Big Ten Football Media Days - Tim Beckman vs Bill O'Brien

[Sybok]

Originally Posted by Hunterpsu

what about the comment about the logo...anyone..hello...look I live in chicago I know all the problems the state of illinois is facing. The school has had a few issues but nothing major...I would just think a beautiful example like what the coach for Northwestern did was an opportunity missed. Yes you can fly to PSU and try to grab a few players. yes Illinois could probably use a little more talent. But lets assume they get 2-3 players. Was it really worth the bad publicity. I plan on going to the PSU Illinois game..I am hoping on game day I walk up to the window and buy my tickets. With problems at PSU will make it easier. Great stadium, frlendly people, and beautiful campus. I think what I am saying is troll lite not heavy troll..real questions that require some thought by that is deaper than..everyone else is doing it...psu deserves it...right is right...or it is not.

1. The Northwestern coach is mediocre and has a mediocre record. 2. The Northwestern coach can say what he wants to say as there would likely be no player on the PSU roster who would want to play college football on something that reminds most people of a high school field.

As for your bad publicity comment, your school is the one that is in an NCAA hole at the moment due to idol worship being more important than child molestation. I don't really care if Beckman went on campus to get PSU players' attention, as long as it followed NCAA/B1G rules.

[Sybok]

Originally Posted by Hunterpsu

...Illinois just man up..You need the players ...you are obeying the rules...and you dont care how it looks or smells..

Bolded for what matters. When people obey the rules, the smell test is passed.

[DaytonIllini]

Originally Posted by Hunterpsu

Again it seem most of the illinois comments contain and insult directed at PSU deserving it or the one above about someone else being even more bumbling. I dont know the coach of Illinois..the first exposure to him was watching the media day espn and listening to some commentary and reading the parking lot illinios coaches staking out the players..Maybe my first impression was wrong..but nothing I read above makes me feel differently. Teenagers often revert to others do so why cant I..or gee its not so bad such and such was worse. Illinois just man up..You need the players ...you are obeying the rules...and you dont care how it looks or smells..

It smells like......victory.

Seriously though. You'd have to be a true ass-clown to think that going to meet players that reached out to Illinois is in any way unethical. And any coach that claims they wouldn't do it is FOS.

[bigtiny]

Thankfully I've been travelling for work and hadn't caught all the hoopla between O'Brian and Illinois until now. All I can say is WTF! The freaking NCAA created this rule in Penn State's punishment to protect the kids and change the football culture. When whatever his name O'Brian gets up there and huffs and puffs and snorts about it like that, he is basically flipping off the NCAA and creating a culture of fear again - that football players who consider transferring are somewhat lesser men. This is exactly what caused Penn State to become Rape U.

The Big Ten should be much more proactive here. They should actually facilitate an open communication channel between other schools and PSU players, so that these kids aren't intimidated by their Shrek-look-a-like coach.

[illiniobserver22]

Originally Posted by Hunterpsu

Again it seem most of the illinois comments contain and insult directed at PSU deserving it or the one above about someone else being even more bumbling.

My previous comment didn't contain any insults or anything about PSU deserving it.

Originally Posted by Hunterpsu

I dont know the coach of Illinois..the first exposure to him was watching the media day espn and listening to some commentary and reading the parking lot illinios coaches staking out the players..

They didn't go to a parking lot or stake out players. That is completely false. They were never even on campus.

Originally Posted by Hunterpsu

Teenagers often revert to others do so why cant I..or gee its not so bad such and such was worse.

That's not english.

Originally Posted by Hunterpsu

Illinois just man up..You need the players ...you are obeying the rules...and you dont care how it looks or smells..

I hope we always obey the rules and never care how it looks.

[txillini]

Originally Posted by Hunterpsu

Again it seem most of the illinois comments contain and insult directed at PSU deserving it or the one above about someone else being even more bumbling. I dont know the coach of Illinois..the first exposure to him was watching the media day espn and listening to some commentary and reading the parking lot illinios coaches staking out the players..Maybe my first impression was wrong..but nothing I read above makes me feel differently. Teenagers often revert to others do so why cant I..or gee its not so bad such and such was worse. Illinois just man up..You need the players ...you are obeying the rules...and you dont care how it looks or smells..

