Pot dealer linked to Kansas players

[jhayton]

Originally Posted by JSpence

That was me!

And I make that joke about the well-informed 100% of the time.

Also, that sounds interesting. I sincerely don't care about legalization, but the debate is enthralling. Care to share all or some of the paper?

Edit : I see you teased us a bit with it already, and my request still stands to be accepted or rejected.

Unfortunately, the laptop i wrote it on fried and I can't find the jump drive with my backup on it, so I only have my hard copy and I am not particularly excited to retype all 44 pages. So for now it is locked in a fire safe in my basement. If I ever decide to go to Grad school and have to retype it anyways I will gladly share... but its already been 5 years and the longer I am out of school and staying employed the less I want to go back to school.

[Lab Rat]

I agree the argument is enthralling, I still think is a bunch more complicated than just making it legal. Something I heard way back when was cigarette (tobacco) companies thought that it was going to legalized so they trademarked the popular names "street names" for marijuana just in case it was.

[JSpence]

Originally Posted by jhayton

Unfortunately, the laptop i wrote it on fried and I can't find the jump drive with my backup on it, so I only have my hard copy and I am not particularly excited to retype all 44 pages. So for now it is locked in a fire safe in my basement. If I ever decide to go to Grad school and have to retype it anyways I will gladly share... but its already been 5 years and the longer I am out of school and staying employed the less I want to go back to school.

Oof. Well at least it wasn't lost - good thinking including it in the safe. I hope you remember us down the road when you finally pay somebody $90 to retype it for ya .

Originally Posted by Lab Rat

I agree the argument is enthralling, I still think is a bunch more complicated than just making it legal. Something I heard way back when was cigarette (tobacco) companies thought that it was going to legalized so they trademarked the popular names "street names" for marijuana just in case it was.

Good grief.

Also, that's brilliant.

[illini80]

Originally Posted by PeoriaSteve

Pot is the biggest cash crop in the biggest agricultural state in the union. It might not solve all bugetary issues across the country, but it would solve California's in a flash.

Anyone who wants to can buy pot legally in California. All you have to do is ask. Actually all you have to do is say yes, they will ask you if you want a prescription. I was asked about 20 times. (I said no.)

[illini80]

Originally Posted by Serious Late

That was a nice step forward by Chicago, but it irks me that the product is illegal to begin with.

In my opinion, you have to crawl before you walk, but simply saying "well, I am just going to fine you $250-$500" for a product that is illegal for sketchy reasons to begin with isn't enough. Legalize it, tax it, treat it like cigarettes and alcohol.

Like AK said, its a long-running joke that pot is illegal. Gateway drug my...

Try telling that to my friend who spent $$$$ getting off of pot. 6 months in rehab and 3 relapses. He told me heroin was his next stop if he didn't find a way to get stop it. He had to be high all the time or he went into panic attacks. Thankfully he is now sober.

Obviously that is not the case for most, but it's not the joke some want to pretend it is.

[jhayton]

Originally Posted by illini80

Try telling that to my friend who spent $$$$ getting off of pot. 6 months in rehab and 3 relapses. He told me heroin was his next stop if he didn't find a way to get stop it. He had to be high all the time or he went into panic attacks. Thankfully he is now sober.

Obviously that is not the case for most, but it's not the joke some want to pretend it is.

Did your friend seek medical advice about the panic attacks? Not that I am a doctor or anything, but this sounds like a prime case of self-medicating an undiagnosed anxiety disorder (which a lot of people do).

I don't doubt that your friend had a mental addiction to marijuana, but there is little to/no clinical evidence of marijuana having any physically addictive properties. I am not trying to make light of his situation at all, BTW.

Is it maybe time for Dan to throw this over to the General Chat side? We have kind of rabbit trailed off of the original subject quite a bit...

[jhayton]

Originally Posted by Serious Late

That was a nice step forward by Chicago, but it irks me that the product is illegal to begin with.

In my opinion, you have to crawl before you walk, but simply saying "well, I am just going to fine you $250-$500" for a product that is illegal for sketchy reasons to begin with isn't enough. Legalize it, tax it, treat it like cigarettes and alcohol.

Like AK said, its a long-running joke that pot is illegal. Gateway drug my...

It is my personal belief that the reason pot IS a gateway drug, is the fact that the drug dealers that people are forced to use want the user to get into their more lucrative offerings (meth, coke, opiates). I believe that by legalizing or at the very least decriminalizing pot would instantly drop the likelihood that people who use marijuana will use these other more dangerous drugs.

