Official 2010 Illini Football Recruiting Thread

Groundhogday · Jan 15, 2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blmillini

I think it is interesting that more Turner recruits seem to have made it in the NFL than Zook recruits... doesn't say much for 4/5 stars.

Very bad comparison. Turner was at Illinois for 8 years and all of his recruits have used up their eligibility. Zook has been here for five years and most of his recruits have NOT used up their eligibility. You would have to look at Turner's record as of 2000.

More importantly, we all saw quite clearly in 2003 and 2004 that recruiting highly regarded prospects does matter.

Zook's probably is NOT that he recruited to many highly regarded players and great athletes. The problem is that he did a terrible job of coaching those athletes.

blmillini · Jan 15, 2010, 05:26 PM

I agree to some extent and disagree as well. I do think coaching has an impact but it is also true that too many have been lazy and too many are not very smart. What I would like to see is an effort to identify smart "football" players not just athletes. I would much rather have a 3 star smart "football" player than a 4/5 star athlete that isn't either smart enough or motivated enough to give the program his all. I believe those issues are as much to blame as coaching and would like to see our staff focus a little more on character, attitude and intelligence in addition to the number of stars that some random analyst assigns to a kid because he runs a 4.2, weighs 320 pounds or has an offer from ND.

DaytonIllini · Jan 15, 2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

Very bad comparison. Turner was at Illinois for 8 years and all of his recruits have used up their eligibility. Zook has been here for five years and most of his recruits have NOT used up their eligibility. You would have to look at Turner's record as of 2000.

More importantly, we all saw quite clearly in 2003 and 2004 that recruiting highly regarded prospects does matter.

Zook's probably is NOT that he recruited to many highly regarded players and great athletes. The problem is that he did a terrible job of coaching those athletes.

Another of Zook's problems and by extension our problems is that he seemed to get more than his fair share of 4 star recruits with social or educational problems. We may have actually gotten these 'highly regarded' players to come to Illinois IN PART at least because other top schools steered away from some talented players with 'other issues'.

Illini125 · Jan 15, 2010, 05:52 PM

So here's something offtopic, but could rivals have chosen a worse picture to use on this guy's profile? Why even put a picture up if you're going to choose that one

http://rivals.yahoo.com/connecticut/...uce-Coon-87662

Groundhogday · Jan 15, 2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blmillini

I agree to some extent and disagree as well. I do think coaching has an impact but it is also true that too many have been lazy and too many are not very smart. What I would like to see is an effort to identify smart "football" players not just athletes. I would much rather have a 3 star smart "football" player than a 4/5 star athlete that isn't either smart enough or motivated enough to give the program his all. I believe those issues are as much to blame as coaching and would like to see our staff focus a little more on character, attitude and intelligence in addition to the number of stars that some random analyst assigns to a kid because he runs a 4.2, weighs 320 pounds or has an offer from ND.

Here are the 4-5 star Zook recruits
Yes, there have been some washouts. But many of these guys have been our best players. Are you telling me that we would have been better off not recruiting 4-5 star players?

Rashard Mendenhall, RB
Ismail Abdunafi , DT (washout)
Derrick McPhearson, WR (criminal)
Isiah Williams QB 4-year starter
Jeff Cumberland , 4-year starter
Chris Duvalt, 2-year starter
Chris James, injured, reserve
Marques Wilkins, transferred for more playing time
Rahkeem Smith, reserve FB and DL
Arrelious Benn WR, one of our best players
Martez Wilson DE, still finding his role but a starter
Craig Wilson OL, reserve
Josh Brent, DL, 2 year starter heading into senior year
Mark Jackson, OL, washout
D'Angelo McCray DT, washout
Anthony Morris DB, didn't qualify
Donsay Hardeman DB, frustrating player, starter when healthy
Corey Liuget DT, our best DL
Reggie Ellis DT, transferred for playing time.
Hubie Graham TE, would have been the starter this year
Graham Pocic OL, borderline starter as RS soph
Cordale Scott WR, not cut out for WR, transferred
Justin Green DB, spot duty as true FR
Terry Hawthorne WR, staring as true FR
Michael Buchanan DE, great signs
Lendell Buckner DT, redshirted, too early to tell
Bud Golden RB, redshirted, too early to tell
Leon Hill OL, redshirted, too early to tell
Nathan Scheelhaase QB, redshirted, too early to tell
Whitmer QB, just arrived

Groundhogday · Jan 15, 2010, 06:04 PM

Let me just add that I also consider 3-star recruits with multiple high-major offers to be top recruits. The problem this year is that we are having a very hard time landing these guys as well. It isn't just about getting 4-5 star players.

