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Old Feb 8, 2017, 11:18 AM   #26
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Even if we go on a little bit of a run here, I just don't think this team passes the eye test. Blowout losses to WVU, Maryland, Purdue, Indiana won't look good to the committee, albeit that these are all superior teams. Tournament teams don't get routinely embarrassed even if the competition is better
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Old Feb 8, 2017, 11:29 AM   #27
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I don't believe we have shown any signs that we have the ability to be consistent enough to win 6 games in a row against any Big 10 level competition.
I did not say that. I said all six are winnable, I did not say they are guaranteed wins. For the short term, I will be happy just getting to two wins in a row on Saturday.
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Old Feb 8, 2017, 11:31 AM   #28
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Even if we go on a little bit of a run here, I just don't think this team passes the eye test. Blowout losses to WVU, Maryland, Purdue, Indiana won't look good to the committee, albeit that these are all superior teams. Tournament teams don't get routinely embarrassed even if the competition is better
I don't think that is true. There are lots of blowout games in the big dance every year, and not just in 1 v 16 or 2 v 15 games.
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Old Feb 8, 2017, 11:36 AM   #29
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I don't think that is true. There are lots of blowout games in the big dance every year, and not just in 1 v 16 or 2 v 15 games.
There might be blowouts in the tournament, but most tournament teams didn't get embarrassed time and again throughout the regular season as we have.
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Old Feb 8, 2017, 11:57 AM   #30
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There might be blowouts in the tournament, but most tournament teams didn't get embarrassed time and again throughout the regular season as we have.
Our 2013 team got in as a 7 seed despite being blown out a number of times. When you're talking about just making the field of 68, the bubble teams that make it all have some bad warts on their resume.
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Old Feb 8, 2017, 12:23 PM   #31
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Our 2013 team got in as a 7 seed despite being blown out a number of times. When you're talking about just making the field of 68, the bubble teams that make it all have some bad warts on their resume.
They also won the Maui Tournament and beat the following teams
#10 Gonzaga on the Road
#8 Ohio State
#1 Indiana

Not even remotely the same resume if they win out sadly
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Old Feb 8, 2017, 12:25 PM   #32
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They also won the Maui Tournament and beat the following teams
#10 Gonzaga on the Road
#8 Ohio State
#1 Indiana

