Former Villanova PG Ty Johnson to transfer to South Carolina

TCTORNADO · Dec 21, 2012, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by WesterveltVictoryCigar

The fact that he hasn't played means he still has 3 full seasons of eligibility, it doesn't affect when he's eligible to play at Illinois. NCAA rules clearly state an athlete must complete a full year residency at the new school before they are eligible. Since he's still been attending classes and practicing with his team at Villanova, that full year hasn't started yet.

We should find out where he's going pretty soon since he'll need to enroll for the spring semester at his new school.

TJ did practice with Nova this fall and appeared in a game (might have been exhibition), thus I'm thinking 2.5 years rather than 3. However as previously stated it would be 3 B1G plus tourney seasons.
But he does need to get enrolled quickly wherever he's going.

AlmostFamous79 · Dec 21, 2012, 11:17 AM

Getting a pg, especially one that was rated as high as Ty Johnson, would be a phenomenal get. I don't see other legit options out there for Illinois till maybe 2015. I guess if we stayed incredibly hot then a Jaquan Lyle might be in play. Larry Austin doesn't look to be a huge priority for Illinois, but I could be wrong.

I think we all know that we are going to have at least one defection, and probably two after this season, or potentially next week. I think the coaches have to be real with these two kids and let them know that they are not in their plans and that a transfer to a better situation with more PT is in everyone's best interest. Especially the players.

Sometimes in business, marriage, college, things don't work out and change is needed.
If I were MS I would look at transferring to a Depaul or UIC. Close to home and definitely will see the court at either of these places. If I were ID, I would look at maybe an Illinois St. or Bradley type situation. A low major I think for both guys would be a great way to get on the court for many meaningful minutes.

I don't think there is anything wrong with a coach telling two kids he didn't recruit that they are not a fit in his program. Then work together to find a more advantageous situation for the player. This is just honesty. Not Creaning.

RHITIllini · Dec 21, 2012, 11:51 AM

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RyanK · Dec 21, 2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RHITIllini

http://www.goupstate.com/article/201...975/-1/PSPORTS

Johnson visiting Sunday.

TCTORNADO · Dec 21, 2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanK

Johnson visiting Sunday.

Weather permitting!! Not good on the East Coast right now, but for a kid to make it to C/U this Sunday surely says he is seriously interested.

AlmostFamous79 · Dec 21, 2012, 12:16 PM

Ty Johnson visiting Sunday... I like it. If Illinois adds him is this therefore goodbye to ID??

RyanK · Dec 21, 2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AlmostFamous79

Ty Johnson visiting Sunday... I like it. If Illinois adds him is this therefore goodbye to ID??

The fact he's visiting makes me think someone is gone.

IlliniByProxy · Dec 21, 2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanK

The fact he's visiting makes me think someone is gone.

Agreed, I think we'll know a lot more after next Saturdays game.

Cool Hand Luke · Dec 21, 2012, 12:27 PM

I hope weather and scenery aren't factors for him. Central Illinois in the middle of a cold spell vs. South Carolina? Not pretty. Thankfully he's coming from NJ and not some warm state.

troyk · Dec 21, 2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke

I hope weather and scenery aren't factors for him. Central Illinois in the middle of a cold spell vs. South Carolina? Not pretty. Thankfully he's coming from NJ and not some warm state.

Colbert chose us over Miami.

Hugh Jorgen · Dec 21, 2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanK

Johnson visiting Sunday.

This is evidence of how important it was for Groce and his staff to have a surprise season...one where we exceeded expectations from the standpoint of the product looking good on the court and winning enough to get some national recognition in recruits eyes.

This start has been beyond all expectations so far, and it is no doubt capturing the attention of kids who Groce has been recruiting in the past, and kids in Johnson's situation who look at Illinois and say "wow, I can see how I could flourish in that system...and those guys are having fun."

I guess we'll see soon enough. Right now, I just want a big WIN Saturday.