DaytonIllini · Jan 15, 2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

Here are the 4-5 star Zook recruits
Yes, there have been some washouts. But many of these guys have been our best players. Are you telling me that we would have been better off not recruiting 4-5 star players?

Rashard Mendenhall, RB
Ismail Abdunafi , DT (washout)
Derrick McPhearson, WR (criminal)
Isiah Williams QB 4-year starter
Jeff Cumberland , 4-year starter
Chris Duvalt, 2-year starter
Chris James, injured, reserve
Marques Wilkins, transferred for more playing time
Rahkeem Smith, reserve FB and DL
Arrelious Benn WR, one of our best players
Martez Wilson DE, still finding his role but a starter
Craig Wilson OL, reserve
Josh Brent, DL, 2 year starter heading into senior year
Mark Jackson, OL, washout
D'Angelo McCray DT, washout
Anthony Morris DB, didn't qualify
Donsay Hardeman DB, frustrating player, starter when healthy
Corey Liuget DT, our best DL
Reggie Ellis DT, transferred for playing time.
Hubie Graham TE, would have been the starter this year
Graham Pocic OL, borderline starter as RS soph
Cordale Scott WR, not cut out for WR, transferred
Justin Green DB, spot duty as true FR
Terry Hawthorne WR, staring as true FR
Michael Buchanan DE, great signs
Lendell Buckner DT, redshirted, too early to tell
Bud Golden RB, redshirted, too early to tell
Leon Hill OL, redshirted, too early to tell
Nathan Scheelhaase QB, redshirted, too early to tell
Whitmer QB, just arrived

That is a pretty bad track record for 4* players. Consider that almost 50% of those player contributed nothing or next to nothing (excluding the RS Freshmen) on a team that is not laden with talent. I would expect a 4* player to have a higher chance of failure at USC or Texas or Florida where the backups are all 3* or better but at Illinois? 80-90% success rates wouldn't seem unreasonable.

blmillini · Jan 15, 2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

Here are the 4-5 star Zook recruits
Yes, there have been some washouts. But many of these guys have been our best players. Are you telling me that we would have been better off not recruiting 4-5 star players?

Rashard Mendenhall, RB
Ismail Abdunafi , DT (washout)
Derrick McPhearson, WR (criminal)
Isiah Williams QB 4-year starter
Jeff Cumberland , 4-year starter
Chris Duvalt, 2-year starter
Chris James, injured, reserve
Marques Wilkins, transferred for more playing time
Rahkeem Smith, reserve FB and DL
Arrelious Benn WR, one of our best players
Martez Wilson DE, still finding his role but a starter
Craig Wilson OL, reserve
Josh Brent, DL, 2 year starter heading into senior year
Mark Jackson, OL, washout
D'Angelo McCray DT, washout
Anthony Morris DB, didn't qualify
Donsay Hardeman DB, frustrating player, starter when healthy
Corey Liuget DT, our best DL
Reggie Ellis DT, transferred for playing time.
Hubie Graham TE, would have been the starter this year
Graham Pocic OL, borderline starter as RS soph
Cordale Scott WR, not cut out for WR, transferred
Justin Green DB, spot duty as true FR
Terry Hawthorne WR, staring as true FR
Michael Buchanan DE, great signs
Lendell Buckner DT, redshirted, too early to tell
Bud Golden RB, redshirted, too early to tell
Leon Hill OL, redshirted, too early to tell
Nathan Scheelhaase QB, redshirted, too early to tell
Whitmer QB, just arrived

Mendenhall wasn't a Zook recruit.

Many of the comments listed seem to actually support my point.

