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Old Jan 7, 2013, 10:46 AM   #1
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Illinois falls one spot to #12 in AP Poll-
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Big Ten teams in the AP poll: No. 2 Michigan, No. 5 IU, No. 8 Minnesota, No. 12 Illinois, No. 15 Ohio State and No. 22 Michigan State

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Old Jan 7, 2013, 10:50 AM   #2
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Illinois moves up one spot to #13 in Coaches Poll-

1 Duke 14-0 774 30 1
2 Michigan 15-0 744 1 2
3 Arizona 14-0 691 0 3
4 Louisville 13-1 677 0 4
5 Indiana 13-1 649 0 5
6 Kansas 12-1 640 0 6
7 Syracuse 14-1 585 0 7
8 Gonzaga 15-1 511 0 10
9 Florida 10-2 496 0 9
10 Minnesota 14-1 488 0 13
11 Creighton 14-1 469 0 11
12 Missouri 11-2 447 0 12
13 Illinois 14-2 366 0 14
14 Ohio St. 11-3 355 0 8
15 San Diego St. 12-2 314 0 17
16 Notre Dame 13-1 285 0 19
17 Butler 12-2 274 0 20
18 Michigan St. 12-3 190 0 18
19 UNLV 13-2 170 0 24
20 Cincinnati 13-2 165 0 15
21 N.C. State 12-2 153 0 25
22 Georgetown 10-2 138 0 16
23 Kansas St. 12-2 131 0 NR
24 Va. Commonwealth 12-3 85 0 NR
25 Wyoming 13-0 70 0

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab.../coaches-poll/
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 10:52 AM   #3
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I'll take it : )

I'm glad we're ahead of OSU in both polls. Wish we would have beaten PU because we would probably be around #8 with a win there, but honestly, if we lose this week, it doesn't matter, so win baby win!
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:01 AM   #4
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Our win @ Gonzaga keeps looking better and better. Wouldn't be surprised if we are their only loss at the end of the season.
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:08 AM   #5
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Sort of funny to think last week was more or less a wash. In reality, we know the OSU game probably outweighs the Purdue game.

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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:08 AM   #6
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Why does BTN use the coaches poll? Shouldn't they use the AP poll since it's the "official" poll.
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:08 AM   #7
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The full AP Poll-

1 Duke (62) 14-0 1,622
2 Michigan (3) 15-0 1,553
3 Louisville 13-1 1,447
4 Arizona 14-0 1,442
5 Indiana 13-1 1,381
6 Kansas 12-1 1,322
7 Syracuse 14-1 1,211
8 Minnesota 14-1 1,121
9 Gonzaga 15-1 1,064
10 Missouri 11-2 1,006
11 Florida 10-2 922
12 Illinois 14-2 881
13 Creighton 14-1 789
14 Butler 12-2 761
15 Ohio State 11-3 710
16 San Diego State 12-2 591
17 Notre Dame 13-1 547
18 Kansas State 12-2 472
19 Georgetown 10-2 441
20 North Carolina State 12-2 438
21 Cincinnati 13-2 375
22 Michigan State 12-3 267
23 Wichita State 14-1 135
24 UNLV 13-2 113
25 New Mexico 13-2 102

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:10 AM   #8
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From the other thread:

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Sagarins ratings look especially useless.

He seems to compound mistakes, Illinois at #30 is pretty low, but he has #120 Purdue so that loss weighs heavily.
It was interesting to see how the different rankings reacted. Pomeroy moved us lower more on the close win over Auburn than he did when we lost @ Purdue. Sagarin was the opposite.

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We are #34 on Pomeroy, and Wisconsin is #18, 11-4. Not sure how that works.
He's acknowledged many times over the past few years his formula has a problem rating Wisconsin accurately. Most probably it's because they play at a really slow tempo which enhances their "efficiency" and skews them in his system. Also to Bo's credit, their subs play really well vs cupcakes so they have less "garbage time" degradation than most teams.


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Sagarin hasn't updated yet. Still have us at 13-2.
He has. Like RPI, his system doesn't count the win over Chaminade since they are not a D1 team.
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:10 AM   #9
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Gonzaga has beaten a whole lot of nobody for that ranking.
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:11 AM   #10
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Gonzaga has beaten a whole lot of nobody for that ranking.
Oh, so it's like every year since ever.


