John Groce's Illini Coaching Staff - Dustin Ford, Paris Parham, Jamall Walker

BrooksTaylorFan · Jun 25, 2012, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by illini73

My money is on Coleman, with Deon being the underdog who gets the job.

I hope it's Coleman too. After seeing the kids he got to visit Nebraska already, I would love to have him back in-state.

illbasketfan · Jun 25, 2012, 09:52 AM

Coleman is a good guy but what guys did he bring to Nebraska

NnannasBananas11 · Jun 25, 2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by illbasketfan

Coleman is a good guy but what guys did he bring to Nebraska

He came with Tim Miles to Nebraska, so as far as I know, taking him would be similar to Marquette taking Chew from us. I don't think he has gotten any commitments yet.

BrooksTaylorFan · Jun 25, 2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by illbasketfan

Coleman is a good guy but what guys did he bring to Nebraska

A few months ago, he got Jahlil Okafor, Russell Woods, Sterling Brown, Kyle Davis, Xavier Taylor, & Josh Cunnigham to visit Nebraska. Those are the names I remember off the top of my head. Please correct me if I am wrong.

illinisc · Jun 25, 2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NnannasBananas11

He came with Tim Miles to Nebraska, so as far as I know, taking him would be similar to Marquette taking Chew from us. I don't think he has gotten any commitments yet.

Technically he doesn't have any commitments because he's not an assistant coach and holds an administrative position with Nebraska. He was instrumental in bringing Jermaine Morgan to CSU.

Groundhogday · Jun 25, 2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by illinisc

Technically he doesn't have any commitments because he's not an assistant coach and holds an administrative position with Nebraska. He was instrumental in bringing Jermaine Morgan to CSU.

The question is, who could he realistically deliver from the fire to Illinois?

IlliniJim20 · Jun 25, 2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BrooksTaylorFan

A few months ago, he got Jahlil Okafor, Russell Woods, Sterling Brown, Kyle Davis, Xavier Taylor, & Josh Cunnigham to visit Nebraska. Those are the names I remember off the top of my head. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I like Ron Coleman. Did some great things at Whitney Young, and with the Fire. Big concern that he went from Sophomore coach to college assistant at CSU in one year. Not a lot of college experience, not a long track record of landing chicago guys

BrooksTaylorFan · Jun 25, 2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

The question is, who could he realistically deliver from the fire to Illinois?

I like his recent ties to both the Fire program and Whitney Young. He's also trained NBA players such as Shawn Marion, working with him the previous season before he won his title with the Mavs. Seems like he would help us with both recruiting and player development.

BrooksTaylorFan · Jun 25, 2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by IlliniJim20

I like Ron Coleman. Did some great things at Whitney Young, and with the Fire. Big concern that he went from Sophomore coach to college assistant at CSU in one year. Not a lot of college experience, not a long track record of landing chicago guys

Very true, but he has a tremendous upside. We already have two solid assistant's in Ford and Williams. I would love to see Groce take a chance and go with Coleman. I know being a Chicago guy is a bit overrated, but it certainly can't hurt having those types of connections.

illbasketfan · Jun 25, 2012, 10:49 AM

Again great guy really good with wy soph. team but J.Morgan never had the grades to play in hs. Those fire kids the ones that Nebraska offered beside Sterling Brown non of those guys can play in the Big Ten. Jahlil is out of the question for them. Coleman has a close relationship with the Fire that's good but everybody in the Chicago doesn't play for that Club team. We need a guy who can reach out to all the programs, which is why i stood behind my original candidate. Parham

PeoriaChief · Jun 25, 2012, 11:30 AM

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Again great guy really good with wy soph. team but J.Morgan never had the grades to play in hs. Those fire kids the ones that Nebraska offered beside Sterling Brown non of those guys can play in the Big Ten. Jahlil is out of the question for them. Coleman has a close relationship with the Fire that's good but everybody in the Chicago doesn't play for that Club team. We need a guy who can reach out to all the programs, which is why i stood behind my original candidate. Parham

Kyle Davis is top 100 and rising.

Dan · Jun 25, 2012, 11:34 AM

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Confirmed with a source at Illinois that #Nebrasketball's Ron "Chin" Coleman is "a legitimate candidate" for the Illini asst. coach opening.

http://twitter.com/RobinWashut

Botb9 · Jun 25, 2012, 11:38 AM

From a Chew to a Chin, eh?

Groundhogday · Jun 25, 2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PeoriaChief

Kyle Davis is top 100 and rising.

