The Illinois Coaching Search

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sacraig

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Who cares what Holtmann thinks? He thinks it was a bad decision because he is personal friends with Groce. That's great, stick up for your friend. But from a purely objective programmatic standpoint, it was the obviously correct decision. You can be a great guy but if you don't produce winning results, you can't keep a job in this business based only on charisma and morals.
 
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dweebs19 said:
well, the way it's going, Bryce Drew might be available today as well. I had Vandy in my bracket though
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Long ways to go, but if he is being targeted by Whitman, that would be a sucky narrative that he got eliminated by the first Northwestern team to ever make the tourney. Would be a rough last game before one's tenure at Illinois.
 
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IlliniForTheWin

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sacraig said:
Who cares what Holtmann thinks? He thinks it was a bad decision because he is personal friends with Groce. That's great, stick up for your friend. But from a purely objective programmatic standpoint, it was the obviously correct decision. You can be a great guy but if you don't produce winning results, you can't keep a job in this business based only on charisma and morals.
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I agree. Coaches stick with coaches. Especially B1G coaches. Coaches like Izzo tend to get mad when terrible coaches like Groce are fired. He knows he might be replaced with someone worth a crap.
 
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ILLHangOut said:
Just throwing this out there for future hind-sight... my list

#1 Monty
#2 Keatts
#3 Bennett
#4 Miller
#5 Marshall

I'd be ecstatic with all five, et al.
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I hope this isn't in order how could you have Monty who is out and Keatts ahead of the rest. Here is mine.


1. Marshall
2. Bennett
3. Miller
4. Keatts
 
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RichardKeenesHair

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GBPillini said:
Probably not going to be Chris Holtman



https://campusinsiders.com/news/butler-coach-chris-holtmann-weighs-in-tom-crean-john-groce-firings-03-16-2017/
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Groce turning the corner
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Govoner Vaugn Fan

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Based on the Lovie hire, I suspect the next coach was locked up before it was announced Groce would not be back. An official announcement has to wait for the official job
posting to expire on the 20th, and for the new coach to conclude this season, assuming he is in the NCAA or NIT.
 
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foby

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dweebs19 said:
well, the way it's going, Bryce Drew might be available today as well. I had Vandy in my bracket though
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But do we want him if we beat NW twice this year and he can't beat em once? :D
 
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sacraig said:
Who cares what Holtmann thinks? He thinks it was a bad decision because he is personal friends with Groce. That's great, stick up for your friend. But from a purely objective programmatic standpoint, it was the obviously correct decision. You can be a great guy but if you don't produce winning results, you can't keep a job in this business based only on charisma and morals.
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The point that in his view Groce and Illinois were on the verge of turning a corner has some merit. How high that ceiling was going to be is part of the reason Groce was let go.

There is a risk being taken here though. It was easy to fire Weber because the program was trending downward. Groce had some good players coming in. We lose Tilmon, and it could be rough for a few years. I know many on here say Timon doesn't matter that much. I don't agree.
 
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IlliniForTheWin

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Govoner Vaugn Fan said:
Based on the Lovie hire, I suspect the next coach was locked up before it was announced Groce would not be back. An official announcement has to wait for the official job
posting to expire on the 20th, and for the new coach to conclude this season, assuming he is in the NCAA or NIT.
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Lovie was unemployed. I hope JW doesnt hire an unemployed basketball coach.
 
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Govoner Vaugn Fan said:
Based on the Lovie hire, I suspect the next coach was locked up before it was announced Groce would not be back. An official announcement has to wait for the official job
posting to expire on the 20th, and for the new coach to conclude this season, assuming he is in the NCAA or NIT.
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I felt this way too. I hope we are right.
 
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Illwinsagain

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Cary, IL
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Govoner Vaugn Fan said:
Based on the Lovie hire, I suspect the next coach was locked up before it was announced Groce would not be back. An official announcement has to wait for the official job
posting to expire on the 20th, and for the new coach to conclude this season, assuming he is in the NCAA or NIT.
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Lots of posters implying or even stating that its a done deal. I hope they are right.

