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Old Nov 8, 2012, 08:53 PM   #1
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Try this again in the correct place....

It seems Illinois voters are quite satisfied being at the top of nearly every list of the worst places to work and live.

Democrats score big wins in Illinois

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The way Republicans got their clocks cleaned by House Speaker Michael Madigan Tuesday, it’s safe to say the GOP’s nose-thumbing “Fire Madigan” mantra of the fall campaigns didn’t work out so well.

Not only did the House speaker and chairman of the Democratic Party of Illinois pick up seven seats in the House, his counterpart — Senate President John Cullerton (D-Chicago) — used a legislative map they both approved to pluck five seats from Republicans.
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“I think it certainly gives more power to Madigan and Cullerton, but how they handle it remains to be seen,” Cross said.

The numbers also raise the possibility that Mayor Rahm Emanuel could go around Quinn on an array of issues — from a city casino to pensions to a change in state law changing the face of the Illinois Sports Facilities Authority, with whom the mayor and governor tangled last week — by cutting his own deals with Madigan and Cullerton.
Only in Illinois do you reward those who managed your state into bankruptcy with the freedom to do anything they please.
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Old Nov 9, 2012, 08:45 PM   #2
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Indicted, expelled Illinois state representative re-elected

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Smith managed to win a resounding 63 percent of the vote in the statehouse race over Independent candidate Lance Tyson, who had been endorsed by Gov. Pat Quinn, Secretary of State Jesse White and other influential Democratic leaders.

Victor Henderson, Smith's attorney, described his client as an independent trailblazer that Springfield needs. Smith has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

"There were a lot of ministers who didn’t want Martin Luther King up here in the '60s because he said he was causing problems," Henderson said, according to WBEZ. "Look what good he did. People wanted Nelson Mandela to be quiet. People wanted Jesus to be quiet."
So is he the next Nelson Mandela, the next MLK, or the next Jesus?

And sorry, but he is no trailblazer. This trail was blazed long ago.
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Old Nov 12, 2012, 02:58 PM   #3
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My favorite quote:

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"I know that there are a lot of people in the media and elsewhere [who] are saying that I only received votes because I am a Democrat," Smith said, as reported by CBS Chicago. "I think that information is misinformed and insulting to the people of the district."
*facedesk*

He must not be aware that in many gerrymandered districts in this country, the Democratic and Republican parties could put Satan himself (you know, with a picture and everything) on the ballot and he would win handily.

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Old Nov 12, 2012, 03:06 PM   #4
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Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. likely to resign from Congress, looking at jail time in plea deal

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Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., who is battling legal troubles and mental illness, is likely to resign from Congress and face jail time under the terms of a plea deal his lawyer is negotiating with the federal government.

CBS Chicago reported that Jackson’s lawyer, Dan Webb, is in talks with the U.S. Justice Department over the terms of the tentative deal. They include Jackson’s resignation from Congress for health reasons, a guilty plea related to misuse of campaign funds and the repayment of any funds he used for personal reasons.

The station said some jail time is also expected. It added that Jackson’s pension – expected to pay out up to $80,000 a year when the congressman turns 62 - is on the table as well.
He won ~ 63% of the vote in his district as well.
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Old Nov 12, 2012, 06:45 PM   #5
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It would be nice to think that had this been released a week ago, that would have changed. But we know that it wouldn't.
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Old Nov 12, 2012, 06:49 PM   #6
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Any idea if the two districts overlap?

Yank that pension.

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Old Nov 13, 2012, 02:35 AM   #7
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ahh Illinois politics. its no wonder why we are often a national joke when it comes to politics.

but at times it is entertaining to watch. I remember once Gov Blago said the IL legislature was like watching a three ring circus, to which Madigan replied if the governor wanted to see a circus he should look in a mirror.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 09:07 AM   #8
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IL politics are disgusting. Yes the Dems control everything and run the state from Chicago instead of Springfield and have run the state into the ground. Actually 6 feet under.
IL laws are driving business out of the state. The work comp laws are the worst in the nation. That alone not only forces existing business to leave it keeps new ones from starting up here or coming in. Taxes are terrible. Business fail or can not expand if they have contracts with the state as they do not get paid in any ind of a timely manner.

