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Agree, but they are a bit overrated. But way better than our history, absolutely
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (September 2018)
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If you think Chris Holtman is a no name coach, then let me tell you about who Illinois hired last year.
He was coaching Butler to the tournament for a few years before taking the Ohio State job.
I wonder if this Louisville commit helps us with any recruits that we're both going after?
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Not saying he's not a good coach, but he doesn't seem like a Bill Self personality to start reeling in 5 star players like a blue blood. I find it curious as well.
Because the idea that it takes multiple years to "get in" with recruits is an easily disprovable myth that is just a clunky piece of leftover JFG propaganda that some folks here have apparently internalized.
Who knows exactly *why* (the appeal of selling newness and a blank canvas would be my best guess), but in both football and basketball coaches are as hot on the recruiting trail at the very beginning as they're ever likely to be, and there are tons of examples of new coaches at non-blue bloods hauling in big classes of top talent in their first full recruiting class.
Luckily, however, the record of those big classes actually producing major turnarounds and lasting success is far more mixed.
Holtmann might be Jay Wright at Villanova or he might be Steve Lavin at St. Johns (who also produced a big turnaround with a senior-laden group of inherited players in Year 1), it remains to be seen.
Bryce Drew's reeled in 5 stars at Vanderbilt. It's certainly not impossible to hit the ground running. Ohio State having a great season last year (way better than expected) certainly helped.
If we had somehow made the tourney or been on the bubble last year, feels like we would've snagged Okoro or have made up more ground on Liddell than we're looking like currenty.
Impossible to say of course, but at the end of the day...Just win, baby.
Impossible to say of course, but at the end of the day...Just win, baby.
Anyone thinks Holtman is a slouch, check out what he is being paid this year.
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/
Oh, and it looks like EJ escaped Columbia.
Definitely a good thing .. But not expecting anything soon as far as EJ.
Hopefully we make it to our visit at this point really all we can hope for...
Then who knows all bets are off
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New he was no slouch but YEEAAH!!The hard part is waiting it out. A lot of time between now and when he visits us to weigh his primary options against each other. If we get past the first few days without an announcement I’ll slightly better. In the most ideal world he asks to bump up his visit.
Interesting list of coaches and salaries...but the list is NCAA B tournament 2018 coaches salaries ..... BU and the Illini make the 2018 tourney or did I miss something????
I'll feel better on Friday if he hasn't set an announcement time by then.
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Weird that Cuonzo Martin doesnt have a buyout.
Misery just doesn't have the right to fire him without cause for the first 3 years. There is a fairly complicated schedule of buyouts and termination requirements.
According to the STL Dispatch:
Starting in his fourth year if MU fires him without cause Martin shall be continued to be paid monthly for the remainder of the contract with reductions for income received by Martin for that contract year to date and from other full-time employment during the remaining terms of the contract.
After the first time Mizzou wins 20 or more games and/or goes to the NCAA Tournament, the university will not have the right to fire Martin without cause until after his fourth year at which the buyout total increases.
If fired during Year 4, between May 1, 2020 and April 30, 2021, Martin receives $6 million.
If fired during Year 5, between May 1, 2021 and April 30, 2022, Martin receives $3 million — unless the team has won 20 games or made the NCAAs. Then the buyout doubles to $6 million.
If fired during Year 6, between May 1, 2022 and April 30, 2023, Martin receives $1 million — unless the team has won 20 games or made the NCAAs. Then the buyout jumps to $3 million. If MU has won 20 games twice or made two NCAAs, the buyout is back to $6 million.
If fired during or after Year 7, between May 1, 2023 and April 30, 2024, Martin receives $300,000 — unless the team has won 20 games or made the NCAAs once. Then the buyout jumps to $1 million. Two 20-win seasons or NCAAs, it’s $3 million. Three 20-win seasons or NCAAs, it’s $3.3 million.
If Martin wants to leave for another job (Not sure what that would be...but I guess you never know. Maybe Purdue one day if Painter gets bored):
If Martin leaves prior to April 30, 2018, he owes $10.5 million.
If Martin leaves between May 1, 2018 and April 30, 2019, he owes $7.5 million.
If Martin leaves between May 1, 2019 and April 30, 2020, he owes $5 million.
If Martin leaves between May 1, 2020 and April 30, 2021, he owes $3 million.
If Martin leaves between May 1, 2021 and April 30, 2022, he owes $1.5 million.
If Martin leaves between May 1, 2022 and April 30, 2023, he owes $500,000.
If Martin leaves between May 1, 2023 and April 30, 2024, he owes $150,000.
If during the first five years of this contract, AD Jim Sterk is terminated by MU, these amounts will be cut in half.
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Crazy amount of money for getting canned...
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Thanks for the clarification. Either you have the ability to type 200 words a minute....or you are bored as hell at work.
I knew that he was a hot candidate coming out of Butler but that's a lot of guacamole.
I think this list gives insight into a bigger dynamic as well and that's that "football schools" and "basketball schools" don't have to be mutually exclusive anymore, especially those with strong football programs. It's been that way for a long time but a lot of that has had to do with effort over execution. Schools that favored one over the other were pretty content as is but with exposure as prevalent as it is today that's beginning to change. Football is such a powerful animal that they have the resources and brand recognition to raise the profile of their basketball programs rather quickly. Look no further then this list. Traditional football schools (Ohio St, West Virginia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas, Bama, Baylor) now make up almost half of the top 16.
Conversely schools like Kansas, Kentucky and Duke struggle in football because they have less overall resources and what they do have they keep in house. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out 5-10 years from now.
I doubt it. The two tend to be pretty independent of each other, especially in Year 1, but even to the extent they aren't consider that a more successful team last year would likely present more road blocks to early playing time for those guys.
Okoro never seemed remotely interested in us, plus we didn't have an official visit to give him. It is what it is.
9/10, if you want a top 20 program, you're gonna have to pay for a top 20 coach. Now if BU is a top 20 coach, remains to be seen, but the point is still valid.
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