Cool Hand Luke · Dec 21, 2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by troyk

Colbert chose us over Miami.

Yes he did.

Now let's hope weather isn't a deciding factor for Johnson.

Kramer116 · Dec 21, 2012, 12:56 PM

Basketball school vs football school.

I like our chances in this one, especially after how we started this season.

Illiniwek_2 · Dec 21, 2012, 12:58 PM

Well not saying anything new here but

Rivals #52 rated player for 2011, #11 point guard, 4 stars
Has had a year of NCAA experience to get over the freshman growing pains, will be physically a junior by the time he starts his next year of eligibility.

On paper it looks like he could turn out to be very good but of course some things don't pan out either. With our hopes for 2014 either on Lyle, Zabo, or Mitchell, Groce must have the best feel for the situation. imo if Ty Johnson wants to play at Illinois you take him.

illiniobserver22 · Dec 21, 2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanK

The fact he's visiting makes me think someone is gone.

There is a scholarship open right now. Nobody would have to leave until fall semester.

justsomedude · Dec 21, 2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanK

The fact he's visiting makes me think someone is gone.

Maybe, but they can take one on this year and still be in compliance.

URH Snyder 490 · Dec 21, 2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jorgen

This is evidence of how important it was for Groce and his staff to have a surprise season...one where we exceeded expectations from the standpoint of the product looking good on the court and winning enough to get some national recognition in recruits eyes.

This start has been beyond all expectations so far, and it is no doubt capturing the attention of kids who Groce has been recruiting in the past, and kids in Johnson's situation who look at Illinois and say "wow, I can see how I could flourish in that system...and those guys are having fun."

I guess we'll see soon enough. Right now, I just want a big WIN Saturday.

Well said

IlliniByProxy · Dec 21, 2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by illiniobserver22

There is a scholarship open right now. Nobody would have to leave until fall semester.

That is true, i hadn't thought about that. That would make more sense to me. I never understood why players choose to transfer mid-year and essentially forfeit a year or half a year of basketball (second half of first school's season, if they play before they transfer, and first half of the new school's season).

URH Snyder 490 · Dec 21, 2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by illiniobserver22

There is a scholarship open right now. Nobody would have to leave until fall semester.

Yes, interesting. I always wondered if IN THEORY a scenario like this happened at a school-

1. player transfers in taking an existing scholly
2. this means 1 more scholly given out than are available for the next season
3. no one leaves

Then what would happen? They'd have to yank a scholly from someone I suppose.

Just wondering out loud and not in any way saying this would happen here at any point. I'm assuming that things work out through natural player movement 99% of the time, at all schools, but I've always been curious about this.

TCTORNADO · Dec 21, 2012, 01:08 PM

If we do go into an "oversign" situation, this is just a hunch, that we offer a seldom used "medical exemption" (not redshirt) and allows the DIA to still pay for the athletes scholarship but yet it doesn't count against limits. Sort of a win/win for everybody. Early on @ SMU they used it on 3 guys and even BW used it once @ KSU.
We won't have to talk about it because of the medical privacy rights of the athlete. Alabama and other SEC teams have used it to Crean the poor performers.
We need to oversign first, right??

GilThorpe · Dec 21, 2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanK

The fact he's visiting makes me think someone is gone.

I agree. I bet something is announced in the next 10 days that someone on our roster is transferring out

popejackson · Dec 21, 2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke

I hope weather and scenery aren't factors for him. Central Illinois in the middle of a cold spell vs. South Carolina? Not pretty. Thankfully he's coming from NJ and not some warm state.

I stay around Columbia, SC and the weather is not so good there right now. It gets really cold and rainy for long spells in the winter time. It rained like all of this week.

justsomedude · Dec 21, 2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jules

When Tate was recruited, wasn't he told that we would not be recruiting any new point guards for next year? Just curious.

Villanova's athletic site calls Johnson a combo. Groce would likely say the same thing to Tate.