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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:11 AM   #11
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VCU has beaten no one of merit. Not deserving of a ranking.
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:12 AM   #12
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Gonzaga has beaten a whole lot of nobody for that ranking.
The Big 12 objects to that comment. :laugh:
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:18 AM   #13
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The full AP Poll-

1 Duke (62) 14-0 1,622
2 Michigan (3) 15-0 1,553
3 Louisville 13-1 1,447
4 Arizona 14-0 1,442
5 Indiana 13-1 1,381
6 Kansas 12-1 1,322
7 Syracuse 14-1 1,211
8 Minnesota 14-1 1,121
9 Gonzaga 15-1 1,064
10 Missouri 11-2 1,006
11 Florida 10-2 922
12 Illinois 14-2 881
13 Creighton 14-1 789
14 Butler 12-2 761
15 Ohio State 11-3 710
16 San Diego State 12-2 591
17 Notre Dame 13-1 547
18 Kansas State 12-2 472
19 Georgetown 10-2 441
20 North Carolina State 12-2 438
21 Cincinnati 13-2 375
22 Michigan State 12-3 267
23 Wichita State 14-1 135
24 UNLV 13-2 113
25 New Mexico 13-2 102

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings
It's crazy that Illinois has beaten the #9, #14, and #15 teams in the nation, and will be playing the #8 team on Wednesday.

Later on this year, we also play the #2 team twice, the #5 team once, the #8 team one more time after Wednesday, the #15 one more time, and the #22 team twice.

That's another 7 ranked opponents this year after the Wednesday night game. If everyone stays ranked, we will have played a total of 12 games this year against ranked teams. Many of those being in the top 10. That is an insane schedule.

I bet there will be teams that get an 8 seed or higher in the NCAA tournament that play 3 or less games against ranked teams.
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:18 AM   #14
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Gonzaga has beaten a whole lot of nobody for that ranking.
Their conference schedule will probably be a cupcake, but consider they still have a top-20 schedule even with that.

They're also 4-1 against the top 50. Only Arizona, Kansas Michigan, and Duke have 4 wins against top 50 opponents. Their one loss, of course, was to a top-15 team in Illinois.

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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:20 AM   #15
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Couple observations:

1) Boy, Wyoming just can't buy a break...13-0, one of four undefeated teams, and a quality win over Colorado on the road, and just now they barely sneak into ONE of the two top 25 polls.

2) Still upset that the Zags are ranked several spots higher than us, especially considering their only quality wins were at Oklahoma State and vs. K-State.

3) How is Marquette not ranked?? They beat a great Uconn team, they beat a great G-Town team, they had #14 Butler beat in Maui before that miraculous buzzer-beater, they beat Wisconsin IN Madison (always a hard thing to do). What more do you need??
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:23 AM   #16
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3) How is Marquette not ranked?? They beat a great Uconn team, they beat a great G-Town team, they had #14 Butler beat in Maui before that miraculous buzzer-beater, they beat Wisconsin IN Madison (always a hard thing to do). What more do you need??
Well, close doesn't count (Butler). UConn ("great"? LOL) and Wisconsin aren't very good this year. And they lost to UWGB.
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:27 AM   #17
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It's crazy that Illinois has beaten the #9, #14, and #15 teams in the nation, and will be playing the #8 team on Wednesday.

Later on this year, we also play the #2 team twice, the #5 team once, the #8 team one more time after Wednesday, the #15 one more time, and the #22 team twice.

That's another 7 ranked opponents this year after the Wednesday night game. If everyone stays ranked, we will have played a total of 12 games this year against ranked teams. Many of those being in the top 10. That is an insane schedule.

I bet there will be teams that get an 8 seed or higher in the NCAA tournament that play 3 or less games against ranked teams.
We already have as many top 50 wins this year as we did all of last year. The Purdue loss is a real killer for us in the RPI, but that being said, we're still top 10 in the RPI to this point. We're probably going to put up 15 games against the top 50 overall this year. If you recall, we had 13 games against the top 50 last year, and went 3-10 in those games.

In other words, this team is already on the cusp of eclipsing last year's team in success. They just need to keep their heads on straight.

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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:29 AM   #18
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As a previous poster said, my biggest beef is with Gonzaga being ranked so highly. Yes, they beat ranked Kansas St. and Oklahoma St., but I think the Big 12 or whatever it is now, is down quite a bit, so not sure how good those teams really are just yet. And, the fact that we handled Gonzaga quite easily on their home court should mean that we should be ranked ahead of them. While I think Minnesota is good, we will find out just how good in a couple of days, they haven't really beaten anyone other than MSU and they are highly ranked and Florida hasn't really beaten anyone either, and they are quite highly ranked; so those two would be things I would question, as well. However, with all that being said, who would have thought this team would be ranked where it is today? Just pleased as punch to be able to keep saying we are a top 15 team.
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:30 AM   #19
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Well, close doesn't count (Butler).