Ps - I don't know who.
 
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sacraig

sacraig
The desert
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Goldtop said:
The point that in his view Groce and Illinois were on the verge of turning a corner has some merit. How high that ceiling was going to be is part of the reason Groce was let go.

There is a risk being taken here though. It was easy to fire Weber because the program was trending downward. Groce had some good players coming in. We lose Tilmon, and it could be rough for a few years. I know many on here say Timon doesn't matter that much. I don't agree.
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Personally, I feel that Tilmon matters more from a perception standpoint than an actual on-the-court standpoint. He will be a huge boon to the team on the court if the new coach can keep him, but only likely for a year (or maybe two). I think he means more to us in the long term based on the sense that he can help make Illinois "cool" again with top recruits and it will probably give the coach instant credit for a former player in the NBA. That's more valuable in my opinion.
 
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IlliniBone

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sacraig said:
Personally, I feel that Tilmon matters more from a perception standpoint than an actual on-the-court standpoint. He will be a huge boon to the team on the court if the new coach can keep him, but only likely for a year (or maybe two). I think he means more to us in the long term based on the sense that he can help make Illinois "cool" again with top recruits and it will probably give the coach instant credit for a former player in the NBA. That's more valuable in my opinion.
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Keeping Walker, and thus keeping Tilmon, also nets you Mark Smith. Smith may actually be the most important recruit in the class.
 
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IlliniForTheWin

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Goldtop said:
The point that in his view Groce and Illinois were on the verge of turning a corner has some merit. How high that ceiling was going to be is part of the reason Groce was let go.

There is a risk being taken here though. It was easy to fire Weber because the program was trending downward. Groce had some good players coming in. We lose Tilmon, and it could be rough for a few years. I know many on here say Timon doesn't matter that much. I don't agree.
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The program has consistently trended downward following the hire of Groce. The real risk was keeping groce, not firing him.

Tilmon matters. :thumb:
 
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sacraig

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IlliniBone said:
Keeping Walker, and thus keeping Tilmon, also nets you Mark Smith. Smith may actually be the most important recruit in the class.
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I feel like there has to be some means of hanging on to Tilmon and/or landing Smith without the new coach retaining Walker but it certainly seems like that would greatly improve the chances. All I know is that I hope we get it figured out soon so that we can worry about something other than losing great recruits and/or being left at the altar by our perceived top coaching targets.

After moving to Arizona and seeing more of their games, it just makes me that much more hungry to see Illinois be constantly relevant in basketball again.
 
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Ga65

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sacraig said:
Personally, I feel that Tilmon matters more from a perception standpoint than an actual on-the-court standpoint. He will be a huge boon to the team on the court if the new coach can keep him, but only likely for a year (or maybe two). I think he means more to us in the long term based on the sense that he can help make Illinois "cool" again with top recruits and it will probably give the coach instant credit for a former player in the NBA. That's more valuable in my opinion.
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Don't agree because other than Finke we are 6'7" and we won't compete at that size and tired of bringing in mediocre 5 year men. Agree with the rest of the recruits as there is competition at the other positions.
 
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BZuppke

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Plainfield
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I guess Martin going to Mizzou could imply JW already has his man and Martin knew it. I wouldn't want to read too much into that but I will say this: An extremely important factor is how the coach feels about working for the AD. Many coaches over the years have said this is one of the top factors. If you're a top coaching prospect and will make 3-4 million per year at several schools, money is no longer a factor. A great AD who will support you and help you be successful looms large. The media and fans always undervalue this factor but coaches do not. I really like putting JW up against any AD in the country. I would also add that JW is a very intelligent person. He won't be outfoxed by anyone. I'm confident we will be ecstatic with this hire.
 
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