Penn State NCAA sanctions: Four year bowl ban, vacated wins (1998-2011), $60M fine, significant scholarship reductions

[KBLEE]

The B1G has yet to weigh in on additional penalties. It wouldn't surprise me to see the B1G remove them from the post-season bowl game revenue sharing for the next 4 years as well.

[mattcoldagelli]

Thatcher, I disagree. I think everyone get unnecessarily hung up on the 1-year suspension of the program, but I'm not sure that would have the impact it did on SMU. Not within today's power conference and TV landscape.

This guts the PSU program for 10, 15, maybe 20 years.

[illiniparkie]

The 2013 recruits who have committed would be able to play in a bowl game their senior year. But this does put the hurt on their program.

Let this be a cautionary lesson for all those fans who think image and potential wins for their team are more important than doing the right thing. Excessive phone calls and tattoos are small potatoes compared to turning a blind eye to crimes being committed against kids.

[GilThorpe]

these sanctions are huge. they just got relegated to being in the bottom of the division with Indiana for the next 5-6 years or more.
no way can they compete with the talented teams in the league. they will lose some good players in the next 3 weeks.

[AHSIllini32]

Originally Posted by Dan

RT @John_Infante: NCAA releases says the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limit for schools that accept PSU transfers.

Wow...that's a big part of this also.

These are certainly as unprecedented as they were made out to be.

[GilThorpe]

Originally Posted by AHSIllini32

Wow...that's a big part of this also.

These are certainly as unprecedented as they were made out to be.

geez, maybe we get lucky and get a Olineman or WR from them in the next 3 weeks.

[FlyinIllini 11]

Originally Posted by GilThorpe

geez, maybe we get lucky and get a Olineman or WR from them in the next 3 weeks.

are there any recruits that we were in on last years recruiting class that Coach Beck and/or any other coaches on our staff may have serious connectoins to that we could be in play for?

[Dan]

Simply devastating for Penn State football. The program is ruined for 4 years.

I do think they'll be able to bounce back in 5-6 years.

I wonder what kind of team will visit Memorial Stadium on September 29th?

So this season in the Leaders Division, Ohio State & Penn State are ineligible for Indy. Sounds mighty good from an Illini perspective. But there's still Wisconsin. And PSU & tOSU can still give us loses. And Illinois has yet to beat anyone (except Indiana) in the Leaders Division. I'm skeptical.

[AHSIllini32]

Originally Posted by GilThorpe

geez, maybe we get lucky and get a Olineman or WR from them in the next 3 weeks.

It's certainly possible.

It's reasonable to, at this point, look at how this is going to effect the conference landscape and how Illinois fits in going forward.

[Dan]

Here we go again RT @BryanDFischer Big Ten press conference at 10am CT to address Penn State.

[FeelYourPaign]

When you think about this as:
1) give back a year's revenue (not profit, the entire revenue stream)
2) lose four year's of competitive relevance
3) lose all momentum in the program
4) lose a tremendous amount of attendance and revenue over the next 4 years or more

That effectively means a cold restart 4 years from now. OK, maybe it is only 3 years from now. It is a huge deal and this will inspire a complete break between the past and the future at PSU. I think the NCAA achieved their objectives fairly neatly and quickly. I'm fairly impressed.

[MikeThomas4Prez]

Any idea what the B1G issues as punishment?

[rbachhuber]

Did we have an 8 - 5 season last year?

[AHSIllini32]

Originally Posted by Dan

Simply devastating for Penn State football. The program is ruined for 4 years.

I do think they'll be able to bounce back in 5-6 years.

I wonder what kind of team will visit Memorial Stadium on September 29th?

So this season in the Leaders Division, Ohio State & Penn State are ineligible for Indy. Sounds mighty good from an Illini perspective. But there's still Wisconsin. And PSU & tOSU can still give us loses. And Illinois has yet to beat anyone (except Indiana) in the Leaders Division. I'm skeptical.

You think they'll be "back" in the Penn St. sense just 1 or 2 years after their scholly reduction is up, Dan? I dunno, that's 4 years of crippling depth, likely bad records, the recruits they do get won't exactly be highly thought of...I dunno.

In terms of the division, this pretty much opens the door for Illinois to move up to at least #3 for the foreseeable future and possibly springboard us even higher provided we capitalize and that we hired the guy we all think/hope we have in Beckman. I still think it's going to be OSU/Wisky going forward fighting it out for the B1G champ. game for a while to come but now Illinois has an opening to challenge for that spot as well.

Just gotta capitalize as I said.

[FeelYourPaign]

Originally Posted by rbachhuber

Did we have an 8 - 5 season last year?

Think vacating PSU wins does not create wins for the opponent. Maybe we didn't have a loss, but we don't get a win out of it either. Perhaps our season just moved up from 7-6 to 7-5, but don't think we go to 8-5.

[AHSIllini32]

Originally Posted by rbachhuber

Did we have an 8 - 5 season last year?