UConn ("great"? LOL)

Wisconsin aren't very good this year.
If close doesn't count, why did Arizona move down a spot after "close" victories against Colorado and Utah? According to you, pollers don't take into account "close" games. If they don't, why did the Wildcats move down a spot after playing two close games?

Yes, UConn is great! Beat #14 MSU early in the season, were ranked after just a week of play, have a new head coach that is turning this squad around, and also beat Washington on the road. They're 10-2.

That would be Wisconsin isn't very good. And any win in the Kohl's Center should still be a resume "enhancer."

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Couple observations:

1) Boy, Wyoming just can't buy a break...13-0, one of four undefeated teams, and a quality win over Colorado on the road, and just now they barely sneak into ONE of the two top 25 polls.

2) Still upset that the Zags are ranked several spots higher than us, especially considering their only quality wins were at Oklahoma State and vs. K-State.

3) How is Marquette not ranked?? They beat a great Uconn team, they beat a great G-Town team, they had #14 Butler beat in Maui before that miraculous buzzer-beater, they beat Wisconsin IN Madison (always a hard thing to do). What more do you need??
All of the teams you mentioned with Marquette are teams that don't exactly pass the eye test. Wisky looks awful at times. Georgetown is a porous offensive team, and the Butler game wasn't even a win. It does change things if they win that though.

I looked up Wyoming to get a sense of why they aren't quite ranked in all polls yet. RPI does them at 24, one of the rare times it matches up with a poll ever. However, their schedule strength is 209th in the country. The next highest team with a SOS over 200th is Louisiana St at 212. Their RPI is 52nd in the country. La Tech is 12-3, so a loss for Wyoming would probably be devastating for them at any point in the season.

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The difference between Arizona and Louisville is all of 5 votes. Really, it was sheer luck they moved down.

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The difference between Arizona and Louisville is all of 5 votes. Really, it was sheer luck they moved down.
Ah yes, but you see, the voting was close, and according to WesterveltVictoryCigar...close doesn't count. So regardless, Arizona is the 4th best team in the country currently.
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As a previous poster said, my biggest beef is with Gonzaga being ranked so highly. Yes, they beat ranked Kansas St. and Oklahoma St., but I think the Big 12 or whatever it is now, is down quite a bit, so not sure how good those teams really are just yet. And, the fact that we handled Gonzaga quite easily on their home court should mean that we should be ranked ahead of them. While I think Minnesota is good, we will find out just how good in a couple of days, they haven't really beaten anyone other than MSU and they are highly ranked and Florida hasn't really beaten anyone either, and they are quite highly ranked; so those two would be things I would question, as well. However, with all that being said, who would have thought this team would be ranked where it is today? Just pleased as punch to be able to keep saying we are a top 15 team.
Well, Gonzaga only has 1 loss and we have 2, so that's why they deserve to be ahead of us at this point. I think we're the better team, but we shouldn't have lost to Purdue, and since we did, they deserve a higher ranking.
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Old Jan 7, 2013, 11:51 AM   #24
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I can't figure out how Michigan State dropped 4 spots. Lost to #9 team in nation in a game that was closer than score indicates and then crushed Purdue. O well... just hoped they stay ranked until we beat 'em!
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As a previous poster said, my biggest beef is with Gonzaga being ranked so highly. Yes, they beat ranked Kansas St. and Oklahoma St., but I think the Big 12 or whatever it is now, is down quite a bit, so not sure how good those teams really are just yet. And, the fact that we handled Gonzaga quite easily on their home court should mean that we should be ranked ahead of them. While I think Minnesota is good, we will find out just how good in a couple of days, they haven't really beaten anyone other than MSU and they are highly ranked and Florida hasn't really beaten anyone either, and they are quite highly ranked; so those two would be things I would question, as well. However, with all that being said, who would have thought this team would be ranked where it is today? Just pleased as punch to be able to keep saying we are a top 15 team.
I'm loving that Gonzaga is ranked that high right now. Just makes our resume look that much better. Right now Gonzaga is looking to be a Top 10 ranked team for sure. They very well might be Top 5 with the way their schedule plays out.

Just checked and saw Gonzaga plays @Butler too. Should be an interesting watch for Illini fans.
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