Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (January 2019)

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I honestly wonder at this point - what is the difference between us and a middling B1G team, and a team competing for a B1G title? Not even being snarky for once. I really want to know how far off we are...

I imagine when we have 7 or 8 Top 100 players on the roster we will be competitive again.

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Well we have one top 100 now, that's certainly a start.
Just looked it up because I didn't believe it. You are correct sir.

Thanks everyone for engaging in this discussion. It is interesting to see where we were when Dee/Deron/Luther we're underclassmen.
 
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I think a big problem with this team is mental weakness which leads to zero leadership on the floor. Giorgi is the closes we have to a leader, and very well be our best player, who would of thought that at the beginning of the year
 
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I think a big problem with this team is mental weakness which leads to zero leadership on the floor. Giorgi is the closes we have to a leader, and very well be our best player, who would of thought that at the beginning of the year
Piggy back of this a little bit....I think the culture is fine the kids are bought in and fight every day....I do think however we lack a consistent leader, a guy who everyone can go to at any given moment and who can also rally the troops so to speak.
 
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Piggy back of this a little bit....I think the culture is fine the kids are bought in and fight every day....I do think however we lack a consistent leader, a guy who everyone can go to at any given moment and who can also rally the troops so to speak.
I am disappointed Trent hasn't taking this role
 
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I am disappointed Trent hasn't taking this role
I bet BU is as well.
Kipper needed to take the lead on this team and has not. The lack of" on floor" leadership is one of the big differences in where Illinois is and where we want them to be in the standings.

I do think Ayo takes the leadership role next year. With a legit 4 and 5 next year it will open up the outside game to help cure our shooting deficiencies.
Well we hope
 
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Just curious, what do you think needs to change about the team's culture?
I can't speak for Mr. Gritty, but I think he's also thinking it's pointing up, correct me if wrong.
 
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Moving giorgi to the 4 next yr will be helpful. He is going to be a handful
 
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I am disappointed Trent hasn't taking this role

Maybe I see TF differently than most of you. I didn’t expect this huge leap. For a 6’1 freshman that was/is purely left handed and is not the most explosive 6’1 guard he played to his potential as a freshman. I am sure he put a lot of pressure on himself to come in this year and lead us to some upsets and have a bunch of 30pt lights out performances. That hasn’t happened, Ayo and Giorgi have stolen the limelight for the most part and he has lost his confidence in his shot. It is much harder than any of us could imagine to be a 19 year old sophomore leading a losing team of other 18 and 19 year old freshman and sophomores. Wisconsin’s coach said this much about Giorgi. He is 20 years old so he isn’t your typical freshman. He is more mature and you see this mentally from him on the court and the way he talks in interviews. Talent influx and another year for these young guys will make it easier for Trent and Ayo to lead. Right now Trent is just trying to not be the reason we lose. I feel for the kid honestly.
 
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Maybe I see TF differently than most of you. I didn’t expect this huge leap. For a 6’1 freshman that was/is purely left handed and is not the most explosive 6’1 guard he played to his potential as a freshman. I am sure he put a lot of pressure on himself to come in this year and lead us to some upsets and have a bunch of 30pt lights out performances. That hasn’t happened, Ayo and Giorgi have stolen the limelight for the most part and he has lost his confidence in his shot. It is much harder than any of us could imagine to be a 19 year old sophomore leading a losing team of other 18 and 19 year old freshman and sophomores. Wisconsin’s coach said this much about Giorgi. He is 20 years old so he isn’t your typical freshman. He is more mature and you see this mentally from him on the court and the way he talks in interviews. Talent influx and another year for these young guys will make it easier for Trent and Ayo to lead. Right now Trent is just trying to not be the reason we lose. I feel for the kid honestly.

Agreed. Trent is definitely struggling right now. The bad part is he obviously didn't forget how to shoot all of a sudden. It is all mental he just needs to find a way to break out of it.
 
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I bet BU is as well.
Kipper needed to take the lead on this team and has not. The lack of" on floor" leadership is one of the big differences in where Illinois is and where we want them to be in the standings.

I do think Ayo takes the leadership role next year. With a legit 4 and 5 next year it will open up the outside game to help cure our shooting deficiencies.
Well we hope
Kipper has moved south in all statistical categories this year. It would be great if he just took leadership in his own head.
 
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I can't speak for Mr. Gritty, but I think he's also thinking it's pointing up, correct me if wrong.

Not that I can see, frankly. When you're 5-14, that's just the reality of it.

Culture is the sum of a lot of little things, and we on the outside aren't really in a position to understand the inner-workings of the team on an intimate level, but when a team has a positive culture it's pretty obvious to watch, you've got mental toughness, resilience, attention to detail, confidence and player leadership. We've got some talent, we've got a lot of want-to, but we quite clearly lack those other things and have done so for a very long period at this point.

I've said this for awhile, when either of our sports are actually onto something good, it's gonna hit us all like a thunderbolt, it's gonna be so blindingly, undeniably obvious. We've all just forgotten what it looks and feels like.
 
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Some Flashback Friday on old recruits. Watched Nick Rako last night in the USCvZona game. I had completely forgotten about him. He would look great on this team right now. Oh well...
 
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Some Flashback Friday on old recruits. Watched Nick Rako last night in the USCvZona game. I had completely forgotten about him. He would look great on this team right now. Oh well...

Yeah, he's really elevated his game this year. That was his second straight 20+ pts, 12 reb game, and he's had 20 or more points in 4 of 6 conference games. Okoro had probably his best game of the year last night also against Wash. -- 20 mins, 8 pts (on 4 for 4 shooting) and 6 rebs. He's only had two other games with similar stats and those were against Portland St. and Florida A&M.
 
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Agreed. Trent is definitely struggling right now. The bad part is he obviously didn't forget how to shoot all of a sudden. It is all mental he just needs to find a way to break out of it.
If the Illini could hit some shots and 3's the whole season would turn. Trent used to be the guy you thought when it left his hands you felt it would go in. I don't know if conditioning is messing with shooting, ...but something is.
 
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If the Illini could hit some shots and 3's the whole season would turn. Trent used to be the guy you thought when it left his hands you felt it would go in. I don't know if conditioning is messing with shooting, ...but something is.
I’ve wondered, and it’s been discussed here, if the intense focus on strength training is a little misplaced or too much of a focus. Definitely debatable. When is the last time we were upper half of B10 in shooting %?
 
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If the Illini could hit some shots and 3's the whole season would turn. Trent used to be the guy you thought when it left his hands you felt it would go in. I don't know if conditioning is messing with shooting, ...but something is.
This is my thought too. I have no expertise in the field of nutrition or fitness, but I know jump shots and free throws suffer when legs tire. I don’t have the solution but I think it may be part of the problem. Not blaming anyone but all the Fletch love is laughable to me. We aren’t a body building team. We need athletes that have the endurance required to play basketball at a high level for 2 halves. Nutrition and training may play a part....
 
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