I do think they have done a much better job with more recent recruits and perhaps that was intentional given the issues with some of the earlier recruits. I'm not suggesting that we not recruit 4/5 star players but I am suggesting that we look at more than just the stars when doing the evaluation. I think there are plenty of 3's I would much rather have than some of the 4's and 5's you can sometimes get. I am just saying that I am okay with it and hope it means the staff will do a better job of evaluating than has been the case in the past.

Additionally, I don't think being the better players on the recent teams has been much to brag about.

GEO408 · Jan 15, 2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blmillini

Mendenhall wasn't a Zook recruit.

Many of the comments listed seem to actually support my point.

I do think they have done a much better job with more recent recruits and perhaps that was intentional given the issues with some of the earlier recruits. I'm not suggesting that we not recruit 4/5 star players but I am suggesting that we look at more than just the stars when doing the evaluation. I think there are plenty of 3's I would much rather have than some of the 4's and 5's you can sometimes get. I am just saying that I am okay with it and hope it means the staff will do a better job of evaluating than has been the case in the past.

Additionally, I don't think being the better players on the recent teams has been much to brag about.

Are you sure? I thought that he committed early to the ILLINI while Turner was there then recommitted to Zook prior to signing day. It was 2005.

AHSIllini32 · Jan 15, 2010, 07:56 PM

GHD- I'm sure you would agree that you would rather have Zook and co. spending time on the highly rated recruits that we had a good shot at getting, which was a healthy amount. I don't think they targeted ANYONE that they knew wasn't coming to Illinois. That just doesn't make sense. Everyone they targeted had a fairly decent level of interest in Illinois at one point.

Either way, with the coaching turnover and the season we had, these kind of things should have been expected which I know you agree. Also, the good thing is that the kids we are getting seem to be getting fairly good praise from those around them who have seen them. Also, with the ability of the new coaches we have brought in to judge/develop talent, I can't help but trust their judgement even with the "under the radar guys". Petrino really wanted Spencer Harris at Arkansas for example so I'm not going to sit here and say "I hope he can turn into a player but the odds are against it". Not saying that you are saying that but just giving an example.

Paignt It Orange · Jan 15, 2010, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AHSIllini32

GHD- I'm sure you would agree that you would rather have Zook and co. spending time on the highly rated recruits that we had a good shot at getting, which was a healthy amount. I don't think they targeted ANYONE that they knew wasn't coming to Illinois. That just doesn't make sense. Everyone they targeted had a fairly decent level of interest in Illinois at one point.

Either way, with the coaching turnover and the season we had, these kind of things should have been expected which I know you agree. Also, the good thing is that the kids we are getting seem to be getting fairly good praise from those around them who have seen them. Also, with the ability of the new coaches we have brought in to judge/develop talent, I can't help but trust their judgement even with the "under the radar guys". Petrino really wanted Spencer Harris at Arkansas for example so I'm not going to sit here and say "I hope he can turn into a player but the odds are against it". Not saying that you are saying that but just giving an example.

Hopefully Koenning had some guys at KSU that they wouldn't let him go after and maybe we can hook em.

blmillini · Jan 15, 2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GEO408

Are you sure? I thought that he committed early to the ILLINI while Turner was there then recommitted to Zook prior to signing day. It was 2005.

He committed in 2003. As is typical when there are coaching changes, there were rumors about him possibly not coming when Zook took over. But, in the end he honored his verbal commitment and signed with Zook officially the coach.

Groundhogday · Jan 15, 2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AHSIllini32

GHD- I'm sure you would agree that you would rather have Zook and co. spending time on the highly rated recruits that we had a good shot at getting, which was a healthy amount. I don't think they targeted ANYONE that they knew wasn't coming to Illinois. That just doesn't make sense. Everyone they targeted had a fairly decent level of interest in Illinois at one point.

Either way, with the coaching turnover and the season we had, these kind of things should have been expected which I know you agree. Also, the good thing is that the kids we are getting seem to be getting fairly good praise from those around them who have seen them. Also, with the ability of the new coaches we have brought in to judge/develop talent, I can't help but trust their judgement even with the "under the radar guys". Petrino really wanted Spencer Harris at Arkansas for example so I'm not going to sit here and say "I hope he can turn into a player but the odds are against it". Not saying that you are saying that but just giving an example.