Not even remotely the same resume if they win out sadly
Yeah, that's not the point.
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Old Feb 8, 2017, 12:35 PM   #33
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Yeah, that's not the point.
Explain your point please, all I am saying is that yes, all bubble teams have bad losses, but they also have quality wins like the 2013 team had. This years team has zero games to hang their hat on. Comparing the 2013 team to this years team is apple to oranges
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Old Feb 8, 2017, 12:38 PM   #34
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Explain your point please, all I am saying is that yes, all bubble teams have bad losses, but they also have quality wins like the 2013 team had. This years team has zero games to hang their hat on. Comparing the 2013 team to this years team is apple to oranges
Exactly, the 2013 team was NOT a bubble team. His point is not to compare to 2013, it is to compared to bubble teams.
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Old Feb 8, 2017, 12:40 PM   #35
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Exactly, the 2013 team was NOT a bubble team. His point is not to compare to 2013, it is to compared to bubble teams.
I read his comment wrong
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Old Feb 8, 2017, 02:50 PM   #36
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Explain your point please, all I am saying is that yes, all bubble teams have bad losses, but they also have quality wins like the 2013 team had. This years team has zero games to hang their hat on. Comparing the 2013 team to this years team is apple to oranges
I guess I think it's fairly simple if you read the post I responded to and quoted. Teams that get blown out do make the tournament, so that's really not a valid reason against this year's team. 2013 is not a perfect comparison, no, but I think it makes my point.
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Old Feb 8, 2017, 03:19 PM   #37
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I guess I think it's fairly simple if you read the post I responded to and quoted. Teams that get blown out do make the tournament, so that's really not a valid reason against this year's team. 2013 is not a perfect comparison, no, but I think it makes my point.
Far from perfect comparison. The 2012-13 team had 1 20+ point loss in 36 games. This year's team has three in 25 games including a 32 point whopper.
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Old Feb 9, 2017, 03:11 AM   #38
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If we make a run and can finish 9-9 in the B1G, that may well be enough to put us in a tie for 4th as balanced as the B1G is this year, although it could be as much as a seven-way tie (I haven't actually worked out that scenario but it would seem possible given that NW is currently in 4th at 7-4 with a tough schedule ahead). That with a win in the BTT and we have a real shot to get into the dance. Unlike S&C, I don't think that could possibly be a bad thing.
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Old Feb 9, 2017, 03:02 PM   #39
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I did not say that. I said all six are winnable, I did not say they are guaranteed wins. For the short term, I will be happy just getting to two wins in a row on Saturday.
I concur. We CAN win all of the games left on our schedule. However, there are no "give me's" in the B10 this year. It is reasonable to think we can win every remaining game. It is also highly likely we lose at least 2 (road games are the most likely, but any 2 in all honesty).
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Old Feb 9, 2017, 03:19 PM   #40
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I concur. We CAN win all of the games left on our schedule. However, there are no "give me's" in the B10 this year. It is reasonable to think we can win every remaining game. It is also highly likely we lose at least 2 (road games are the most likely, but any 2 in all honesty).
Will Ed Morrow be back in time for our game against Nebraska?
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Old Feb 9, 2017, 04:50 PM   #41
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Will Ed Morrow be back in time for our game against Nebraska?
Stories on Jan 11 said he would be out indefinitely.
They also said that he would be reevaluated in a week.
But I can't find a story since the re-val. So, who knows?
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Old Feb 9, 2017, 04:55 PM   #42
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Will Ed Morrow be back in time for our game against Nebraska?
Today our local paper said he has been practicing. I think he is doubtful for their tonight game vs Wisky. Its still 2 weeks from our game in Lincoln so hard to know.
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Old Feb 9, 2017, 06:41 PM   #43
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I don't think there's any way this team gets to 9-9
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Old Feb 9, 2017, 08:51 PM   #44
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Bless those of you who hold onto a chance of making the tourney. And also double bless those who think that think Groce has a shot at returning. You all really make this website fun.

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Old Feb 9, 2017, 09:26 PM   #45
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Bless those of you who hold onto a chance of making the tourney. And also double bless those who think that think Groce has a shot at returning. You all really make this website fun.
Where did you get your Crystal Ball again? You must be an insider to know all this info. lol
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Old Feb 9, 2017, 10:36 PM   #46
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I don't think there's any way this team gets to 9-9
Problem with that thinking is that there actually IS a way that this team can get to 9-9, at this point in time. Whether or not it actually happens...??? However, at this time, the way is not shut...

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Old Feb 9, 2017, 11:16 PM   #47
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I don't think there's any way this team gets to 9-9
There is a way, considering every game left on our schedule is very winnable. Still, 9-9 is not all that likely (I predict a 7-11 or 8-10 finish) and probably wouldn't get us into the tournament unless we made a nice run in the Big Ten tournament. If we take care of Penn State and win at Iowa (which might be our toughest game left on the schedule), then things could start to get a little interesting.
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Old Feb 10, 2017, 05:16 AM   #48
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Today our local paper said he has been practicing. I think he is doubtful for their tonight game vs Wisky. Its still 2 weeks from our game in Lincoln so hard to know.
He did end up playing last night.
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Old Feb 10, 2017, 08:48 AM   #49
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Problem with that thinking is that there actually IS a way that this team can get to 9-9, at this point in time. Whether or not it actually happens...??? However, at this time, the way is not shut...

Obviously it is possible mathematically, but I don't believe it is realistically
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Old Feb 10, 2017, 09:22 AM   #50
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Today our local paper said he has been practicing. I think he is doubtful for their tonight game vs Wisky. Its still 2 weeks from our game in Lincoln so hard to know.
Morrow played last night and didn't look too hampered in his movement.
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