But the Reps are just as bad. The people they run for state office are in many occasions reprehensible.

After Tuesdays results I decided anyone with any kind of common sense knows better than to run for office in IL. A great many of them have probably packed their bags and moved on.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 06:36 PM   #9
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Work Comp in IL is not administered by the State or NCCI. It's run by the construction unions and plaintiff lawyers in Chicago and the world famous judicial hellholes in Madison and St Clair counties.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 07:31 PM   #10
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Work Comp in IL is not administered by the State or NCCI. It's run by the construction unions and plaintiff lawyers in Chicago and the world famous judicial hellholes in Madison and St Clair counties.

who writes the laws that the Illinois Workers Compensation Commission administers? The State of Illinois General Assembly ie: The Illinois Democrat Party who are paid off in part by the construction unions and plaintiff lawyers.

who do you think appoints the commissioners? Either the Governor or the Senate. The gov then appoints the Chair.

So in a manner of speaking the State does indeed administer Work Comp which is what I was trying to point out without getting technical.

I will give you credit for knowing the NCCI. I am impressed.
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Old Nov 16, 2012, 07:29 PM   #11
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who writes the laws that the Illinois Workers Compensation Commission administers? The State of Illinois General Assembly ie: The Illinois Democrat Party who are paid off in part by the construction unions and plaintiff lawyers.

who do you think appoints the commissioners? Either the Governor or the Senate. The gov then appoints the Chair.

So in a manner of speaking the State does indeed administer Work Comp which is what I was trying to point out without getting technical.

I will give you credit for knowing the NCCI. I am impressed.
I wasn't trying to disagree with you WPR. I'been irritated for yrs at the way WC is run here in IL. Being a resident of Madision County I have a front row seat to the manipulation of the whole process. You are certainly correct about the structure of the committee and who appoints. I was just chiming in with my cynical view of the whole train wreck.
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Old Nov 16, 2012, 07:36 PM   #12
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I wasn't trying to disagree with you WPR. I'been irritated for yrs at the way WC is run here in IL. Being a resident of Madision County I have a front row seat to the manipulation of the whole process. You are certainly correct about the structure of the committee and who appoints. I was just chiming in with my cynical view of the whole train wreck.
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so how do you know about the NCCI? I would guess 80% or more of the general population doesn't.
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 08:38 AM   #13
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so how do you know about the NCCI? I would guess 80% or more of the general population doesn't.
Insurance and Financial Services Business.
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Old Nov 26, 2012, 08:04 PM   #14
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Interesting how Quinn seems to go after the public sector unions (after he ripped Walker for doing the same in WI) but I suspect it's more of a good cop, bad cop scenario. Madigan and Cullerton will never go along, and Quinn gets to look like he tried to fix the problem. The unions are never going to switch parties anyway, so everybody wins. Except the taxpayers of Illinois. Am I getting a little cynical?
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 01:24 PM   #15
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Interesting how Quinn seems to go after the public sector unions (after he ripped Walker for doing the same in WI) but I suspect it's more of a good cop, bad cop scenario. Madigan and Cullerton will never go along, and Quinn gets to look like he tried to fix the problem. The unions are never going to switch parties anyway, so everybody wins. Except the taxpayers of Illinois. Am I getting a little cynical?
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 06:47 PM   #16
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At $67,836, legislators in Illinois among best-paid in U.S.

Well, finally something where we don't rank at the bottom!

And they don't really have to scrape by on just $67k. They also get "overtime" pay of about 8k and many of them also get another 10k for committees they serve on.

I'm sure they deserve every penny. Look at the great job they have done serving the people of Illinois.

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Old Dec 4, 2012, 06:48 AM   #17
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Clearly they are dedicated public 'servants'.

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Old Dec 4, 2012, 02:06 PM   #18
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The political way here in Springfield is to have 20 people in the division with 3 who do anything. Another thing is to fire five people saving the state more than a quarter million dollars and giving all the work to one of those 3 people who takes on those tasks in a more successful way than the five people. Instead of hiring one person to help that person they hire four people creating new titles in other sections who will most likely waste the states money without giving that person saving this state money a marginal raise.

