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Old Dec 31, 2012, 10:58 AM   #1
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Illinois up one spot to #14 in Coaches Poll-

1 Duke 12-0 774 30 1
2 Michigan 13-0 744 1 2
3 Arizona 12-0 692 0 3
4 Louisville 12-1 678 0 3
5 Indiana 12-1 654 0 5
6 Kansas 11-1 643 0 6
7 Syracuse 11-1 575 0 7
8 Ohio St. 10-2 530 0 10
9 Florida 9-2 451 0 11
10 Gonzaga 12-1 439 0 13
11 Creighton 12-1 436 0 12
12 Missouri 10-2 420 0 9
13 Minnesota 12-1 417 0 14
14 Illinois 13-1 358 0 15
15 Cincinnati 12-1 352 0 8
16 Georgetown 10-1 281 0 18
17 San Diego St. 11-2 242 0 16
18 Michigan St. 11-2 228 0 19
19 Notre Dame 12-1 201 0 20
20 Butler 10-2 194 0 21
21 Oklahoma St. 10-1 146 0 22
22 Pittsburgh 12-1 124 0 24
23 New Mexico 13-1 109 0 NR
24 UNLV 11-2 100 0 17
25 N.C. State 10-2 95 0 25

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab.../coaches-poll/
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:01 AM   #2
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The fact that we moved up at all is fine with me. I'll take it.

Surprised how high Gonzaga still is, though.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:02 AM   #3
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Illinois up one spot to #14 in Coaches Poll-

1 Duke 12-0 774 30 1
2 Michigan 13-0 744 1 2
3 Arizona 12-0 692 0 3
4 Louisville 12-1 678 0 3
5 Indiana 12-1 654 0 5
6 Kansas 11-1 643 0 6
7 Syracuse 11-1 575 0 7
8 Ohio St. 10-2 530 0 10
9 Florida 9-2 451 0 11
10 Gonzaga 12-1 439 0 13
11 Creighton 12-1 436 0 12
12 Missouri 10-2 420 0 9
13 Minnesota 12-1 417 0 14
14 Illinois 13-1 358 0 15
15 Cincinnati 12-1 352 0 8
16 Georgetown 10-1 281 0 18
17 San Diego St. 11-2 242 0 16
18 Michigan St. 11-2 228 0 19
19 Notre Dame 12-1 201 0 20
20 Butler 10-2 194 0 21
21 Oklahoma St. 10-1 146 0 22
22 Pittsburgh 12-1 124 0 24
23 New Mexico 13-1 109 0 NR
24 UNLV 11-2 100 0 17
25 N.C. State 10-2 95 0 25

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab.../coaches-poll/
Seems reasonable, except I don't get Louisvillle, didn't they just lose, or was that my imagination?
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:19 AM   #4
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Seems reasonable, except I don't get Louisvillle, didn't they just lose, or was that my imagination?


No, they just beat Kentucky. Only loss is to Duke early in the season.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:19 AM   #5
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Seems reasonable, except I don't get Louisvillle, didn't they just lose, or was that my imagination?
That was your imagination lol.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:21 AM   #6
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I still don't get a couple of things:

1.) both OSU and Florida are in the top 10, even though they both have 2 losses.

2.) Gonzaga is 4 spots ahead of us, even though we beat them head to head and our résumé is better than theirs.

3.) Creighton is 3 spots ahead of us, even though our résumé is much better.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:23 AM   #7
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I still don't get a couple of things:

1.) both OSU and Florida are in the top 10, even though they both have 2 losses.

2.) Gonzaga is 4 spots ahead of us, even though we beat them head to head and our résumé is better than theirs.

3.) Creighton is 3 spots ahead of us, even though our résumé is much better.
I definitely don't understand number 2 or 3.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:25 AM   #8
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I still don't get a couple of things:

1.) both OSU and Florida are in the top 10, even though they both have 2 losses.

