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Old Oct 15, 2012, 06:13 PM   #1
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The situation that has happened to Klachko last week and now that we have two guys getting concussed in two straigght games has me wondering.

What exactly are the "rules" if any, regarding playing after multiple concussions. If you had one say in high school, does that count on your limit in college? I have to think that ALOT of players at the elite level in high school are playing with at least one, maybe two lifetime concussions. Is the NCAA or the schools Dr in charge of monitoring when you can play again?

I have to think NS has had at least one before this past weekend. Is he likely in a situation where should he get one more he is done?

I would like to know from some of those on the site who may be in the medical field as to what the rules and risks are.
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Old Oct 16, 2012, 07:06 AM   #2
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The situation that has happened to Klachko last week and now that we have two guys getting concussed in two straigght games has me wondering.

What exactly are the "rules" if any, regarding playing after multiple concussions. If you had one say in high school, does that count on your limit in college? I have to think that ALOT of players at the elite level in high school are playing with at least one, maybe two lifetime concussions. Is the NCAA or the schools Dr in charge of monitoring when you can play again?

I have to think NS has had at least one before this past weekend. Is he likely in a situation where should he get one more he is done?

I would like to know from some of those on the site who may be in the medical field as to what the rules and risks are.
Do they have a specific rule regarding this? I know they're doing all they can to protect players against concussions, but I have to imagine there are still a ton that go undiagnosed.
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Old Oct 16, 2012, 07:46 AM   #3
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The situation that has happened to Klachko last week and now that we have two guys getting concussed in two straight games has me wondering. ... I would like to know from some of those on the site who may be in the medical field as to what the rules and risks are.

My qualifications in medical field are significant enough for me to be able to find Tylenol at Walgreens. FWIW, which is about nothing:

"Three strike" rule has been there since after WWII. But the determining factor in allowing a player to go on playing, or not is not the number of concussions, but how quickly a player recovers, and what degree of impact tolerance a player exhibits. For example, a player can get knocked out flat, but come around in five second, be perfectly aware in ten, and show no discernible signs of concussion in five minutes. He may be allowed back on the field in fifteen minutes.


Another player gets knocked out exactly the same, is still groggy in fifteen minutes, gets benched for a month to recover, and then gets dizzy and stumbles like drunk after the first rep in practice. A doctor is likely to let the first player back on the field, but sign the second one off the team.

Decisions are made intuitively, based on doctors’ interpretation of the symptoms. Of course, there are clear-cut situations where the MRI shows things nobody wants to see.

Scientists isolated some sort of a gene, presence of which makes a person susceptible to concussions. Maybe we can test recruits before we sign them?

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Old Oct 16, 2012, 02:48 PM   #4
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Personally I think we should put a soft layer on the outside of helmets, seems like that would get rid of concussions pretty quickly and get kids to stop leading with their helmets to try and cause a fumble.

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Old Oct 16, 2012, 03:02 PM   #5
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My son plays high school football and our district has a pretty rigorous policy regarding concussions for all sports. There is a lot more of it in other sports than I thought. Our school does baseline testing before the season starts so they can see what cognitive issues there may be after trauma. They also communicate with coaches, players and families on symptoms and how to notify the trainers if a concussion is supected. I don't know how effective it is, but there seem to be a fair number of kids that miss games with concussions. I suspect there are not more of concussions these days, just more that are diagnosed.

My son over the weekend was complaining of headcahes and I ran through the laundry list of symptoms and he didn't seem to have anything else indicative of a concussion, but told him to see the training staff first thing on Monday. As it turns out, they (and we agree) think it is just a sinus issue which he is prone to, but just by seeing the trainer for it, he was held out of practice for two days as a precaution.

I assume every college has a pretty set procedure in place, but it all boils down to the athlete being willing to self report and the coaches looking for it or being receptive to corrective action when they do.

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