I have a friend who works for the house. He lets me know about the things these guys do on State property during session. He also let me know they don't have to abide by labor laws they put into effect. It's crazy.
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Old Dec 5, 2012, 01:34 PM   #19
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State Sen. Trotter charged with trying to bring weapon on a plane

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A South Side state senator and candidate for the 2nd Congressional District has been charged with a felony for allegedly attempting to bring a weapon onto a plane.

State Sen. Donne Trotter was charged Wednesday with one count of attempting to board an aircraft with a weapon, Cook County State’s Attorney’s office spokeswoman Tandra Simonton said.
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Old Dec 5, 2012, 02:16 PM   #20
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Not all that surprising that this might happen. There is only so much money to go around.

"Illinois Pensions Beyond Repair?"

http://blogs.the-american-interest.c...beyond-repair/

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In Illinois the pension crisis may be even worse than initially feared. The state legislature is finally beginning to look for solutions, but a new letter released by the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club suggests that the system can’t be salvaged. The group does recommend some drastic changes, but warns that many promised benefits will inevitably go unpaid. Chicago Business reports:
Specifically, the committee wants lawmakers to do four things: eliminate all cost-of-living increases for retirees or future retirees, cap pensions to a maximum salary, increase the retirement age to 67 and shift the cost of teacher pensions to local school districts over a 12-year period. The state now pays all teacher pensions except in Chicago, where city taxpayers pick up the tab.
Doing so will “minimize the long-term damage” that already has been done, Mr. Fahner says in his memo. “Unless each (of the four) is approved, nothing else legislators say or do will matter.”
Nonetheless, he adds, “it is no longer possible to preserve all state pension benefits as currently structured.”
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Old Dec 5, 2012, 05:27 PM   #21
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Sorry to all the people who worked their whole lives but we can give you what you're owed becuase you have to pay for countless others laziness or huge salaries within govt. Im not sayIng some people really can't provide for themselves but there is a reason we have a huge problem with immigration because there are jobs in the US.

Didn't read the article and jumped to conclusions. I'm all about taking care of the young, old, and disabled but all these souls who are fine physically is another issue. There is to much fraud going on in these programs and it's not fair people working 40-60 hour weeks have it harder than people defrauding these programs.

I'll say this about the health care I've received the last two years that has cost me a few thousands dollars and more from my insurance company. I talked to one doctor a total of 15 minutes in 7 visits and he explained absolutely nothing to me. It's all about volume of patients meaning more money for some of these doctors and not providing the information and proper care you need. It's not my fault some think their time is worth thousands of dollars an hour to mistreat, and under educate your patients. If I wanted to be a doctor and figure out things with my own work I'd of went to medical school. I didn't but these doctors who are treating me need to realize that it's not my fault they accrued a hundred thousand dollars of student loans than want to live in quater million dollar houses and drive at least 5 series BMW's right after getting out of school. Do what you pledged to do and help people get better.

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Old Dec 5, 2012, 06:30 PM   #22
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Defined Benefit pension plans are Stone Age relics. Defined Contribution plans should have been implemented throughout IL govt 20+ yrs ago.

This is what you get when the people writing the checks aren't the ones actually paying the bill.

The IL pension system is $85-215 billion underfunded depending on who you believe. A mind boggling number at even the low end.
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Old Dec 11, 2012, 01:30 PM   #23
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Illinois ban on concealed carry was ruled unconstitutional and they have one month to pass a conceal carry bill. It's about damn time!

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Old Dec 11, 2012, 05:48 PM   #24
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Illinois ban on concealed carry was ruled unconstitutional and they have one month to pass a conceal carry bill. It's about damn time!
True and untrue. They ruled the law unconstitutional, but stayed the ruling for 180 days.

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Old Dec 12, 2012, 02:51 AM   #25
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True and untrue. They ruled the law unconstitutional, but stayed the ruling for 180 days.
I think this is the end of the ban on concealed carry in Illinois. sure the state can, and probably will appeal it to SCOTUS. but with the way SCOTUS ruled on the handgun ban in D.C. and Chicago, I think they would uphold this ruling.
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