2.) Gonzaga is 4 spots ahead of us, even though we beat them head to head and our résumé is better than theirs.

3.) Creighton is 3 spots ahead of us, even though our résumé is much better.
Voters don't look at "resumes", they look at last week's poll, check who won/lost and update their votes accordingly.

tOSU and Florida are programs that have been powerhouses this century, so they have more staying power than others would.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:26 AM   #9
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I definitely don't understand number 2 or 3.
Yeah I guess OSU's 2 losses have been to two top 6 teams, so that's understandable, but one of Florida's losses was to an unranked, at the time, KSU.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:26 AM   #10
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Voters don't look at "resumes", they look at last week's poll, check who won/lost and update their votes accordingly.

tOSU and Florida are programs that have been powerhouses this century, so they have more staying power than others would.
Yeah it goes to show the power of pre season rankings, even though some will say "they don't mean anything".
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:27 AM   #11
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Yeah it goes to show the power of pre season rankings, even though some will say "they don't mean anything".
Well they don't when it comes to March. Sagarin and/or Pomeroy is the stuff.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:29 AM   #12
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I wonder if Pitt will get credit for beating #8 Cincy or #15 Cincy? (If Pitt pulls this out)
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:39 AM   #13
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I wonder if Pitt will get credit for beating #8 Cincy or #15 Cincy? (If Pitt pulls this out)
My guess is #8

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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:44 AM   #14
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I definitely don't understand number 2 or 3.
Isn't it obvious? We won by 2 against an under .500 team in a virtual home game. Sagarin and KenPom show significant drops in our rankings today. KenPom no longer even shows us top 40.

Voters don't use formulae like those other sites do, but they do look and see another close win against a team that we should have blown out.

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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:51 AM   #15
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Isn't it obvious? We won by 2 against an under .500 team in a virtual home game. Sagarin and KenPom show significant drops in our rankings today. KenPom no longer even shows us top 40.

Voters don't use formulae like those other sites do, but they do look and see another close win against a team that we should have blown out.
Yeah, I guess so.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:54 AM   #16
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Yeah I guess OSU's 2 losses have been to two top 6 teams, so that's understandable, but one of Florida's losses was to an unranked, at the time, KSU.
Except that OSU lost at home to Kansas. While Kansas is no doubt a good team, a true top-10 team should win at home against them.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:54 AM   #17
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Isn't it obvious? We won by 2 against an under .500 team in a virtual home game. Sagarin and KenPom show significant drops in our rankings today. KenPom no longer even shows us top 40.

Voters don't use formulae like those other sites do, but they do look and see another close win against a team that we should have blown out.
And Gonzaga barely beat Baylor in a game that Pangos scored 31, and he can't do that every game, so does that win even count?

Our one loss was to Missouri and Creighton's one loss was at home to Boise State.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 11:55 AM   #18
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Except that OSU lost at home to Kansas. While Kansas is no doubt a good team, a true top-10 team should win at home against them.
If I were creating the poll, I would agree with you, but I understand why most still believe they are a top 10 team and rank them as such.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 12:09 PM   #19
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Illini move up one spot to #11 in AP Poll-

1. Duke (63) 12-0 1,623 1
2. Michigan (2) 13-0 1,547 2
3. Arizona 12-0 1,474 3
4. Louisville 12-1 1,434 4
5. Indiana 12-1 1,378 5
6. Kansas 11-1 1,313 6
7. Syracuse 11-1 1,197 9
8. Ohio St. 10-2 1,079 10
9. Minnesota 12-1 978 11
10. Gonzaga 12-1 946 13
11. Illinois 13-1 929 12
12. Missouri 10-2 912 7
13. Florida 9-2 810 14
14. Cincinnati 12-1 761 8
15. Georgetown 10-1 718 15
16. Creighton 12-1 629 16
17. Butler 10-2 591 18
18. Michigan St. 11-2 447 19
19. San Diego St. 11-2 437 17
20. New Mexico 13-1 389 —
21. Notre Dame 12-1 361 21
22. Oklahoma St. 10-1 333 22
23. NC State 10-2 270 23
24. Pittsburgh 12-1 219 24
25. Kansas St. 10-2 149 25

http://www.illinihq.com/sports/illin...lini-11th.html
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 12:12 PM   #20
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Illini move up one spot to #11 in AP Poll-