Seriously? Enough with the woe is PSU. At least two of your players contacted the Illini before Monday. They inquired about a transfer. So these two (or more) players want to get the hell away from the mess that is PSU right now and we are the bad guys? WE DID NOT INITIATE THE CONTACT. We can't contact any player that has not told PSU of their desire to transfer. So if these kids want to play ball AND get a high quality education- we should say no. Look to the SEC or MAC. Not trying to rip on those schools; they're good quality. But they are not PSU or Illinois in terms of education. Do you really want to keep players that don't want to be there? Because that is who we are talking to. That's it. Really
nice that so many PSU fans want to punish the players for wanting to leave.

We did nothing wrong. The media in some cases portrayed it wrong but that is not our fault. Some of it was BOB's fault and some was bad reporting. But we have nothing to be ashamed of. Didn't step foot on campus and only spoke to players who expressed interest.

[mattcoldagelli]

Hunterpsu, are you on #teamoutlaw?

[Hunterpsu]

Actually I am all for players leaving that want to...not fair to any player that is at PSU being forced to stay..after what happened. Of course that is not what we are discussing. We are discussing Illinois coaches presentation at the media day and his comments about his coaches. I just feel he came off looking really bad. Does not mean he was breaking any rules. He just looked...well small ball...and a little desperate. Maybe he is. I dont know what pressure he is under. Also the logo comment made me feel he was ashamed of what he was doing. Still dont understand that comment. Can someone explain it to me?

[Groundhogday]

Originally Posted by txillini

We did nothing wrong. The media in some cases portrayed it wrong but that is not our fault. Some of it was BOB's fault and some was bad reporting. But we have nothing to be ashamed of. Didn't step foot on campus and only spoke to players who expressed interest.

This is just righteous indignation that Illinois, ILLINOIS, could poach PSU players. It is fine for USC to poach players because that is an elite football program. But ILLINOIS!? It is clearly very upsetting to PSU coaches, fans and players to realize that they have now fallen below Illinois in the football pecking order.

I'm loving it. :laugh:

[mattcoldagelli]

Originally Posted by Hunterpsu

Also the logo comment made me feel he was ashamed of what he was doing. Still dont understand that comment. Can someone explain it to me?

Are you referring to what the AD (not the coach) said about the coaches wearing Illinois gear? Because that was clearly shorthand for "If we'd known everyone was going to attempt to scale a high horse about this, we'd probably have been a little more discreet because dealing with this mock outrage is a pain in the ass."

[txillini]

Originally Posted by Groundhogday

This is just righteous indignation that Illinois, ILLINOIS, could poach PSU players. It is fine for USC to poach players because that is an elite football program. But ILLINOIS!? It is clearly very upsetting to PSU coaches, fans and players to realize that they have now fallen below Illinois in the football pecking order.

I'm loving it. :laugh:

Me, too! So much that I rewatched B1G media days with hubby once he got home. It warranted at least a couple of beers.

[Hunterpsu]

I never really felt PSU competed directly against Illinois for players. I still dont feel that way. Maybe we got a player or two or vice versa from each others states. I totally understand why you might feel inferior to PSU and celebrate the possibility of being now superior to PSU but let me assure you...no one at PSU has ever given a thought to be superior or inferior to Illinois. I always like Illinois. My favorite was 1994 game when PSU came back with little time and lots of rain to win. I am sure Illinois has a favorite PSU game as well. But PSU people dont have ill will towards Illinois. Usually a competitive game. Tough players. good school. Difficult location on recruiting. I liked Zook..he was classic old school coach..Looked like a coach..kind of like Obrien at PSU now. Obrien brown education better but he carries it with a blue collar zook feel.

[Clemens]

Originally Posted by Hunterpsu

I dont know the coach of Illinois..the first exposure to him was watching the media day espn and listening to some commentary and reading the parking lot illinios coaches staking out the players.

head---> wall

Does no one actually read and comprehend news stories? This never happened. UI coaches were never even on campus. They were only seen at the airport. This whole false narrative got started from a single ESPN article where it said UI coaches were seen at the airport and coaches (not UI) were seen in a parking lot. Several reporters assumed that the coaches in the parking lot were UI coaches but it NEVER happened.

[Ransom Stoddard]

Originally Posted by mattcoldagelli

Are you referring to what the AD (not the coach) said about the coaches wearing Illinois gear? Because that was clearly shorthand for "If we'd known everyone was going to attempt to scale a high horse about this, we'd probably have been a little more discreet because dealing with this mock outrage is a pain in the ass."

Well said. Even better when imagining it is coming from Ron Swanson's voice.