The fact is I know very few people who have used hard drugs and never smoked weed. So in short I absolutely believe its a gateway drug, but no more so that alcohol or numerous perscrition drugs (adderall, xanax, valium).

[Bring The Paign]

out of pot, alcohol, cigarettes, cocaine, heroine, meth, other drugs and prescription medication pot is by far the less damaging, addictive and dangerous. I have only done pot and alcohol, but have seen the effects of the others. You ever seen anyone start a fist fight at a bar because they had smoked too much pot? Nope, he is probably the guy in the corner with a smile on his face destroying a pizza, and a burger, and some fries, and well... probably another pizza. A legal substance such as alcohol is far more dangerous and addictive. Alcohol withdrawal can literally kill you. Pot withdrawal will definitely suck too, but it is more of a mental dependence than a physical.

Back to topic... if there is in fact a "professional" relationship between the drug dealer and the KU Players, well, that indeed sucks for them. If the Feds want to find something, they certainly will. Can't wait to see the story unfold!

[Serious Late]

Originally Posted by illini80

Try telling that to my friend who spent $$$$ getting off of pot. 6 months in rehab and 3 relapses. He told me heroin was his next stop if he didn't find a way to get stop it. He had to be high all the time or he went into panic attacks. Thankfully he is now sober.

Obviously that is not the case for most, but it's not the joke some want to pretend it is.

Wait.... did your buddy spend 6 months in rehab for Pot? Or did your buddy spend 6 months in rehab for a harder drug, which he blames his addiction to on pot?

If you are telling me your friend spent 6 months in rehab just for marijuana purposes then I would suggest helping your friend get to the root of his problems, and I am not trying to say that just to be a tool. I legitimately don't believe the root of your friend's problems is marijuana.

Originally Posted by jhayton

It is my personal belief that the reason pot IS a gateway drug, is the fact that the drug dealers that people are forced to use want the user to get into their more lucrative offerings (meth, coke, opiates). I believe that by legalizing or at the very least decriminalizing pot would instantly drop the likelihood that people who use marijuana will use these other more dangerous drugs.

The fact is I know very few people who have used hard drugs and never smoked weed. So in short I absolutely believe its a gateway drug, but no more so that alcohol or numerous perscrition drugs (adderall, xanax, valium).

I don't debate that. I debate the nature of the cause-effect relationship. I fully believe the type of people drawn to hard drugs are also willing to consume marijuana.

What I don't believe, is that people who smoke marijuana are then more intrinsically drawn to harder drugs. that the simple inhalation of pot somehow results in dragon chasing, looking for harder drugs.

I dunno, I fully admit that I am not a researcher in this field. If anyone has read some research on this topic, I would love to read it. I base these opinions on observance only, but I REALLY struggle to believe that pot itself is a driver for harder drugs, any more than cigarettes or caffeine. The only difference I can see is that pot has been deemed illegal.

[Lab Rat]

I suspect that marijuana use in college sports is more widespread that we imagine. I also believe that the NBA has more than its share of occasional users. I know that I have heard it mentioned, but does the U of I randomly or routinely drug test ? Is there one rule for all sports? Could we be susceptible to something like this ?

[Lab Rat]

jhayton, I was hoping that in your research you would have come across the tobacco companies buying up street names for marijuana and comment on it. Am perpetrating an urban myth ? Or am I spot on ? I do remember a big push in the 70s to legalize marijuana and the tobacco companies certainly were looking for an edge or leg up on the competition. I another thing that I remember was that our government had experimental labs growing marijuana for medical and other purposes. Occasionally, I would hear of government grown pot available for sale, but of course the price was premium, I suspect a clever marketing scheme. Any facts that you can add (jhayton)? Probably all urban myths or something.
In the my rural location meth has been and is king, but bath salts and K2 is making in roads, so much so that our past county sheriff said he longed for the days when a drug bust was cutting down marijuana plants and burning them instead calling a for hazardous materials cleanup.

[zoggle101]

I'd say 90% of men's sports at the juco, NAIA, D3, and up have drug dealers associated with them. Probably 98% of men's football and basketball D1 programs are associated with drug dealers. I swear it's like some of us didn't go to college and see what really goes on. So, this isn't at all surprising. If you watched a major boxing match the last 30 years the crowd were filled with your local big time drug dealers.

[IlliniKat91]

Originally Posted by zoggle101

I'd say 90% of men's sports at the juco, NAIA, D3, and up have drug dealers associated with them. Probably 98% of men's football and basketball D1 programs are associated with drug dealers. I swear it's like some of us didn't go to college and see what really goes on. So, this isn't at all surprising. If you watched a major boxing match the last 30 years the crowd were filled with your local big time drug dealers.