But there is a good chance we could sign Davis without Coleman.

justsomedude · Jun 25, 2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bradford_illini

Klee has been all over this coach search, must be tight with new staff. On radio said Robinson Parham Coleman interviewd not a bad list

I agree he's been all over it, but he's also said the candidates have been calling him and it's not a Mike Thomas or Dustin Ford or Jamal Walker or Paul Klee thing, it's a John Groce thing. I think Klee has by far the best relationship with the staff of anyone providing info, but I just think Groce is keeping this one somewhat close to the vest.

justsomedude · Jun 25, 2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

The question is, who could he realistically deliver from the fire to Illinois?

Honestly, this is why I'd be very happy with Chin. John Groce seems very calculated and has a definitive plan. I think he realizes a lot of the positives that some of his alternatives would bring, and if you really get past the big 3 with the Fire, you only have a couple guys that he's unsure of. Most of our 14 and 15 targets play for other programs.

I feel like if he makes this hire, he's assessed that it will either

A) Give him a legitimate shot at Okafor or Cliff (I doubt Parker cares much)

B) Locks up Kyle Davis or Schilling (and he must really want them).

If he doesn't give a lot in that way, it would be tough to pick him over Robinson, Deon or Paris in my view.

STLINI · Jun 25, 2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NnannasBananas11

He came with Tim Miles to Nebraska, so as far as I know, taking him would be similar to Marquette taking Chew from us. I don't think he has gotten any commitments yet.

How is it the same? Coleman would be going from an administrative job to an assistant coaching position. That's a step up. He wouldn't be taking the same position as he has at Nebraska.

If I'm wrong, someone can correct me.

NnannasBananas11 · Jun 25, 2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by STLINI

How is it the same? Coleman would be going from an administrative job to an assistant coaching position. That's a step up. He wouldn't be taking the same position as he has at Nebraska.

If I'm wrong, someone can correct me.

That's my mistake. I didn't do my research and just assumed he was an asst.

Railsplitter · Jun 25, 2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Botb9

From a Chew to a Chin, eh?

Nothing quite like chin music .

PeoriaChief · Jun 25, 2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

But there is a good chance we could sign Davis without Coleman.

Not my point. I was responding to him saying "besides Sterling Brown none of those guys can play in the Big Ten."

illinisc · Jun 25, 2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

The question is, who could he realistically deliver from the fire to Illinois?

Hard to tell at this point but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt with everyone we're going after. My guess is that it could really help with guys like Sterling Brown and Gavin Schilling. Who knows what impact it could make with Jabari Parker and Okafor.

Foo G · Jun 25, 2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by illinisc

Hard to tell at this point but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt with everyone we're going after. My guess is that it could really help with guys like Sterling Brown and Gavin Schilling. Who knows what impact it could make with Jabari Parker and Okafor.

Maybe instead of "No way", it becomes "No thanks."

HeartofaChampion · Jun 25, 2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Foo G

Maybe instead of "No way", it becomes "No thanks."

+1. Very skeptical that any asst hire would sway a JP or JO or Alexander to UI. Besides, JG's #1 criteria for assts seems to be coaching skills. This is based on what I've been told about his emphasis on player development. Chew was probably hired for recruiting ability and connections more than anything, but JW and DF are both very good teachers (I'm told) who excel at instructing players and helping them develop the skills they need to perform in JG's system. They're also both teachers who emphasize the positive (JW more so than DF, who's more reserved, I'm told, but still similar philosophies to JG). They also are both young enough to relate to the players at some level.

I'm sure JG will hire an asst who can recruit -- that's a must. But I'd be surprised if he hires someone who doesn't have experience or a solid handle on player instruction and probably scouting and game prep, too.

Groundhogday · Jun 25, 2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by illinisc

Hard to tell at this point but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt with everyone we're going after. My guess is that it could really help with guys like Sterling Brown and Gavin Schilling. Who knows what impact it could make with Jabari Parker and Okafor.

If Chin can't land one of the big fish, I don't see the point of this hire.

DaytonIllini · Jun 25, 2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

If Chin can't land one of the big fish, I don't see the point of this hire.

That seems like an awful high bar for any hire. If he can teach, get along with Groce, evaluate talent, and recruit, I'd be fine with it.

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Botb9 Realist Posts: 3,155	From a Chew to a Chin, eh? __________________ Hype is a self-serving beast that feeds on the hopes and dreams of fans.

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illbasketfan Posts: 122	Coleman is a good guy but what guys did he bring to Nebraska

Jun 25, 2012, 10:49 AM	#2135
illbasketfan Posts: 122	Again great guy really good with wy soph. team but J.Morgan never had the grades to play in hs. Those fire kids the ones that Nebraska offered beside Sterling Brown non of those guys can play in the Big Ten. Jahlil is out of the question for them. Coleman has a close relationship with the Fire that's good but everybody in the Chicago doesn't play for that Club team. We need a guy who can reach out to all the programs, which is why i stood behind my original candidate. Parham