No I believe our record goes to 7-5. We don't credit for a win but I don't think we still have the loss on our record either. Could be wrong about the loss part though.

[Thacher_H_Guild]

Originally Posted by MikeThomas4Prez

I disagree in a sense. No bowls or B1G title games for 4 years and a reduction of 20 scholarships a year will hurt them extremely. As John Infante said, it basically makes them an FCS program for four years. No one is going to want to go there. Decommitments from this year are all ready going on. Theyve lost two, and that QB will not be there much longer.

I guess we'll have to see what happens. I personally think a two year death penalty and having to start over with no players at all would have been far worse.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by rbachhuber

Did we have an 8 - 5 season last year?

No, when Team A has to vacate a win, Team B (the original loser) does not pick up the win. The game's win simply.. vanishes (poof!). I learned that when USC sanctions came out a few years ago, fun stuff.

[Oskee Mayer]

Originally Posted by rbachhuber

Did we have an 8 - 5 season last year?

Yes, and AJ did not fumble that ball! I was more upset after that farce of a game than any since probably Michigan 2000.

[Sure Shot]

Originally Posted by GilThorpe

these sanctions are huge. they just got relegated to being in the bottom of the division with Indiana for the next 5-6 years or more.
no way can they compete with the talented teams in the league. they will lose some good players in the next 3 weeks.

The question is whether they lose their current players, because in terms of their ability to recruit, especially, say, 2015 and forward, this barely lays a glove on them.

The public and internal pressure to stay is going to be enormous on the players, and if anybody leaves they are going to be subject to the same sort of nonsense that the PSU board have been full of lately. And of course, the centerpiece is a fine that the students will pay in tuition.

The NCAA can't get out of bed in the morning without screwing over 18-22 year old kids.

[Thacher_H_Guild]

Originally Posted by MikeThomas4Prez

Any idea what the B1G issues as punishment?

It sounded from the way Emmert was talking that the B1G was in on these discussions (e.g., PSU has to make reports to the Big Ten conference). Given that there was a consent decree between PSU and the NCAA, I would be surprised if the Big Ten didn't already give their blessing to it. So it is possible that they will just support these sanctions and be done with it. I'm sure they will reserve the right to do more, but usually they don't create their own sanctions when the NCAA acts.

[FeelYourPaign]

Originally Posted by Thacher_H_Guild

It sounded from the way Emmert was talking that the B1G was in on these discussions (e.g., PSU has to make reports to the Big Ten conference). Given that there was a consent decree between PSU and the NCAA, I would be surprised if the Big Ten didn't already give their blessing to it. So it is possible that they will just support these sanctions and be done with it. I'm sure they will reserve the right to do more, but usually they don't create their own sanctions when the NCAA acts.

I suspect that they will say that PSU can't play for the Big Ten title, since if they won it (woo hoo, that's a good one !) the conference would lose an automatic bowl spot (read that as REVENUE). Maybe they will even say that PSU doesn't get to share in bowl revenue, but I doubt that. Pure guess, obviously.

[Thacher_H_Guild]

Originally Posted by mattcoldagelli

Thatcher, I disagree. I think everyone get unnecessarily hung up on the 1-year suspension of the program, but I'm not sure that would have the impact it did on SMU. Not within today's power conference and TV landscape.

This guts the PSU program for 10, 15, maybe 20 years.

Well, I guess those folks who said people might debate whether this is worse than the dealth penalty were right then.

I guess I am thinking of it from the perspective of the many chucklehead fans they have. (Not all of them, obviously, but given the statements in the last year, I have to say that they might be #1 in country in chuckleheads.) I really feel like the entire fan base could use some time off of Penn State football. I guess we'll see how loyal they really are over the next few years.

[AHSIllini32]

Originally Posted by Sure Shot

The question is whether they lose their current players, because in terms of their ability to recruit, especially, say, 2015 and forward, this barely lays a glove on them.

The public and internal pressure to stay is going to be enormous on the players, and if anybody leaves they are going to be subject to the same sort of nonsense that the PSU board have been full of lately. And of course, the centerpiece is a fine that the students will pay in tuition.

The NCAA can't get out of bed in the morning without screwing over 18-22 year old kids.

The NCAA isn't screwing over anyone except the PSU football program. My God you are really hung up on that. If the school raises tuition, which it won't in response to the 60M fine, then it's because the school wants to, not because the NCAA did anything.

If you don't think this hurts their recruiting going forward then you are just blindly placing blame on the NCAA because you have some sort of beef with them or something.

[AHSIllini32]

Originally Posted by FeelYourPaign

I suspect that they will say that PSU can't play for the Big Ten title, since if they won it (woo hoo, that's a good one !) the conference would lose an automatic bowl spot (read that as REVENUE). Maybe they will even say that PSU doesn't get to share in bowl revenue, but I doubt that. Pure guess, obviously.

Aren't they already banned from that with the "no postseason games" crackdown from the NCAA?