Ohio State 89, Illinois 70 POSTGAME

CrazedUIFan · Feb 24, 2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HeartofaChampion

I think another poster mentioned this already, but if MD had brought the same effort, focus and energy in BT play to our non-conference games, and DMac hadn't let himself get out of shape over Christmas break and lost some of his focus in practice in January and thus gone into a 5- or 6-game slide, we'd probably have gone at least 11-2 in non-conf games and be maybe 10-5 in the BT right now. A 21-7 record with more marquee wins and 2-3 fewer bad losses and we'd be fighting for a 4 seed and getting placed in the Chicago regional. I know what if, but who would have expected McCamey to bottom out in January/early February and MD to be so flat and uninspired as a senior in December when you'd think he'd be fighting for his hoops future and to "leave a legacy" at UI with a great senior season?

This really it in a nutshell as to why it's a frustrating season.

4LaCosaNostra · Feb 24, 2011, 02:43 PM

the dmac out of shape thing is weird as well... first off i did not see him over the last 4 years asking to come out of games cuz of fatigue and second iirc coach price said basically when he takes his shirt off he could be in a P90X commerical....!!!!!!

so maybe it is just his particalur build/frame and he is in shape just thicker body type. idk, but i dont think he is out of shape fwiw

CrazedUIFan · Feb 24, 2011, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 4LaCosaNostra

the dmac out of shape thing is weird as well... first off i did not see him over the last 4 years asking to come out of games cuz of fatigue and second iirc coach price said basically when he takes his shirt off he could be in a P90X commerical....!!!!!!

so maybe it is just his particalur build/frame and he is in shape just thicker body type. idk, but i dont think he is out of shape fwiw

I was at the Iowa game on Dec. 29th. I thought he was sick because he asked out of the game several times. I seriously thought when I got home I would read about him being sick.

4LaCosaNostra · Feb 24, 2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazedUIFan

I was at the Iowa game on Dec. 29th. I thought he was sick because he asked out of the game several times. I seriously thought when I got home I would read about him being sick.

hmmm, well he has averaged over 30 minutes for four straight years

I just dont see him getting tired and asking but i believe you.. so much is asked of him and he probably should be tired. im not defending or aurgering just pointing out he is in shape, just bigger body frame (coaches mouth)

CrazedUIFan · Feb 24, 2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 4LaCosaNostra

hmmm, well he has averaged over 30 minutes for four straight years

I just dont see him getting tired and asking but i believe you.. so much is asked of him and he probably should be tired. im not defending or aurgering just pointing out he is in shape, just bigger body frame (coaches mouth)

I am not saying he is out of shape. I just know what I saw. I actually sent a text to a friend during the game and asked if they had said he was ill. Being in a game at Iowa, they were very good seats.

jmontgo3 · Feb 24, 2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SaltLife

It was more than just a goal. Weber has said (per Klee) that he thought his team could contend for a Big Ten championship which usually is accompanied by a top ten rating as well and get a high seed in NCAA. With the team failing to become a contender, Weber has consequently now expressed his immense disappointment with the team's performance and cited them as underachieving. That is the point, Weber believed early on and still believes his team could have had much greater success and reached their potential if not for their underachieving, disappointing play (Regardless of what you want to read into Weber's comments, projecting and reading his mind).

I'm not projecting or reading his mind, I'm just interpreting what he said and when he said it. If you have a problem with his assesment of the team, that's fine, but what would you have preferred he do? Say we're a team closer in talent to PSU and will be lucky to make the tournament? I have no problem with a coach attempting to motivate his team.

illinidrsd39 · Feb 24, 2011, 05:15 PM

If a team is not driving to the basket or setting picks to get to the basket then they don't get many fouls. You don't get many fouls passing the ball around the perimeter.
The Illini are at their best when they drive or pass inside to Davis and JRich and then kick it back out to the perimeter for the open shot. Driving is part of getting to the line but in my opinion our offense is best when it mixes up the drive and the perimeter shot. Its probably not as easy to do as it looks.

OrangeFever · Feb 24, 2011, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HeartofaChampion

I think another poster mentioned this already, but if MD had brought the same effort, focus and energy in BT play to our non-conference games, and DMac hadn't let himself get out of shape over Christmas break and lost some of his focus in practice in January and thus gone into a 5- or 6-game slide, we'd probably have gone at least 11-2 in non-conf games and be maybe 10-5 in the BT right now. A 21-7 record with more marquee wins and 2-3 fewer bad losses and we'd be fighting for a 4 seed and getting placed in the Chicago regional. I know what if, but who would have expected McCamey to bottom out in January/early February and MD to be so flat and uninspired as a senior in December when you'd think he'd be fighting for his hoops future and to "leave a legacy" at UI with a great senior season?

Lots of "if's" in there, for sure. These seniors could be called the "IF Class".

PointGuardU01 · Feb 24, 2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeFever

Lots of "if's" in there, for sure. These seniors could be called the "IF Class".

the 'IF' class...yea that's about right..so far anyways

HeartofaChampion · Feb 24, 2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 4LaCosaNostra

hmmm, well he has averaged over 30 minutes for four straight years

I just dont see him getting tired and asking but i believe you.. so much is asked of him and he probably should be tired. im not defending or aurgering just pointing out he is in shape, just bigger body frame (coaches mouth)

McCamey gained about 10 pounds over Christmas break according to a team source. You could see him lose a step on his attempts to dribble drive in BT games.

weasel88 · Feb 24, 2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HeartofaChampion

McCamey gained about 10 pounds over Christmas break according to a team source. You could see him lose a step on his attempts to dribble drive in BT games.

I have a tough time believing this. Christmas break couldn't have meant more than a few days without practices, so he would have to really be forcing down the sweet potatos and glazed ham to put on that kind of weight in the middle of the season.

HeartofaChampion · Feb 24, 2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by weasel88

I have a tough time believing this. Christmas break couldn't have meant more than a few days without practices, so he would have to really be forcing down the sweet potatos and glazed ham to put on that kind of weight in the middle of the season.

I was told he weighed in about 10 pounds heavier than he was at earlier in the season. Some of it he might have gained in late November and December. Bottom line is he got heavier and lost a step. He seems a bit quicker now, having worked himself back in shape.

DaytonIllini · Feb 25, 2011, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeFever

Lots of "if's" in there, for sure. These seniors could be called the "IF Class".

I like it! Generation IF

Feb 24, 2011, 02:43 PM	#277
4LaCosaNostra Location: schaumburg Posts: 3,442	the dmac out of shape thing is weird as well... first off i did not see him over the last 4 years asking to come out of games cuz of fatigue and second iirc coach price said basically when he takes his shirt off he could be in a P90X commerical....!!!!!! so maybe it is just his particalur build/frame and he is in shape just thicker body type. idk, but i dont think he is out of shape fwiw

Feb 24, 2011, 05:15 PM	#282
illinidrsd39 Posts: 12	If a team is not driving to the basket or setting picks to get to the basket then they don't get many fouls. You don't get many fouls passing the ball around the perimeter. The Illini are at their best when they drive or pass inside to Davis and JRich and then kick it back out to the perimeter for the open shot. Driving is part of getting to the line but in my opinion our offense is best when it mixes up the drive and the perimeter shot. Its probably not as easy to do as it looks.