2012 St. Louis Cardinals Topic

[carmelillini]

Originally Posted by wpr

I will be there with my wife on Wed.

Good for you guys. Wear lots of red.

[dgcrow]

Originally Posted by carmelillini

They did.

Yep. Now on to Chicago!

[wpr]

Originally Posted by carmelillini

Good for you guys. Wear lots of red.

I will have a throw back Stan jersey.





My wife will probably have Brock white.

[bmb777]

as much as we love going to Cardinals games, we wouldve loved to have been at Scottrade Center for game 5 on Saturday night when Blues clinched their first round series. Hockey is so much fun to watch in person. its so-so to watch on tv, but a blast in person.

[carmelillini]

Former Redbird, Joe Mather, gets the walk off game winning hit. Damn Cubs.
Oh well, grab the next two.

[DrewD007]

Barf. Really questioning why Matheny deciding to take Garcia out when he did, but I probably would've gone with Motte in the 9th anyways.

[carmelillini]

Motte needs another go to pitch besides just humming fastballs at 97 mph. They're starting to figure him out. Need Dunc to work with him.

[DrewD007]

Thanks umps! Two blown calls cost us the game. Ugh. Games like today make me really hope the expand instant replay.

Tyler Greene should've at least knocked the ball down and kept it in front of him though. Still pissed about the umps.

[fish48]

Originally Posted by DrewD007

Thanks umps! Two blown calls cost us the game. Ugh. Games like today make me really hope the expand instant replay.

Tyler Greene should've at least knocked the ball down and kept it in front of him though. Still pissed about the umps.

Part of the game. You can't water down the game by making every play instant replay. Turns everything into a gimmick. Baseball is slow enough the way it is! Leave it alone! You guys won the frickin World Series with the game the way it is, no need to complain just because of one tough loss during the regular season.

[dgcrow]

Originally Posted by DrewD007

Thanks umps! Two blown calls cost us the game. Ugh. Games like today make me really hope the expand instant replay.

Tyler Greene should've at least knocked the ball down and kept it in front of him though. Still pissed about the umps.

Totally agree. Getting the calls right would not "water down the game" or "turn everything into a gimmick". Blown calls should never determine the outcome of a game, and replays of the few close and critical calls during a game would be more than worth the brief delay.

[IlliniSteve]

Can't blame the umps for scoring only 2 runs against one of the worst teams in baseball. You guys talk like we're so !!!!ty, then beat us like it. We get calls go against us all the time, it's part of the game, deal with it.

[dgcrow]

Originally Posted by IlliniSteve

Can't blame the umps for scoring only 2 runs against one of the worst teams in baseball. You guys talk like we're so !!!!ty, then beat us like it. We get calls go against us all the time, it's part of the game, deal with it.

What is wrong with using modern technology to improve the game? Extended replay would work against teams (including the Cardinals) as well as for them -- but at least the game would be determined by what actually takes place on the field. Make replays part of the game -- that's how to "deal with it".

[bmb777]

Originally Posted by DrewD007

Thanks umps! Two blown calls cost us the game. Ugh. Games like today make me really hope the expand instant replay.

Tyler Greene should've at least knocked the ball down and kept it in front of him though. Still pissed about the umps.

yes instant replay should be expanded. I know people say let them play the game, ups are human, they make mistakes, but let them play the game. I'd rather the calls be right, instead of just saying umps make mistakes, they are human, keep playing. if there had been instant replay in 1985, Cardinals, not Royals would have been world series champs.

football replays critical plays. so does hockey, and even basketball sometimes. so baseball should as well. even tennis has some instant replay.

[bmb777]

Originally Posted by fish48

Part of the game. You can't water down the game by making every play instant replay. Turns everything into a gimmick. Baseball is slow enough the way it is! Leave it alone! You guys won the frickin World Series with the game the way it is, no need to complain just because of one tough loss during the regular season.

sorry but being sure the calls are RIGHT is more important than saying it waters down the game.