1) Yes, I'm sure we really did have a VERY good shot at most of the highly rated recruits targeted in the spring of 2009. But the poor results of 2008 cast some doubt and the dismal 2009 season chased most of them away. Again, I'm not blaming Zook for their recruiting strategy in the spring/summer of 2009. Just pointing out the consequences of aiming high and missing badly. I do think the staff were a slow to realize they were in trouble this fall... both on the field and in recruiting. Zook has rose-colored contact lenses that keep him from seeing problems.

2) Actually I see some encouraging signs with Spencer Harris. Paul Petrino had the opportunity to work closely with him, and he was the best WR in their camp. Paul really wanted him offered at AR. And Paul pushed Zook to offer as soon has he arrived. He could turn into a very nice possession receiver. Sorry, I'm just not as encouraged by Williams. I take things on a case-by-case basis.

3) Be careful with the "we should trust the coaches" thing. How many times did we say that about Turner's QB recruits? College coaches are the best talent evaluators. The best way for us to read their minds is to look at which schools have offered. If I see a lot of good programs offering a kid, that is usually a good sign. Collective wisdom. Sometimes a guy can be overlooked because he blossomed late, plays at a very small school, or has intangibles that are hard to evaluate with a few minutes of film. But overall, I rather be competing with the top schools for our recruits.

Groundhogday · Jan 15, 2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by blmillini

Mendenhall wasn't a Zook recruit.

Technically, yes he was. He was in the class of 2005, Zook's first class. He committed to Turner, but Zook had to re-recruit him when Turner was fired.

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Originally Posted by blmillini

Many of the comments listed seem to actually support my point.

Then let me suggest that you don't understand the statistics of college football. Teams sign, on average 25 players every year. Through attrition, you only have 85 on scholarship. Of those 85, two dozen are starters. Of those starters, half a dozen might be your "stars" and potentially go on for an NFL career. Why don't you take a bit of time and run this same analysis for the 3-star and 2-star recruits Zook has signed. I would bet the results are worse.

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Originally Posted by blmillini

I do think they have done a much better job with more recent recruits and perhaps that was intentional given the issues with some of the earlier recruits. I'm not suggesting that we not recruit 4/5 star players but I am suggesting that we look at more than just the stars when doing the evaluation. I think there are plenty of 3's I would much rather have than some of the 4's and 5's you can sometimes get. I am just saying that I am okay with it and hope it means the staff will do a better job of evaluating than has been the case in the past.

It is a mistake to think of a 3 star recruit as under the radar. These are VERY good recruits with a high probability of success at the college level. Three star recruits have accounted for most of the past five recruiting classes for Zook... highly rated classes. The trouble right now is that we are really struggling to land the good 3-star recruits.

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Originally Posted by blmillini

Additionally, I don't think being the better players on the recent teams has been much to brag about.

Without those players we would have been even worse.

RHITIllini · Jan 15, 2010, 11:08 PM

I think like some people have said, player character has a LOT to do with it. For instance, Moe Dampeer was an Army All-American D-Tackle from Decatur, IL. Got a schollie to a national championship contending Oklahoma team, but Moe's big fat dumb self slacked all through school and dropped out after his soph season of football and is now back in Decatur. On the flip side (I'm a decatur guy btw). BRIT MILLER. Not the highest rated guy (a 3-star... and FWIW J Leman was a 2 star), but Brit was nothin but a guy who worked hard and earned what he got and really made it count. You recruit just as much on motivation as you do on skill anymore because alot of these "playmakers" are also "playtakers" and dont go hard every play the way that someone who gives their all would

Groundhogday · Jan 15, 2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RHITIllini

I think like some people have said, player character has a LOT to do with it. For instance, Moe Dampeer was an Army All-American D-Tackle from Decatur, IL. Got a schollie to a national championship contending Oklahoma team, but Moe's big fat dumb self slacked all through school and dropped out after his soph season of football and is now back in Decatur. On the flip side (I'm a decatur guy btw). BRIT MILLER. Not the highest rated guy (a 3-star... and FWIW J Leman was a 2 star), but Brit was nothin but a guy who worked hard and earned what he got and really made it count. You recruit just as much on motivation as you do on skill anymore because alot of these "playmakers" are also "playtakers" and dont go hard every play the way that someone who gives their all would

You will find that defensive tackles have a high washout rate for most universities. Athletic DT's are extremely hard to find, so the laws of supply and demand inflate their value and rankings. We take chances on DT's (they disproportionately account for our 4 star washouts) and every other school does the same thing. Top cover CB's are also extremely hard to find, so schools will take chances there as well. Good QBs and LT's would be somewhere on that list as well.

