Jerrance Howard and Crandall Head to SMU

BrooksTaylorFan · May 10, 2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by prepbullseye

It is official--Crandall Head has announced that he will be transferring to SMU.

Does he have to sit out the entire year or will he be available 2nd semester?

ChitownIllini · May 10, 2012, 10:14 AM

I can understand wanting to play for Brown and JH but how does DePaul not land Head?

prepbullseye · May 10, 2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BrooksTaylorFan

Does he have to sit out the entire year or will he be available 2nd semester?

Since he never enrolled at a JUCO would think that he will have to sit out next season.

prepbullseye · May 10, 2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ChitownIllini

I can understand wanting to play for Brown and JH but how does DePaul not land Head?

Think you answered your own question. The fact that JH is at SMU instead of DePaul says it all.

BrooksTaylorFan · May 10, 2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by prepbullseye

Since he never enrolled at a JUCO would think that he will have to sit out next season.

Thanks. That's what I thought since he never ended up enrolling at a JUCO. It doesn't sound like getting admitted into SMU will be that difficult. :laugh:

CrazedUIFan · May 10, 2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BrooksTaylorFan

Thanks. That's what I thought since he never ended up enrolling at a JUCO. It doesn't sound like getting admitted into SMU will be that difficult. :laugh:

I was thinking the same thing!

combes · May 10, 2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Greensboro

No doubt counting on JG being here for the next 30+ years.

Understood, however I would say Luther would have been on even shakier ground after his suspension early in his career...that one turned out ok

Luther was already in the program, was not charged with anything, and worked hard to come back better.

SMU has a choice about whether to take Crandall. It is not like he is already there. Crandall won't cause them any problems, imo. It is just that he is not a very good basketball player. Athletic as heck. But lots more to being a player than that.

scubadunk · May 10, 2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by combes

It is just that he is not a very good basketball player. Athletic as heck. But lots more to being a player than that.

Thats what they said about Luther his freshman year.

HeartofaChampion · May 10, 2012, 12:20 PM

Lu was a much better offensive player as a frosh than CH was, especially as a shooter.

combes · May 10, 2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by scubadunk

Thats what they said about Luther his freshman year.

Not true. Luther became a starter as a freshman. He did not shoot the three as well as he did later, but there was never a time that he was as bad as Crandall. Luther had not honed in on the three ball yet as a freshman, but he shot .508 from the field overall. Illini fans were more than happy with his play that year.

illiniparkie · May 10, 2012, 12:52 PM

Actually, SMU is a pretty good school and probably harder to get into than DePaul. My daughter and wife have seen the campus and say it is very nice, with a distinct monied air about it. I hope Jerrance and Crandall do well there nonetheless.

Groundhogday · May 10, 2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by combes

Not true. Luther became a starter as a freshman. He did not shoot the three as well as he did later, but there was never a time that he was as bad as Crandall. Luther had not honed in on the three ball yet as a freshman, but he shot .508 from the field overall. Illini fans were more than happy with his play that year.

Crandall also has a bit of a track record of not developing at this point. He was a fantastic prospect as a soph, but changed schools and didn't really progress as a junior, and then inexplicably didn't rehab his injury senior year. I was really hoping he would catch fire at Illinois, but it didn't happen.

carmelillini · May 10, 2012, 08:06 PM

Hope he gets it together and does well for the Mustangs.

TCTORNADO · May 10, 2012, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by illiniparkie

Actually, SMU is a pretty good school and probably harder to get into than DePaul. My daughter and wife have seen the campus and say it is very nice, with a distinct monied air about it. I hope Jerrance and Crandall do well there nonetheless.

So does Kentucky!!

grkill · May 10, 2012, 08:28 PM

He will get no playing time with Larry Brown if he continues his poor attitude.he needs to work harder in practice. Head thinks hes going pro

ChitownIllini · May 10, 2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by prepbullseye

Think you answered your own question. The fact that JH is at SMU instead of DePaul says it all.

Understood. But surprised Purnell couldn't sell Head on playing in Chicago.

TEYPAY · May 10, 2012, 10:01 PM

Is this correct - Crandall will have to set out the entire year and then 2.5 years left? However, I can't imagine that he would play the last 1/2 year - so - in essence - only 2 years left.

WesterveltVictoryCigar · May 11, 2012, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TEYPAY

Is this correct - Crandall will have to set out the entire year and then 2.5 years left? However, I can't imagine that he would play the last 1/2 year - so - in essence - only 2 years left.

No such thing as a "half season" of eligibility. You play in one game and that counts as a full season used (barring an injury that would qualify for a medical red shirt). He's got 2 seasons left.

Philly Boy · May 11, 2012, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by WesterveltVictoryCigar

No such thing as a "half season" of eligibility. You play in one game and that counts as a full season used (barring an injury that would qualify for a medical red shirt). He's got 2 seasons left.

IIRC, Alex Legion came to UI for the fall semester but -- because of transfer rules -- had to wait til the spring semester to play for us (not that it mattered much). Hence he was eligible for "a half season."

PLauderdale30 · May 11, 2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Philly Boy

IIRC, Alex Legion came to UI for the fall semester but -- because of transfer rules -- had to wait til the spring semester to play for us (not that it mattered much). Hence he was eligible for "a half season."