I don't think anyone is surprised about drug dealers being around. More so amused that a power house has been publicly caught with one.

[Illini1324]

I can only hope Bill Self is the ring leader

[jhayton]

Originally Posted by zoggle101

I'd say 90% of men's sports at the juco, NAIA, D3, and up have drug dealers associated with them. Probably 98% of men's football and basketball D1 programs are associated with drug dealers. I swear it's like some of us didn't go to college and see what really goes on. So, this isn't at all surprising. If you watched a major boxing match the last 30 years the crowd were filled with your local big time drug dealers.

I guess that depends on how you interpret the "associated". Do programs keep dealers around, or is this just kids on the team use a dealer and he is therefore associated with the team. If you believe the latter then absolutely I would say that over 70% are "associated" with a drug dealer.

If you think the first then good luck proving it.

[redriver]

Originally Posted by Illini1324

I can only hope Bill Self is the ring leader

If Bill didn't know who was sitting behind the bench, it is because Bill didn't want to know. Playing stupid works for Kansas. They didn't know Arthur should have been ineligible. Roy didn't know the graduation gifts were illegal. They didn't know Chalmers was a doper, and no one will ever know whatever happen to all the fraudulent ticket money. It appears their philosophy on testing is 'why the heck would we want to?'

[illini80]

Originally Posted by Serious Late

Wait.... did your buddy spend 6 months in rehab for Pot? Or did your buddy spend 6 months in rehab for a harder drug, which he blames his addiction to on pot?

If you are telling me your friend spent 6 months in rehab just for marijuana purposes then I would suggest helping your friend get to the root of his problems, and I am not trying to say that just to be a tool. I legitimately don't believe the root of your friend's problems is marijuana.



I don't debate that. I debate the nature of the cause-effect relationship. I fully believe the type of people drawn to hard drugs are also willing to consume marijuana.

What I don't believe, is that people who smoke marijuana are then more intrinsically drawn to harder drugs. that the simple inhalation of pot somehow results in dragon chasing, looking for harder drugs.

I dunno, I fully admit that I am not a researcher in this field. If anyone has read some research on this topic, I would love to read it. I base these opinions on observance only, but I REALLY struggle to believe that pot itself is a driver for harder drugs, any more than cigarettes or caffeine. The only difference I can see is that pot has been deemed illegal.

Sorry for not coming back to the thread to read your response.

Sure, he had other issues. I think everyone who becomes an addict to just about anything has some underlying issues. Alcohol is what put him actually into rehab, but pot was the first "addiction".

[DaytonIllini]

WICHITA, Kan. -- Nearly three dozen people were indicted Thursday for what federal prosecutors say was a ring that supplied about $17 million worth of "high-grade" drugs to customers, including marijuana to members of last year's University of Kansas basketball team.

The U.S. Attorney's office for Kansas said the 101-count indictment involves 35 defendants, most of them from Kansas. The defendants supplied marijuana and cocaine to residents in Johnson and Douglas counties, prosecutors said.

[DaytonIllini]

They're also asking a judge to order the forfeiture of $16.9 million in cash and real estate they allege was gained from the scheme.

[illini80]

Wow. That's a lot of money flying around. Makes a person wonder what else was going on.

[256ILLINI]

Originally Posted by Lab Rat

I suspect that marijuana use in college sports is more widespread that we imagine. I also believe that the NBA has more than its share of occasional users. I know that I have heard it mentioned, but does the U of I randomly or routinely drug test ? Is there one rule for all sports? Could we be susceptible to something like this ?

I've never heard of an organized sports team that doesn't drug test. So, yes.

The NBA seems to have a lot of players that smoke, because NBA players are by far the least educated and tend to make dumb mistakes, leading to their arrest

[Lab Rat]

Originally Posted by 256ILLINI

I've never heard of an organized sports team that doesn't drug test. So, yes.

The NBA seems to have a lot of players that smoke, because NBA players are by far the least educated and tend to make dumb mistakes, leading to their arrest

Drug policies and the testing are so varied, it just made me wonder about a standardized policy for the NCAA or if each school had its own.

[Lab Rat]

I bet I know what the marijuana is used for. School projects, making rope, shoes, chemistry and botany projects and possibly even Bill's weave. I'm sorry that I thought they were doing something illegal with it.

[Holdemall]

including marijuana to members of last year's University of Kansas basketball team.

Of course, every smoker on that team graduated or left school already.