[KJKobs]

Originally Posted by Clemens

head---> wall

Does no one actually read and comprehend news stories? This never happened. UI coaches were never even on campus. They were only seen at the airport. This whole false narrative got started from a single ESPN article where it said UI coaches were seen at the airport and coaches (not UI) were seen in a parking lot. Several reporters assumed that the coaches in the parking lot were UI coaches but it NEVER happened.

You may be reaching a tad in assuming that PSU fans can both read and comprehend news stories. :laugh:

[RHITIllini]

Originally Posted by Hunterpsu

Again it seem most of the illinois comments contain and insult directed at PSU deserving it or the one above about someone else being even more bumbling. I dont know the coach of Illinois..the first exposure to him was watching the media day espn and listening to some commentary and reading the parking lot illinios coaches staking out the players..Maybe my first impression was wrong..but nothing I read above makes me feel differently. Teenagers often revert to others do so why cant I..or gee its not so bad such and such was worse. Illinois just man up..You need the players ...you are obeying the rules...and you dont care how it looks or smells..

I really hope your job doesn't involve forming complete and coherent sentences.

[Groundhogday]

Originally Posted by RHITIllini

I really hope your job doesn't involve forming complete and coherent sentences.

Job? I really hope, for the sake of education in Pennsylvania, that this kid isn't old enough to work.

[txillini]

Originally Posted by Hunterpsu

My favorite was 1994 game when PSU came back with little time and lots of rain to win. I am sure Illinois has a favorite PSU game as well.

I normally don't try to speak for entire groups, but I will in this case. I can say that our favorite game was NOT 2011 with the PSU fans slinging snowballs at our players in the field while beloved JoePa did nothing. Not to mention the oh-so-charming helmet-to-helmet that nearly ripped our QB's head off.

[RHITIllini]

Originally Posted by Groundhogday

Job? I really hope, for the sake of education in Pennsylvania, that this kid isn't old enough to work.

Old enough.. maybe, but you still have to have a GED or equivalent in most cases.. and I have my doubts

[Ransom Stoddard]

Originally Posted by RHITIllini

I really hope your job doesn't involve forming complete and coherent sentences.

This, unfortunately, is how a lot of kids write when it doesn't have to be turned in for a grade. I think it is a result of the texting and IM mindset, where you throw a thought out there, then another, then another, and don't really worry about how well they actually fit together. This guy is just using ellipses (more or less) rather than hitting "send".

[Hunterpsu]

My job is more a numbers business. But forming complete sentences is part of it..mostly I talk in short yes or no on yahoo. Sorry if my english is difficult for you to read and my sentences not perfect. But back to Illinois. What kind of season is expected this year. rebuild or run for the big 10? I am hoping PSU maintains enough players to give a good game against Illinois. Looking forward to seeing that game. Want to make at least to games this year.

[Hunterpsu]

Back to the insults. I understand that is tough for someone to bring to light Illinois new coaches bad behavior that has possibly brought bad publicity to the university. Maybe some of the other coaches played it up a bit...but I think North Western guy is a real class act. His job is tough and he loves the challenge. Wisconsin...well who knows..College football recruiting is and has been an ugly business for a long time. Most coaches eventually roll around in the mud and get all dirty and stinky. It just happened a little more publicly and sooner than most at Illinois would have liked. Who knows he might be a good coach. Give it a couple years and we shall see.

[Clemens]

Originally Posted by Hunterpsu

Back to the insults. I understand that is tough for someone to bring to light Illinois new coaches bad behavior that has possibly brought bad publicity to the university. Maybe some of the other coaches played it up a bit...but I think North Western guy is a real class act. His job is tough and he loves the challenge. Wisconsin...well who knows..College football recruiting is and has been an ugly business for a long time. Most coaches eventually roll around in the mud and get all dirty and stinky. It just happened a little more publicly and sooner than most at Illinois would have liked. Who knows he might be a good coach. Give it a couple years and we shall see.

a PSU fan is really going to come here and talk about UI coaches bad behavior?????

[txillini]

Please do not say things about coaches rolling in the mud and getting dirty and stinky. It's very uncomfortable coming from a PSU fan. Ew.

[GeorgiaIllini]

Originally Posted by Indicchief

Sir, I know your intentions are right.

However, the issue - to be clear - is that the IL coaches were contacted.

To make the team better, etc is only after this fact. This detail should never get lost IMHO.

I am not sure I think that matters either. I would not want our coaches cold calling their whole roster, but if they know them because they recruited them before or in some other way, I don't see why they have to call first.

I do understand that Beckman said they all called us first, which is fine - but I am not sure its necessary to avoid having done something wrong or low class.