My point is that it wouldn't be at all unusual to find lazy 4 star DT's playing along side hard working 3 star LB's. Hard charging LB's are generally not that hard to find... though we certainly went through a spell without bothering to recruit any.

By the way, Miller and Leman were both 3 stars on Rivals.

WesterveltVictoryCigar · Jan 16, 2010, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AHSIllini32

how do you know that's who RyanE was talking about?

Assume you're responding to my post? Is "RyanE" the illlinination poster?

I don't "know" that Frangie is what he's talking about, but it's pretty much verbatim what Frank did post on Scout, so I'll go out on a limb and say that's where he got it.

jeffs · Jan 16, 2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

...Good QBs and LT's would be somewhere on that list as well....

Ron Turner begs to disagree and suggests that you move QB to the top of the list.

Kasino81 · Jan 16, 2010, 09:07 AM

I saw what Iowa did this year with basically all 3*, so if these guys have got good character i'm all for it.

AHSIllini32 · Jan 16, 2010, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by WesterveltVictoryCigar

Assume you're responding to my post? Is "RyanE" the illlinination poster?

I don't "know" that Frangie is what he's talking about, but it's pretty much verbatim what Frank did post on Scout, so I'll go out on a limb and say that's where he got it.

Yes I was and yes it is him that I'm talking about. I just didn't know if you were sure that's who he was talking about or not...I don't have a membership over there or I would ask him.

bigdaddyshane35 · Jan 16, 2010, 09:20 AM

Miles Simpson is visting today he is the best running back i ever seen. I have watched shaun alexzander play in highschool along with alot of others Miles had 44 tds this year he is a game changer! Also Tate Nichols TE is going to be a better te than tackle hes more around 6-6 240 no where near 278 i seen him play he has great hands. There both great players on defense but i would rather see them play RB and TE!!!!!

Paignt It Orange · Jan 16, 2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdaddyshane35

Miles Simpson is visting today he is the best running back i ever seen. I have watched shaun alexzander play in highschool along with alot of others Miles had 44 tds this year he is a game changer! Also Tate Nichols TE is going to be a better te than tackle hes more around 6-6 240 no where near 278 i seen him play he has great hands. There both great players on defense but i would rather see them play RB and TE!!!!!

Sold sign em up

bigdaddyshane35 · Jan 16, 2010, 09:36 AM

I have watched most of Miles Simpson's games he was hurt the first half of the season usuallly only played the first half if he played with an ankle injury but still performed better than most. When he played the entire game he was getting 150 yards to 200 plus yards 3 to 5 tds a game. Miles is 6-3 205 and hes nothing but muscle ripped hes and runs a 4.55 if he cant out run them he runs them over!!! Hes got plenty of highlights on youtube.

Paignt It Orange · Jan 16, 2010, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdaddyshane35

I have watched most of Miles Simpson's games he was hurt the first half of the season usuallly only played the first half if he played with an ankle injury but still performed better than most. When he played the entire game he was getting 150 yards to 200 plus yards 3 to 5 tds a game. Miles is 6-3 205 and hes nothing but muscle ripped hes and runs a 4.55 if he cant out run them he runs them over!!! Hes got plenty of highlights on youtube.

Did he play on defense? Not saying he will be moved there, but I heard they are recruiting him as an ATH.

bigdaddyshane35 · Jan 16, 2010, 09:44 AM

Miles didnt play much defense is Sr year just so they could keep him fresh but he did play on all the special teams hes a excellent blocker and probaly one of the hardest hitters his JR year he played alot of defense and was a head hunter he will make a good safety or linebacker but hes the best running back i ever seen so where ever he goes to school i hope he plays running back.

