Afghanistan 2024

[Waam]

Sigh... and in other news, America still not back from hard hit housing economy, consumer confidence is still low, and there are still many unemployed.

[AHSIllini32]

Originally Posted by Waam

Sigh... and in other news, America still not back from hard hit housing economy, consumer confidence is still low, and there are still many unemployed.

How would pulling the troops out of Afgan. help any of this?

And in fact, unemployment is at it's lowest rate in quite some time and the stock market is the highest it's been since the recession.

Other than that, spot on

[DaytonIllini]

Originally Posted by illinibob

You can't be implying that things will turn for the better under Mitt "double Gitmo" Romney, are you? I agree that Obama's failure to utterly repudiate these un-American anti-terror policies conceived by Bush/Cheney/Rummy/Bolton/Yoo is his biggest failing as President, but any electible Repub will be no better if not far worse, Santorum wants to invade Iraq yesterday.

Here is the deal bob. I am not a one-issue guy. But if I am going to give up liberty and get an aggressive foreign policy where we are persistently in an aggressive military stance and a police state, I'd prefer to do it under a candidate that has a modicum of intellectual understanding of business and economics.

I knew Obama was clueless with regard to the economy when I voted for him. I expected him to get us out of the nation-occupying business, the spying on our citizens business, the collapse of civil liberties business. Since he failed utterly on those issues, his ignorance on the economy becomes unacceptable.

So, if I am going to have a lunatic foreign policy, at least give me a coherent business and job friendly economic policy. Romney understands the economy so much better than Obama that it's not even a close discussion. Utterly out of his depth on money because he's never had to manage money before. Too poor to be president in my opinion and no executive expertise.

[pizzaman]

Originally Posted by DaytonIllini

Here is the deal bob. I am not a one-issue guy. But if I am going to give up liberty and get an aggressive foreign policy where we are persistently in an aggressive military stance and a police state, I'd prefer to do it under a candidate that has a modicum of intellectual understanding of business and economics.

I knew Obama was clueless with regard to the economy when I voted for him. I expected him to get us out of the nation-occupying business, the spying on our citizens business, the collapse of civil liberties business. Since he failed utterly on those issues, his ignorance on the economy becomes unacceptable.

So, if I am going to have a lunatic foreign policy, at least give me a coherent business and job friendly economic policy. Romney understands the economy so much better than Obama that it's not even a close discussion. Utterly out of his depth on money because he's never had to manage money before. Too poor to be president in my opinion and no executive expertise.

Although I agree with your statement, I can't bring myself to vote for Romney. I'll be a "throw your vote away and vote third party" (probably Ron Paul) voter.

[DaytonIllini]

Originally Posted by AHSIllini32

How would pulling the troops out of Afgan. help any of this?

And in fact, unemployment is at it's lowest rate in quite some time and the stock market is the highest it's been since the recession.

Other than that, spot on

Afraid you are wrong on that. Unemployment RATE is down (still higher than when elected though) but the unemployment in the US is at a higher level than it was last year. People have given up looking for jobs and that is lowering the RATE as they are no longer counted.

As a point of reference the number of people not in the labor force in Mar 2011 was 85.6M. In Mar 2012 there were 87.9M civilians no longer in the labor force (no job). That is 2.3M more people than a year ago. Now the population is aging and growing so that number will tend to go up with time to be fair BUT the economy is not in good shape.

This graph (labor participation rate in % vs. time) shows how dismal the situation is and that Obama has not done anything to improve it at all.



Never judge the economy by the stock market.

[DaytonIllini]

This is why we should not be in Afghanistan.

The man pointing a rifle at her from a few feet away lets loose another round, but still there is no reaction.

He fires a third shot, and finally the woman slumps backwards.

But the man fires another shot.

And another. And another.

Nine shots in all.

Around him, dozens of men on a hillside cheer: "God is great!"

Officials in Afghanistan, where the amateur video was filmed, believe the woman was executed because two Taliban commanders had a dispute over her, according to the governor of the province where the killing took place.

Both apparently had some kind of relationship with the woman, said Parwan province governor Abdul Basir Salangi.

"In order to save face," they accused her of adultery, Salangi said.

The culture there is sub-human and not worth one of our children dying over. People equate these animals in some form or another with our own culture. They pretend that they are just like us. They only want to put bread on the table and have a safe family. But these people are nothing like us. Bring our soldiers home now and leave this misogynistic group of pedophiles to their own devices. And that description is EXACTLY what their country is made up of. Grotesque parodies in human form. May they live in their hell-hold forever. It is truly Hell on Earth.

[Sure Shot]

Originally Posted by DaytonIllini

The culture there is sub-human ... these animals... May they live in their hell-hold forever. It is truly Hell on Earth.

Whoa whoa whoa.

I agree with your underlying point, but lets tone it down a little shall we?

[DaytonIllini]

Originally Posted by Sure Shot

Whoa whoa whoa.

I agree with your underlying point, but lets tone it down a little shall we?

No. Approximately 50% of the men in Afghanistan are pedophiles. That makes them subhuman.

[DaytonIllini]

For centuries, Afghan men have taken boys, roughly 9 to 15 years old, as lovers. Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover. Literally it means "boy player." The men like to boast about it.

If ever there was a culture deserving of extinction, it is this one. But I am not calling for that. Merely letting them rot, starve and kill each other in the desert for another 10,000 years. Should they get out of hand again, death from 70K feet. Simple, clean, safe. Never give them a target.

[illinirazorback]

Originally Posted by DaytonIllini

If ever there was a culture deserving of extinction, it is this one. But I am not calling for that. Merely letting them rot, starve and kill each other in the desert for another 10,000 years. Should they get out of hand again, death from 70K feet. Simple, clean, safe. Never give them a target.

Sounds about right to me.

No I suppose you'll have to rehash all the reasons why modern Christianity differs from modern Islam, as we will hear comparisons of modern Islam to Christianity from 1500 years ago.

I'm not really that religious, but just go compare Jesus to Mohammed. Seriously.

[DaytonIllini]

Originally Posted by illinirazorback

Sounds about right to me.

No I suppose you'll have to rehash all the reasons why modern Christianity differs from modern Islam, as we will hear comparisons of modern Islam to Christianity from 1500 years ago.

I'm not really that religious, but just go compare Jesus to Mohammed. Seriously.

Of course my focus is a bit narrower here. Less religious and more cultural. I don't think Afghanistan and northern Pakistan speak for all of Islam. There are far more sane versions like those practiced in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Somalia, the Sudan, Syria, the Gaza Strip, Timbuktu, Nigeria....hmmm.

[illinirazorback]

Originally Posted by DaytonIllini

Of course my focus is a bit narrower here. Less religious and more cultural. I don't think Afghanistan and northern Pakistan speak for all of Islam. There are far more sane versions like those practiced in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Somalia, the Sudan, Syria, the Gaza Strip, Timbuktu, Nigeria....hmmm.

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[Sure Shot]

Originally Posted by DaytonIllini

No. Approximately 50% of the men in Afghanistan are pedophiles. That makes them subhuman.

I could go with my usual bleeding-heart stuff, I could go with a Penn State joke, but I think I'll just let this one go and move on.

[DaytonIllini]

Originally Posted by Sure Shot

I could go with my usual bleeding-heart stuff, I could go with a Penn State joke, but I think I'll just let this one go and move on.

Probably a good idea. No reason to defend the indefensible. Sometimes there is truly evil in the world.

[Sure Shot]

Originally Posted by DaytonIllini

Probably a good idea. No reason to defend the indefensible. Sometimes there is truly evil in the world.

Evil =/= Subhuman.