn't mean Martez Wilson won't start, but it does mean that he will have to earn his time on the field.
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Old Apr 3, 2010, 05:58 PM   #14
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Martez Wilson was Zooks great recruit out of Chicago, that never has been great. Our new coaches don't give a darn about that many years old hype. They are trying to figure out who our best players are and where to play them.

Wilson may never be one of those ! Hopefully the new DC can strike a chord with Wilson and get some "great" play out of him yet.

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Old Apr 4, 2010, 03:13 PM   #15
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The bolded players are based upon my interpretations of practice reports and coaches comments... and yes, Martez can't even scrimmage until fall. When Koenning was asked about Martez he said repeatedly that he had a lot to learn. When asked if he was a leader in practice, Koenning responded at length that Martez just needed to focus on taking care of his assignments and even threw in some scripture to make his point. While Zook has spent 3 years hyping Martez Wilson, Koenning is clearly downplaying the hype. That doesn't mean Martez Wilson won't start, but it does mean that he will have to earn his time on the field.
This is the 2nd thread where I've seen you say something about Zook then promote VK as being someone who does what's "right". Zook hasn't been "hyping" Martez more than anyone else, fans included. It's not like Zook has put Martez up on some pedastal that other people haven't agreed with.

It also doesn't surprise me to hear Tez has stuff to learn considering the new system.
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Old Apr 4, 2010, 06:04 PM   #16
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This is the 2nd thread where I've seen you say something about Zook then promote VK as being someone who does what's "right". Zook hasn't been "hyping" Martez more than anyone else, fans included. It's not like Zook has put Martez up on some pedastal that other people haven't agreed with.
You are kidding, right? :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 01:25 PM   #17
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You are kidding, right? :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Nope.
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Old Apr 12, 2010, 08:12 PM   #18
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Now that things are starting to shake out, I thought it might be useful to identify potential strengths (+), weaknesses (-) and adequate (0) areas on the depth chart.

Offense
QB: - to 0. I'm going out on a limb here in not putting QB as necessarily a weakness. Yes, we lack experience but we don't lack talent. Between Charest and Scheelhaase, I think we might be okay.
RB: + 'nuff said
WR: + Jenkins, Fayson, Ramsey and McGee all have talent and athleticism. Now they have a top WR coach.
OL: 0 Jury is still out on this unit, but we have decent talent, depth and experience.
TE: - Hubie Graham would have been a stud in this offense.

Defense
DE: + With Nurse and Mercilus at the contain end and Buchanan/Staples at the Bandit, we have some quality athletes at end. Nurse has produced on the field, while both Mercilus and Buchanan have shown promise.
DT: - After Liuget, this position is full of questions. Will Brent be back and ready to play? Will Buckner contribute? Will Spence take his practice promise into live games? If all goes well, this could actually be a strong group. On the other hand, if Liuget struggles with injuries again and Brent doesn't make it we'll be in trouble.
LB: 0 We have depth and experience at LB, so this position should be solid. But so far I don't see any All-Big Ten players (yes, I know some are projecting Martez in this category, but I'll wait and see).
CB: + With Hawthorne and Tavon Wilson this might be the strongest position on the defense. A couple of outstanding DB's with room to grown.
S: - So far, no one has really emerged at safety. Let's keep our fingers crossed that Koenning can work some magic here... or perhaps we have an impact freshman at the strong safety position?

The only serious weakness on offense is at TE, while we have more question marks on defense. For those who can attend the scrimmages, I'd love to get detailed reports on the defense.
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Old Apr 12, 2010, 09:21 PM   #19
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GHD - I would pretty much agree with everything here except I think the S position should be adequate as Walt Aikens has certainly shown play-making ability.
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Old Apr 12, 2010, 09:33 PM   #20
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GHD - I would pretty much agree with everything here except I think the S position should be adequate as Walt Aikens has certainly shown play-making ability.
I think FS might be adequate (assuming Aikens can cut down on the mistakes), but what about strong safety? That is my bigger concern. Maybe Earnest Thomas can play right away, but I'd hate to depend upon a freshman. Right now Suppo Sanni is first string strong safety if I'm reading the reports correctly and that makes me nervous.
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Old Apr 15, 2010, 05:28 AM   #21
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[QUOTE=Groundhogday;299703]http://www.illinihq.com/news/footbal..._charest_at_qb
Bob A's projected depth chart, with sure starters bolded

[FONT="Courier New"]OFFENSE******

Backs
QB: 1. Jacob Charest 2. Nathan Scheelhaase
RB: 1. Mikel Leshoure 2. Jason Ford
FB: 1. Zach Becker 2. Greg Fuller


I would have to turn the QB's around on this depth chart.
1) Scheelhaase 2) Charest

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Old Apr 15, 2010, 07:17 AM   #22
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I went to the practice on tuesday afternoon and Scheelhaase looked a lot more impressive than Charest. Nate was getting reps with the first and second team offense a lot more often than Charest, indication? Whitmer was mostly with the third string and kept getting chased down cause he was usually against the first defense. Scheelhaase hit some pretty good passes too, he seems to be improving very quickly.

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Old Apr 15, 2010, 07:23 AM   #23
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I went to the practice on tuesday afternoon and Scheelhaase looked a lot more impressive than Charest. Nate was getting reps with the first and second team offense a lot more often than Charest, indication? Whitmer was mostly with the third string and kept getting chased down cause he was usually against the first defense. Scheelhaase hit some pretty good passes too, he seems to be improving very quickly.

Shief
Shief,

How did his arm strength look? I know a concern of many is his ability to make the long pass. What did you see? Can he hit the long pass? How did his accuracy look? Thanks in advance
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Old Apr 15, 2010, 07:30 AM   #24
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Kramer,

He was hitting a lot of great passes in the flat, on short routes, quick dump offs, and yes he hit some longer passes but I wont say how long (and no he didnt throw the whole field, but that would be AWESOME!). I think he can handle short, medium, and slightly long passes right now if the receiver has good hands. His longest was to either McGee or AJ so you can think about that. I would say his strength is definitely improved from what I saw at the beginning of the spring.

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Old Apr 15, 2010, 08:00 AM   #25
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Kramer,

He was hitting a lot of great passes in the flat, on short routes, quick dump offs, and yes he hit some longer passes but I wont say how long (and no he didnt throw the whole field, but that would be AWESOME!). I think he can handle short, medium, and slightly long passes right now if the receiver has good hands. His longest was to either McGee or AJ so you can think about that. I would say his strength is definitely improved from what I saw at the beginning of the spring.

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Ok great I personally do not care about the long passes as much as I care about him showing accuracy on the short and intermediate routes and hitting our WRs in stride. If he hits them in stride and they are able to accumulate yards after the catch, that will negate any lack of arm strength he has with the deep ball potentially.
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