True, but because he elected to participate in that "half of a season", he used up a full season of competition. Same applies for CH. He may have only played during one semester, but actually used a full season.

In all actuality, by electing not to enroll until the fall, CH will end up avoiding having to make a decision (as Legion had to) as to whether to burn a full season in only a "half of a season", beacuse he wont even become eligible to compete until the fall of '13 (at which time he'll be eligible for two full seasons).

BrooksTaylorFan · May 11, 2012, 07:30 AM

Brown will contine to land top ranked talent. If Head doesn't improve his shooting and ballhandling, he won't play much regardless. Hope he spends the next season working his butt off.

Greensboro · May 11, 2012, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by combes

Luther was already in the program, was not charged with anything, and worked hard to come back better.

SMU has a choice about whether to take Crandall. It is not like he is already there. Crandall won't cause them any problems, imo. It is just that he is not a very good basketball player. Athletic as heck. But lots more to being a player than that.

It's not the same since Crandall isn't/wasn't in the SMU program...but Luther was in more trouble & in danger of being thrown off the team...in my mind there were also questions about how good Luther would become as well. Crandall may still become a very good basketball player given the chance even if he never develops his brother's shooting ability.

I also don't think Crandall will cause any problems & think there is still quite a bit of upside that doesn't make picking up Crandall that difficult of a decision if your SMU, especially if you can afford the scholarship.

scubadunk · May 11, 2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PLauderdale30

True, but because he elected to participate in that "half of a season", he used up a full season of competition. Same applies for CH. He may have only played during one semester, but actually used a full season.

In all actuality, by electing not to enroll until the fall, CH will end up avoiding having to make a decision (as Legion had to) as to whether to burn a full season in only a "half of a season", beacuse he wont even become eligible to compete until the fall of '13 (at which time he'll be eligible for two full seasons).

He only has two full seasons of eligibility. He used the second half of eligibility for this year by not attending a JUCO to get enough credits. If he would have enrolled it would have counted as sitting out half a year and given him the opportunity to begin playing midway through next season and given him 2 1/2 years of eligibility. Since he just stopped school he loses the half year.

combes · May 11, 2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by scubadunk

He only has two full seasons of eligibility. He used the second half of eligibility for this year by not attending a JUCO to get enough credits. If he would have enrolled it would have counted as sitting out half a year and given him the opportunity to begin playing midway through next season and given him 2 1/2 years of eligibility. Since he just stopped school he loses the half year.

No, he used two years of eligibility at Illinois. There is no such thing as semesters of eligibility. Barring injury, as soon as a player steps on the court, he uses a year of eligibility.

If he had gone to jc and stayed on course to graduate, he would have had two options at SMU.

1. Start playing midway through next season which would have been his third year of eligibility, and then have one more year after that.

2. Sit out all of next year, and then have two full years to play.

Because of his academic status, he has no choice but to do option 2.

But since he played at Illinois for two seasons, there was never an option of having two and a half more years.

Illinoy · May 11, 2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by combes

No, he used two years of eligibility at Illinois. There is no such thing as semesters of eligibility. Barring injury, as soon as a player steps on the court, he uses a year of eligibility.

If he had gone to jc and stayed on course to graduate, he would have had two options at SMU.

1. Start playing midway through next season which would have been his third year of eligibility, and then have one more year after that.

2. Sit out all of next year, and then have two full years to play.

Because of his academic status, he has no choice but to do option 2.

But since he played at Illinois for two seasons, there was never an option of having two and a half more years.

Hence, why Crandall even admitted in the ESPN article that he doesn't regret leaving, but he would have rather stayed and finished the season out. After the collapse we had in the second half of the season, Head would have definitely got more of a chance to play and IMO he was one of our top 2 on ball defenders if not #1.

May 10, 2012, 10:14 AM	#177
ChitownIllini Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 783	I can understand wanting to play for Brown and JH but how does DePaul not land Head?

May 10, 2012, 12:20 PM	#184
HeartofaChampion Posts: 10,336	Lu was a much better offensive player as a frosh than CH was, especially as a shooter.

May 10, 2012, 12:52 PM	#186
illiniparkie Location: Wilmette Posts: 878	Actually, SMU is a pretty good school and probably harder to get into than DePaul. My daughter and wife have seen the campus and say it is very nice, with a distinct monied air about it. I hope Jerrance and Crandall do well there nonetheless.

May 10, 2012, 08:06 PM	#188
carmelillini Location: Hamilton Co. Posts: 2,064	Hope he gets it together and does well for the Mustangs.

May 10, 2012, 08:28 PM	#190
grkill Banned Posts: 235	He will get no playing time with Larry Brown if he continues his poor attitude.he needs to work harder in practice. Head thinks hes going pro

May 10, 2012, 10:01 PM	#192
TEYPAY Location: Springfield Posts: 1,134	Is this correct - Crandall will have to set out the entire year and then 2.5 years left? However, I can't imagine that he would play the last 1/2 year - so - in essence - only 2 years left.

May 11, 2012, 07:30 AM	#196
BrooksTaylorFan Location: Illinois Posts: 4,759	Brown will contine to land top ranked talent. If Head doesn't improve his shooting and ballhandling, he won't play much regardless. Hope he spends the next season working his butt off.