Tresselgate - The lying and cheating of Jim Tressel and The Ohio State University

[Groundhogday]

Originally Posted by Alaskan Illini

It's being shown that Mr. Sweatervest appears to be of the same cloth as Pete Carroll . . .

Failing to live up to his ethical, professional, and contractual responsibilities are all reasons for instant termination. Top it off with the certification months later that he was not aware of any violations . . . . .

This should be the result - anything else makes a complete mockery of the NCAA system

From the article:

Sarniak, 67, is a prominent businessman in Pryor's hometown of Jeannette, Pa. He befriended the quarterback years ago and accompanied him on recruiting trips to Ohio State and other universities.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-footbal...terrelle-pryor

A 67-year-old business man befriends an 18-year-old high school football player?

More on Sarniak...
http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/...d-sarniak.html
http://lonelytailgater.com/uncategor...-for-life.html

[illinidarrin]

LOL, i dont know if this is true, but someone on another board said that someone spotted TP down in Miami driving a Bently. Apparently some OSU players are down in Miami for a few days as this was reported on a OSU board. like i said, i dont know if this is true, but if it is, TP is the biggest idiot ever because it would be pretty obvious that something very wrong is going on if he is driving a Bently.:laugh:

[Groundhogday]

Originally Posted by illinidarrin

LOL, i dont know if this is true, but someone on another board said that someone spotted TP down in Miami driving a Bently. Apparently some OSU players are down in Miami for a few days as this was reported on a OSU board. like i said, i dont know if this is true, but if it is, TP is the biggest idiot ever because it would be pretty obvious that something very wrong is going on if he is driving a Bently.:laugh:

I heard he was just test driving the Bently.

[illinidarrin]

Originally Posted by Groundhogday

I heard he was just test driving the Bently.

I am hoping this is true.

[illiniracers]

Originally Posted by Groundhogday

I heard he was just test driving the Bently.

Yeah the same dealership that let him test drive a vehicle home let him test drive one to Miami. :laugh:

[illinidarrin]

This is the thread

[illinicb]

I always forget the Dez Bryant suspension. How does JT get off without a full year suspension (at least) for doing the same thing that Bryant did? From the NCAA perspective, I don't know how you can not equate the two and treat them differently. If anything, What JT did is worse because he is coach.

[Oskeefan]

Originally Posted by illiniracers

Yeah the same dealership that let him test drive a vehicle home let him test drive one to Miami. :laugh:

What is the poor kid supposed to do - walk around Miami? :rolleyes:

[illinicb]

Originally Posted by illinidarrin

LOL, i dont know if this is true, but someone on another board said that someone spotted TP down in Miami driving a Bently. Apparently some OSU players are down in Miami for a few days as this was reported on a OSU board. like i said, i dont know if this is true, but if it is, TP is the biggest idiot ever because it would be pretty obvious that something very wrong is going on if he is driving a Bently.:laugh:

Even if not any kind of violation, it is "bad optics" as they say in politics. It is "WTF were you thinking??" as they say around the OSU football offices.

[illinicb]

The Winners Manual (no, it isn't a Charlie Sheen book)

www.thewinnersmanual.com

[illinicb]

What's a few broken rules between friends?

Quinnipiac poll

"Perhaps losing to Michigan might hurt his popularity, but not the rules violations he has acknowledged,"

[DaytonIllini]

Originally Posted by illinicb

Not sure what offense you feel is trivial. I think the selling of merchandise is trivial (although breaking the rules is still breaking the rules), but I don't think the lying and covering things up is trivial at all (putting aside the moral/ethical issues), but because he did lie and gained a competitive advantage and because there is documentation of his transgressions, I think he certainly should be toast and I'm guessing the NCAA will not take it lightly. OSU lost the opportunity to act although adding the games that Tressel is suspended for is effectively a public negotiation with the NCAA to try and appease them.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Yep that is what I said. The selling of the stuff was trivial and nonsensical IMO. The lying about it was ridiculous. Stupid. The cover up is almost always worse than the crime.

[Alaskan Illini]

Originally Posted by illinidarrin

This is the thread

My GAWD the color scheme on that site sux . . . :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[illinidarrin]

Doubt this happens but...

[Groundhogday]

Originally Posted by illinidarrin

Doubt this happens but...

The only way Tressel is fired is if more information comes out with the investigation. That could certainly happen, but he doesn't get fired for what has been made public so far.

[BexleyIllini]

Originally Posted by Groundhogday

The only way Tressel is fired is if more information comes out with the investigation. That could certainly happen, but he doesn't get fired for what has been made public so far.