1. Duke (63) 12-0 1,623 1
2. Michigan (2) 13-0 1,547 2
3. Arizona 12-0 1,474 3
4. Louisville 12-1 1,434 4
5. Indiana 12-1 1,378 5
6. Kansas 11-1 1,313 6
7. Syracuse 11-1 1,197 9
8. Ohio St. 10-2 1,079 10
9. Minnesota 12-1 978 11
10. Gonzaga 12-1 946 13
11. Illinois 13-1 929 12
12. Missouri 10-2 912 7
13. Florida 9-2 810 14
14. Cincinnati 12-1 761 8
15. Georgetown 10-1 718 15
16. Creighton 12-1 629 16
17. Butler 10-2 591 18
18. Michigan St. 11-2 447 19
19. San Diego St. 11-2 437 17
20. New Mexico 13-1 389 —
21. Notre Dame 12-1 361 21
22. Oklahoma St. 10-1 333 22
23. NC State 10-2 270 23
24. Pittsburgh 12-1 219 24
25. Kansas St. 10-2 149 25

http://www.illinihq.com/sports/illin...lini-11th.html
I like this poll much better, but it's funny to see Gonzaga at 10 (who we beat) and Missouri at 12 (who beat us) and then us at 11.

It looks like the AP people are on my side with regards to Florida and Creighton having them both well below us.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 12:13 PM   #21
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Voters don't look at "resumes", they look at last week's poll, check who won/lost and update their votes accordingly.

tOSU and Florida are programs that have been powerhouses this century, so they have more staying power than others would.
I think this is correct, though it may not be right, if you know what I mean.
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And Gonzaga barely beat Baylor in a game that Pangos scored 31, and he can't do that every game, so does that win even count?

Our one loss was to Missouri and Creighton's one loss was at home to Boise State.
Baylor is a top 50 team. Auburn is probably in the lower 50% of the country. "Barely beat" probably applies more to what we did than what Gonzaga did.

Again, these rankings are based on changes from the previous week. There will be more than a few head scratchers from week to week. That's why these rankings are mostly bogus anyway. Each voter has his own reasoning for deciding who is better than who from week to week, and those combine to form some goofy setups like Gonzaga>Illinois>Mizzou this week even though in a head to head perspective, it should be Mizzou>Illinois>Gonzaga.

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Baylor is a top 50 team. Auburn is probably in the lower 50% of the country. "Barely beat" probably applies more to what we did than what Gonzaga did.

Again, these rankings are based on changes from the previous week. There will be more than a few head scratchers from week to week. That's why these rankings are mostly bogus anyway. Each voter has his own reasoning for deciding who is better than who from week to week, and those combine to form some goofy setups like Gonzaga>Illinois>Mizzou this week even though in a head to head perspective, it should be Mizzou>Illinois>Gonzaga.
Yeah I was just joking about the Gonzaga vs. Baylor game. I don't think barely beating someone should count against you, whether it be Gonzaga or Illinois.
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 12:22 PM   #24
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10th? 14th? does it really matter? lets see where we are at after the end of the season.....if we have less than 8 big ten losses by season's end, I will be very surprised....
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Old Dec 31, 2012, 12:25 PM   #25
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10th? 14th? does it really matter? lets see where we are at after the end of the season.....if we have less than 8 big ten losses by season's end, I will be very surprised....
If we have less than 8 BiG losses, we'll easily be a top 10 team at the end of the year. Maybe top 5. I think most of us are expecting 9 BiG losses. Maybe one more or one less.
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