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Old Sep 6, 2017, 09:59 AM   #1
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Thought this was interesting, but didn't know where to post as it's an article related to bball recruiting generally. Some scathing quotes in there.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...aa-not-my-boss
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 10:13 AM   #2
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Man, call me spiteful, but I really hope Lamello doesn't make it to the league. Doesn't seem like a sure-fire 1st rounder, anyways.
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 12:00 PM   #3
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The ignorant get ignoranter...
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 12:01 PM   #4
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Hmm, what about high school eligibility? Is he willing to sit out three, four years? Is the NBA willing to risk a top five, ten pick on a kid who has not played on a team for that amount of time?

Is anyone going to spend $395 for a high school kid's shoe?

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Old Sep 6, 2017, 12:02 PM   #5
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The ignorant get ignoranter...
Is this you saying that if someone threw you a shoe contract at 15, you'd turn it down?
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 12:07 PM   #6
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Is this you saying that if someone threw you a shoe contract at 15, you'd turn it down?
No, its me saying if i was the parent of a kid just trying to make it to college basketball i dont think i would be testing the NCAA on it.

Just me, though.
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 12:21 PM   #7
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No, its me saying if i was the parent of a kid just trying to make it to college basketball i dont think i would be testing the NCAA on it.

Just me, though.
Don't underestimate the walking epitome of an ego that is Lavar Ball.
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 12:57 PM   #8
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Is this you saying that if someone threw you a shoe contract at 15, you'd turn it down?
Can the rule be circumvented by creating a trust, where all the money goes and it doesn't get touched, until he no longer has to worry about amateur status? I hope not, but I am just thinking. It is a terrible precedent to set.
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 01:08 PM   #9
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how is this different than a kid getting allowance from his parents? If it's his father's company, isn't he allowed to get shoes from his dad? Didn't Jeffrey Jordan wear Jordans when he was with the Illini?
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 01:28 PM   #10
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Hmm, what about high school eligibility? Is he willing to sit out three, four years? Is the NBA willing to risk a top five, ten pick on a kid who has not played on a team for that amount of time?
This actually circles back to why the NBA having a minimum age requirement is un-American. They're basically telling these kids they can't make money playing professionally here until they're at least 19 but they also can't make money on their own or else the'll be banned from competing by the NCAA (and high school). How does this make sense?
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 01:46 PM   #11
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It makes sense because both HS and college sports are, so far at least, for amateurs.
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 01:56 PM   #12
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It makes sense because both HS and college sports are, so far at least, for amateurs.
Ah, the collusion argument, er I mean amateurism argument. Is that you, Mark Emmert?
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 02:07 PM   #13
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This actually circles back to why the NBA having a minimum age requirement is un-American. They're basically telling these kids they can't make money playing professionally here until they're at least 19 but they also can't make money on their own or else the'll be banned from competing by the NCAA (and high school). How does this make sense?
I think it circles back to 1) GM's not being very disciplined about which high schoolers they select to give huge guaranteed contracts to, 2) the NCAA's desire to continue to be the minor league for the NBA without paying their minor league players, and 3) the fact that kids aren't willing to embrace the existing NCAA alternatives.
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 02:10 PM   #14
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Ah, the collusion argument, er I mean amateurism argument. Is that you, Mark Emmert?
To me the fundamental question is why do college sports exist in the first place? Call me naive (and I fully will admit to it), but I still believe that college sports should first and foremost be a supplement to the overall educational experience. As soon as you are able to benefit financially purely by playing the sport, that concept goes out the window.

In my perfect (read: naive) world, if a kid wants to go pro in whatever sport, and the teams of that sport think he/she is ready, by all means, go ahead. But if you're receiving a scholarship for a given school to play a sport there, the implicit (and should be explicit) goal should be to supplement your education. It's already true for a vast majority of student athletes, not sure why there's an arbitrary distinction (the whole revenue sport argument is an entirely separate one, imo). Create minor leagues for those that want to fully focus on the sport and pay them to be in those leagues.

in the case of LaMelo, his dad did not once mention (at least in what's quoted) the educational side of the equation. If he feels that his son does not need further education and is confident enough that he will be a successful pro athlete - go for it. And make all the $$ you can in the process. But a subsidized college education should not be a part of that process.
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 02:47 PM   #15
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Let me get a bucket of popcorn and some 3D glasses to watch LaVar throw down with the NCAA.
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 02:59 PM   #16
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Let me get a bucket of popcorn and some 3D glasses to watch LaVar throw down with the NCAA.
Don't forget your favorite drink.

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Old Sep 6, 2017, 03:34 PM   #17
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It makes sense because both HS and college sports are, so far at least, for amateurs.
Agree with this but do not agree with the NCAA making money on the kids name. If jerseys etc sold with the kids number the money should not go to NCAA. Are they an organization for amateurs or a for profit organization for their management. They used to be volunteers.
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 09:25 PM   #18
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I actually think Lavar is a complete moron and am sick of hearing from him, HOWEVER, I generally agree with what he is saying. His kid is two years away from being a part of the NCAA, so they shouldn't have anything to do with this kid. Sick of the NCAA trying to control everything.
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Old Sep 7, 2017, 09:30 AM   #19
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Agree with this but do not agree with the NCAA making money on the kids name. If jerseys etc sold with the kids number the money should not go to NCAA. Are they an organization for amateurs or a for profit organization for their management. They used to be volunteers.
Are you seriously asking this question? The NCAA would sell organs from student-athletes if they didn't think the negative publicity would hurt their bottom line more than the increase in revenue from livers and kidneys.
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Old Sep 9, 2017, 02:03 AM   #20
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I actually think Lavar is a complete moron and am sick of hearing from him, HOWEVER, I generally agree with what he is saying. His kid is two years away from being a part of the NCAA, so they shouldn't have anything to do with this kid. Sick of the NCAA trying to control everything.
this is my perspective too. Lavar is a moron,...but the NCAA is generally overcontrolling.
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Old Sep 10, 2017, 08:15 AM   #21
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Hmm, what about high school eligibility? Is he willing to sit out three, four years? Is the NBA willing to risk a top five, ten pick on a kid who has not played on a team for that amount of time?

Is anyone going to spend $395 for a high school kid's shoe?
$395? Seems ridiculous as does $495 just because the eldest Ball kid endorses the shoe.
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Old Sep 10, 2017, 08:19 AM   #22
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Got my preorder in yesterday.



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Old Sep 10, 2017, 09:23 AM   #23
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Just looked at their website.

An autographed pair of Lonzo shoes goes for $1,195. A pair of slides goes for $220.

I wonder what sales have been so far?

Edit: Article a few months old but it looks like pre-orders were Matt and 499 other people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbn...orsement-brand

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Old Sep 11, 2017, 05:54 PM   #24
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Just looked at their website.

An autographed pair of Lonzo shoes goes for $1,195. A pair of slides goes for $220.

I wonder what sales have been so far?

Edit: Article a few months old but it looks like pre-orders were Matt and 499 other people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbn...orsement-brand
anyone who pays $1195 for shoes...,well congrats on a great investment, maybe. I guess shoes have become the new version of art collections?
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Old Sep 11, 2017, 06:07 PM   #25
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I'm guessing a majority of the ppl that are buying the lonzo 1s now are hoping that he crashes and burns so hard that the shoes gain value in infamy

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