[dgcrow]

Originally Posted by bmb777

sorry but being sure the calls are RIGHT is more important than saying it waters down the game.

Agreed. Blown calls should not be "part of the game" when there is now the means available to eliminate at least most of them.

[AHSIllini32]

Originally Posted by dgcrow

Agreed. Blown calls should not be "part of the game" when there is now the means available to eliminate at least most of them.

They have means in the NFL to replay all penalties that are called, should they do that too to eliminate blown calls? No, because that's ridiculous.

You lost because you didn't score any runs, or at least enough runs, off our average AT BEST bullpen. Deal with it and quit crying like babies.

Did the umps cause rzepchinaksiritksi or whatever his name is to give up a bomb to LaHair too?

Oh and P.S. the first call wasn't a blown call.

[NorthwesternIllini4]

Very exciting win for the Cubs, but a tough loss for the Cards. As a die-hard Cubs fan, this season will be tough to get through so I'm going to enjoy these wins while I can. The Cards, despite these two losses, will be just fine (especially when Berkman gets healthy). The Cubs got a two lucky calls, but blown calls from umps tend to balance out throughout the season.

With regard to the replay debate, there is absolutely no reason for baseball not to adopt expanded replay use. They've begun it with reviewing home runs, and now it's time to get rid of the antiquated notion of umpires. A shining example of the need for replay was the (im)perfect game thrown by Armando Galarraga that never was, due to a blown call. I'm sure they could institute a system (like in the NFL) that has limited use of replay at each manager's discretion, which would minimize the delay due to review.

I appreciate the historical aspect of baseball, and love the sport as much as anyone, but it's time for the game to join the 21st Century (technologically speaking).

[IlliniAmy]

I just figure MLB gave the Cubs a handicap - a 29-man roster.

[dgcrow]

Originally Posted by AHSIllini32

They have means in the NFL to replay all penalties that are called, should they do that too to eliminate blown calls? No, because that's ridiculous.

You lost because you didn't score any runs, or at least enough runs, off our average AT BEST bullpen. Deal with it and quit crying like babies.

Did the umps cause rzepchinaksiritksi or whatever his name is to give up a bomb to LaHair too?

Oh and P.S. the first call wasn't a blown call.

The name is Rzepczynski. Stop ridiculing his name and thereby bigoting his nationality. (By the way, it was not us Cardinals fans who didn't score enough runs, but the team. What's "ridiculous" is blaming Cardinal posters for the lack of runs.) Suggesting obvious ways of improving the game (which would mean blown calls in favor of the Cardinals would also be reveresed) is anything but "ridiculous" or "crying like babies".

[bdutts]

Originally Posted by DrewD007

Thanks umps! Two blown calls cost us the game. Ugh. Games like today make me really hope the expand instant replay.

Tyler Greene should've at least knocked the ball down and kept it in front of him though. Still pissed about the umps.

Greene's pretty lucky because if Campana was sliding feet first, he probably would have some sort of ankle injury.

The blown calls were bad no doubt. They will even out over the course of the year. Having said that, I'm all for increasing the role of instant replay in MLB.

[bmb777]

Originally Posted by AHSIllini32

They have means in the NFL to replay all penalties that are called, should they do that too to eliminate blown calls? No, because that's ridiculous.

You lost because you didn't score any runs, or at least enough runs, off our average AT BEST bullpen. Deal with it and quit crying like babies.

Did the umps cause rzepchinaksiritksi or whatever his name is to give up a bomb to LaHair too?

Oh and P.S. the first call wasn't a blown call.

I dont think anyone on here is saying Cardinals lost due only to the umps. what we are saying is that baseball should have replay to review calls that directly affect the game. a guy striking out with one runner on base and losing by 4 on a questionable call really will not affect the outcome. a grand slam that puts the team ahead by 1 but might have been foul or might not have cleared the wall would affect the outcome of the game.

get off your soap box. if the circumstances were reversed you would be saying baseball should have instant replay. if you say you wouldnt then you are just being dishonest.