Jan 15, 2010, 05:26 PM	#2252
blmillini Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 2,007	I agree to some extent and disagree as well. I do think coaching has an impact but it is also true that too many have been lazy and too many are not very smart. What I would like to see is an effort to identify smart "football" players not just athletes. I would much rather have a 3 star smart "football" player than a 4/5 star athlete that isn't either smart enough or motivated enough to give the program his all. I believe those issues are as much to blame as coaching and would like to see our staff focus a little more on character, attitude and intelligence in addition to the number of stars that some random analyst assigns to a kid because he runs a 4.2, weighs 320 pounds or has an offer from ND.

Jan 15, 2010, 05:52 PM	#2254
Illini125 Posts: 1,598	So here's something offtopic, but could rivals have chosen a worse picture to use on this guy's profile? Why even put a picture up if you're going to choose that one http://rivals.yahoo.com/connecticut/...uce-Coon-87662

Jan 15, 2010, 06:04 PM	#2256
Groundhogday Posts: 18,085	Let me just add that I also consider 3-star recruits with multiple high-major offers to be top recruits. The problem this year is that we are having a very hard time landing these guys as well. It isn't just about getting 4-5 star players.

Jan 15, 2010, 07:56 PM	#2260
AHSIllini32 Posts: 6,989	GHD- I'm sure you would agree that you would rather have Zook and co. spending time on the highly rated recruits that we had a good shot at getting, which was a healthy amount. I don't think they targeted ANYONE that they knew wasn't coming to Illinois. That just doesn't make sense. Everyone they targeted had a fairly decent level of interest in Illinois at one point. Either way, with the coaching turnover and the season we had, these kind of things should have been expected which I know you agree. Also, the good thing is that the kids we are getting seem to be getting fairly good praise from those around them who have seen them. Also, with the ability of the new coaches we have brought in to judge/develop talent, I can't help but trust their judgement even with the "under the radar guys". Petrino really wanted Spencer Harris at Arkansas for example so I'm not going to sit here and say "I hope he can turn into a player but the odds are against it". Not saying that you are saying that but just giving an example.

Jan 15, 2010, 11:08 PM	#2265
RHITIllini Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,751	I think like some people have said, player character has a LOT to do with it. For instance, Moe Dampeer was an Army All-American D-Tackle from Decatur, IL. Got a schollie to a national championship contending Oklahoma team, but Moe's big fat dumb self slacked all through school and dropped out after his soph season of football and is now back in Decatur. On the flip side (I'm a decatur guy btw). BRIT MILLER. Not the highest rated guy (a 3-star... and FWIW J Leman was a 2 star), but Brit was nothin but a guy who worked hard and earned what he got and really made it count. You recruit just as much on motivation as you do on skill anymore because alot of these "playmakers" are also "playtakers" and dont go hard every play the way that someone who gives their all would

Jan 16, 2010, 09:07 AM	#2269
Kasino81 Banned Location: Edwardsville, IL Posts: 3,388	I saw what Iowa did this year with basically all 3*, so if these guys have got good character i'm all for it.

Jan 16, 2010, 09:20 AM	#2271
bigdaddyshane35 Posts: 74	Miles Simpson is visting today he is the best running back i ever seen. I have watched shaun alexzander play in highschool along with alot of others Miles had 44 tds this year he is a game changer! Also Tate Nichols TE is going to be a better te than tackle hes more around 6-6 240 no where near 278 i seen him play he has great hands. There both great players on defense but i would rather see them play RB and TE!!!!!

Jan 16, 2010, 09:36 AM	#2273
bigdaddyshane35 Posts: 74	I have watched most of Miles Simpson's games he was hurt the first half of the season usuallly only played the first half if he played with an ankle injury but still performed better than most. When he played the entire game he was getting 150 yards to 200 plus yards 3 to 5 tds a game. Miles is 6-3 205 and hes nothing but muscle ripped hes and runs a 4.55 if he cant out run them he runs them over!!! Hes got plenty of highlights on youtube.

Jan 16, 2010, 09:44 AM	#2275
bigdaddyshane35 Posts: 74	Miles didnt play much defense is Sr year just so they could keep him fresh but he did play on all the special teams hes a excellent blocker and probaly one of the hardest hitters his JR year he played alot of defense and was a head hunter he will make a good safety or linebacker but hes the best running back i ever seen so where ever he goes to school i hope he plays running back.