I live in Columbus, and I think GHD's comment is accurate. The vast majority of OSU fans care more about winning games than honest play, ethics, etc. Most of them really don't think Tressel's lies, info withholding, or play of ineligible players is any big deal. Now, on the other hand, if it came to light that Michigan were cheating in the 90's when they dominated OSU, they would be screaming bloody murder 24/7/365.

Columbus is a good town to live in, but dealing with the Buckeye fans and the media is the biggest downside.......

[gandalf]

On Tresselgate -

From someone who should know:

http://www.conquestchronicles.com/20...on-jim-tressel

"I just thought the world of him ... " Ray said. "I would assume he's certainly been a very positive influence on many of the players that he had. But this whole episode to me is beyond the pale. It's totally unacceptable ..."

The NCAA has not yet ruled on Tressel's transgression, and Ray emphasized that he was speaking for himself only. But on how NCAA enforcement officials might view Tressel's case, Ray said, "If I were in their position, I'd be a hanging judge.""

[Groundhogday]

Oregon State president Ed Ray, chairman of the NCAA's Executive Committee:

"I think there are lines you don't cross in your own life.... I'm not a big mercy guy. I'm not a big understander of extenuating circumstances. We all sort of engage in thinking about situational ethics. But I'm kinda old-school. And I think you're either ethical or you're not ethical."

Oregonean

As a VP and Provost at Ohio State, Ray helped hire Tressel.

[AlamoIllini]

...We all sort of engage in thinking about situational ethics. But I'm kinda old-school. And I think you're either ethical or you're not ethical."

http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefoo...state_pre.html

It is easy to get skeptical with big time sports today, where everything appears not to be black or white, but gray. Nice, with all the PC pressure in academia, to see someone, who apparently hasn't been neutered, and still has a set in his pants to speak out.

As a side note, I saw that one of the individuals involved in the ticket scandal at KU is getting 4 years of jail time. Didn't think the hammer would come down that hard?

AI

[NV Illini 74]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...r-spring-games

CBS' Dennis Dodd and Darrin Darst argue Tressel's status.

Both figure NCAA will up Tressel's penalty to a minimum of 1 full year's suspension.

Dodd then argues OSU will fire Tressel because he is away from the team a year, and it would look bad if he were to come back.

Darst argues Tressel will be allowed back, because OSU doesn't think much of the transgressions, and they want a winner more than cleanliness.

[BexleyIllini]

Originally Posted by NV Illini 74

[url]http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball

Dodd then argues OSU will fire Tressel because he is away from the team a year, and it would look bad if he were to come back.

Darst argues Tressel will be allowed back, because OSU doesn't think much of the transgressions, and they want a winner more than cleanliness.

I agree with Darst. Most Buckeye fans care more about winning games than integrity. Now, if someone else cheated them, they would cry foul. That's just the way things are in C-town.

[illinicb]

Originally Posted by NV Illini 74

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...r-spring-games

CBS' Dennis Dodd and Darrin Darst argue Tressel's status.

Both figure NCAA will up Tressel's penalty to a minimum of 1 full year's suspension.

Dodd then argues OSU will fire Tressel because he is away from the team a year, and it would look bad if he were to come back.

Darst argues Tressel will be allowed back, because OSU doesn't think much of the transgressions, and they want a winner more than cleanliness.

The question I would have is if he is gone fore year, what does that mean? Is he just not coaching on game days? Is he still able to recruit? Still able to run practices?

[Groundhogday]

Originally Posted by illinicb

The question I would have is if he is gone fore year, what does that mean? Is he just not coaching on game days? Is he still able to recruit? Still able to run practices?

No kidding. If they only ban his appearance on the sideline, that isn't such a big deal. If he can't have anything to do with the team for a year -- recruiting, game planning, etc...--that is a very big deal.

[illinicb]

Originally Posted by Groundhogday

that is a very big deal.

And a very expensive one if he continued getting paid. I assume if the NCAA hit them with that hammer, there would be a clause in the contract to terminate him, but after the O'Brien matter, who knows?

[DaytonIllini]

Originally Posted by illinicb

The question I would have is if he is gone fore year, what does that mean? Is he just not coaching on game days? Is he still able to recruit? Still able to run practices?

Originally Posted by Groundhogday

No kidding. If they only ban his appearance on the sideline, that isn't such a big deal. If he can't have anything to do with the team for a year -- recruiting, game planning, etc...--that is a very big deal.

Originally Posted by illinicb

And a very expensive one if he continued getting paid. I assume if the NCAA hit them with that hammer, there would be a clause in the contract to terminate him, but after the O'Brien matter, who knows?

Has any coach ever been banned?