[carmelillini]

Glad the Birds avoided the sweep today.

[wpr]

Originally Posted by carmelillini

Glad the Birds avoided the sweep today.

It was cold, windy and raining at times but I had a good time with my wife out in the roof top seats. I know ilphotog likes pictures so I took a few. I am tired so I will post them tomorrow or Friday. I have been to a couple of places on the right field side. This was was on Waveland beyond the left field wall. It was very enjoyable.

The bonus of the day was both my kids managed to make the game as well. We met up in front of the fire station on Waveland after the game.

[wpr]

Originally Posted by AHSIllini32

They have means in the NFL to replay all penalties that are called, should they do that too to eliminate blown calls? No, because that's ridiculous.

You lost because you didn't score any runs, or at least enough runs, off our average AT BEST bullpen. Deal with it and quit crying like babies.

Did the umps cause rzepchinaksiritksi or whatever his name is to give up a bomb to LaHair too?

Oh and P.S. the first call wasn't a blown call.

Danny Murtaugh was the manager of some pretty good Pirate teams in the 60s and 70s including the World Series winners in 1960 & 1971. He said every team is going to win 1/3 of their games. Every team is going to lose 1/3 of their games. It is what a team does with the middle 1/3 of their games that makes a difference. (Later repeated by Tommy Lasorda.)

With that said the difference between and first place club and a last place club in the major leagues is not very much. Certainly St has a better team on paper than the Cubs. But no team no matter how great they are can afford to give the other team no matter how weak they are 4 or more outs.

Typically the extra outs are the fault of the team in the field (usually errors. Some times a base hit or a walk to a weaker batter. Maybe throwing to the wrong base.) If the team makes the mistake and allows the hitting team extra chances they deserve what they get. When the officials make the mistake it is wrong. This is not whining it is a mistake by the umpire.

Since the technology is available MLB should utilize it. It would not slow the game down that much. It doesn't when they review the home run calls. Case in point would be the officials reviewing a play and calling a runner out that was originally ruled safe. That is one less out that needs to be made and the inning could actually be over sooner than if they didn't have the 3-5 minute delay for the review.

I realize this would somehow taint the cub win the other day so you will pout and stomp and rant that it is simply because it went against the Cardinals. That is not the case. I have been in favor of replays for several years. We simply happen to be talking about it here and now because so many of us were watching the recent games. We could have discussed it on the mlb thread about something that happened between the Mariners and A's but very few of us would have seen them play.

[dgcrow]

Originally Posted by wpr

Danny Murtaugh was the manager of some pretty good Pirate teams in the 60s and 70s including the World Series winners in 1960 & 1971. He said every team is going to win 1/3 of their games. Every team is going to lose 1/3 of their games. It is what a team does with the middle 1/3 of their games that makes a difference. (Later repeated by Tommy Lasorda.)

With that said the difference between and first place club and a last place club in the major leagues is not very much. Certainly St has a better team on paper than the Cubs. But no team no matter how great they are can afford to give the other team no matter how weak they are 4 or more outs.

Typically the extra outs are the fault of the team in the field (usually errors. Some times a base hit or a walk to a weaker batter. Maybe throwing to the wrong base.) If the team makes the mistake and allows the hitting team extra chances they deserve what they get. When the officials make the mistake it is wrong. This is not whining it is a mistake by the umpire.

Since the technology is available MLB should utilize it. It would not slow the game down that much. It doesn't when they review the home run calls. Case in point would be the officials reviewing a play and calling a runner out that was originally ruled safe. That is one less out that needs to be made and the inning could actually be over sooner than if they didn't have the 3-5 minute delay for the review.

I realize this would somehow taint the cub win the other day so you will pout and stomp and rant that it is simply because it went against the Cardinals. That is not the case. I have been in favor of replays for several years. We simply happen to be talking about it here and now because so many of us were watching the recent games. We could have discussed it on the mlb thread about something that happened between the Mariners and A's but very few of us would have seen them play.

+1. Good post.