Also, I'm very, very excited that Tate is on board, however sometimes information is misconstrued as it's passed along. For example, there was an article in July stating Tate claimed an Illinois offer. Based on the fact that he jumped as soon as he received an offer in September, I think there was some miscommunication in that July article.

I'll trust Groce enough to understand the relationships he's built with all parties.

RHITIllini · Dec 21, 2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanK

The fact he's visiting makes me think someone is gone.

I think the coaches knew early on who would probably be looking elsewhere after the season.

illiniobserver22 · Dec 21, 2012, 01:36 PM

Johnson would maybe allow a redshirt of Tate, which would be good for his development.

Dec 21, 2012, 12:27 PM	#134
Cool Hand Luke Founder, Mike Thomas Fan Club Location: Tuscola, IL Posts: 709	I hope weather and scenery aren't factors for him. Central Illinois in the middle of a cold spell vs. South Carolina? Not pretty. Thankfully he's coming from NJ and not some warm state. __________________ "The freight train is moving. Either jump on or get off." - John Groce

Dec 21, 2012, 12:56 PM	#138
Kramer116 Location: Chicago Posts: 9,608	Basketball school vs football school. I like our chances in this one, especially after how we started this season. __________________ @TomCrean: I am doing great. I have been thinking about you alot since last weekend. A whole lot. How are you doing?

Dec 21, 2012, 11:17 AM	#127
AlmostFamous79 Posts: 176	Getting a pg, especially one that was rated as high as Ty Johnson, would be a phenomenal get. I don't see other legit options out there for Illinois till maybe 2015. I guess if we stayed incredibly hot then a Jaquan Lyle might be in play. Larry Austin doesn't look to be a huge priority for Illinois, but I could be wrong. I think we all know that we are going to have at least one defection, and probably two after this season, or potentially next week. I think the coaches have to be real with these two kids and let them know that they are not in their plans and that a transfer to a better situation with more PT is in everyone's best interest. Especially the players. Sometimes in business, marriage, college, things don't work out and change is needed. If I were MS I would look at transferring to a Depaul or UIC. Close to home and definitely will see the court at either of these places. If I were ID, I would look at maybe an Illinois St. or Bradley type situation. A low major I think for both guys would be a great way to get on the court for many meaningful minutes. I don't think there is anything wrong with a coach telling two kids he didn't recruit that they are not a fit in his program. Then work together to find a more advantageous situation for the player. This is just honesty. Not Creaning.

Dec 21, 2012, 11:51 AM	#128
RHITIllini Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,751	http://www.goupstate.com/article/201...975/-1/PSPORTS

Dec 21, 2012, 12:16 PM	#131
AlmostFamous79 Posts: 176	Ty Johnson visiting Sunday... I like it. If Illinois adds him is this therefore goodbye to ID??

Dec 21, 2012, 12:58 PM	#139
Illiniwek_2 Posts: 461	Well not saying anything new here but Rivals #52 rated player for 2011, #11 point guard, 4 stars Has had a year of NCAA experience to get over the freshman growing pains, will be physically a junior by the time he starts his next year of eligibility. On paper it looks like he could turn out to be very good but of course some things don't pan out either. With our hopes for 2014 either on Lyle, Zabo, or Mitchell, Groce must have the best feel for the situation. imo if Ty Johnson wants to play at Illinois you take him.

Dec 21, 2012, 01:08 PM	#145
TCTORNADO Posts: 1,778	If we do go into an "oversign" situation, this is just a hunch, that we offer a seldom used "medical exemption" (not redshirt) and allows the DIA to still pay for the athletes scholarship but yet it doesn't count against limits. Sort of a win/win for everybody. Early on @ SMU they used it on 3 guys and even BW used it once @ KSU. We won't have to talk about it because of the medical privacy rights of the athlete. Alabama and other SEC teams have used it to Crean the poor performers. We need to oversign first, right??

Dec 21, 2012, 01:36 PM	#150
illiniobserver22 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,402	Johnson would maybe allow a redshirt of Tate, which would be good for his development.