The zone gets trashed sometimes unfairly. It's a system that can cover up some physical limitations in players. But it can't cover up problems with attitude or aptitude.
I thing AG ultimately sits one and plays one. Unless NCAA allows him to play and Illinois green lights it. I wish him the best, he showed great improvement over the last year. Thought he would start next season and average 12-14 ppg.
Thanks.I don't think Syracuse zone principles don’t allow for many physical limitations. They rotate hard, the guards have to be able to shadow the high post, while covering shooters up top, or playing 1v1 defense with the ball handler. The wings have to able to guard the slot, short corner and corner at the same time without being beat baseline. If they are beat baseline they have to recover to a hard trap with the big while everyone rotates accordingly. The outside 4 also have to be able to play ball screen defense and work off pins just like you would in man. The big himself has to be able to guard 1v1 from the high post and sometimes will be required to close out the corner, and not get beat baseline. They’re not playing it to cover physical limitations. They’re playing it to swarm you with athletes and length.
This is not meant at you because your first sentence mentions how the zone is unfairly judged. But to me, people like Weber and Painter who say stuff like I’ll never play zone blah blah blah, that’s an ego, bravado thing. People will say well “I’m a man guy” that’s what we’re gonna play all the time. Well I’m a win the game guy. And it’s gotten Boeheim to almost 1000 career wins at Syracuse and a national title. Boeheim’s zone quote about playing his primary defense vs everybody’s second offense will probably stick with me forever. So many in the basketball world see a zone as a cop out defensively. Syracuse uses it as a weapon and to me it’s fantastic.
I can see AG flying around up top using his length and leaking out for dunks and 3s, or crashing the glass hard from the top to rebound. It’s a hand in glove fit to me.
I think in certain situations you most certainly have to do what you feel is in your best interest. However, I also feel as though players today have more of a what’s in it for me attitude. Loyalty is becoming a rare commodity.Do you keep yourself in situations that you don’t feel are in your best interest because of loyalty?
Or do you do what you feel is best for you?
FTFYThis will end up being a very good spot for him, still gets national looks, probably better for his Mom. Good Luck AG
Blast from the past. How did his career end up?Ryan Blackwell 2.0
I certainly hope you're wrong about Loyalty. I really enjoy reading it every day.I think in certain situations you most certainly have to do what you feel is in your best interest. However, I also feel as though players today have more of a what’s in it for me attitude. Loyalty is becoming a rare commodity.
He was very solid there, double-digit scoring all three years. A Syracuse friend is hoping this Central Illinois to Central New York transfer goes as well.Blast from the past. How did his career end up?
I think there’s less chance of getting lost playing zone than man. This should help Griffin.I don't think Syracuse zone principles don’t allow for many physical limitations. They rotate hard, the guards have to be able to shadow the high post, while covering shooters up top, or playing 1v1 defense with the ball handler. The wings have to able to guard the slot, short corner and corner at the same time without being beat baseline. If they are beat baseline they have to recover to a hard trap with the big while everyone rotates accordingly. The outside 4 also have to be able to play ball screen defense and work off pins just like you would in man. The big himself has to be able to guard 1v1 from the high post and sometimes will be required to close out the corner, and not get beat baseline. They’re not playing it to cover physical limitations. They’re playing it to swarm you with athletes and length.
This is not meant at you because your first sentence mentions how the zone is unfairly judged. But to me, people like Weber and Painter who say stuff like I’ll never play zone blah blah blah, that’s an ego, bravado thing. People will say well “I’m a man guy” that’s what we’re gonna play all the time. Well I’m a win the game guy. And it’s gotten Boeheim to almost 1000 career wins at Syracuse and a national title. Boeheim’s zone quote about playing his primary defense vs everybody’s second offense will probably stick with me forever. So many in the basketball world see a zone as a cop out defensively. Syracuse uses it as a weapon and to me it’s fantastic.
I can see AG flying around up top using his length and leaking out for dunks and 3s, or crashing the glass hard from the top to rebound. It’s a hand in glove fit to me.
This is pretty much the reply I expectedSeems like other guys got in his head, too. His earlier actions, including intentionally stepping on the chest of a defenseless opponent on the floor, made me wonder about his nature and stability. He came and went in games, too. Then, just as it appeared his star might be rising at Illinois, he abruptly walks.
At best, he was inconsistent and unpredictable. To me, he seemed somewhat self-focused and erratic.
All considered, I'm not overly disappointed by his exit.
Looks like he may not be 'shining' until 2021-22.
This is why I wish he had stayed in the B1G. If he was as bad as all this, he would have terribly weakened the team he was on. I think that he played hard every game, had no plays run for him at all, could shoot the lights out, and was a disruptive force on defense. He got his hands on a lot of balls and got in the way of passing lanes. I think he would have destroyed Illinois if he had played us. But, you all just keep on hating.Seems like other guys got in his head, too. His earlier actions, including intentionally stepping on the chest of a defenseless opponent on the floor, made me wonder about his nature and stability. He came and went in games, too. Then, just as it appeared his star might be rising at Illinois, he abruptly walks.
At best, he was inconsistent and unpredictable. To me, he seemed somewhat self-focused and erratic.
All considered, I'm not overly disappointed by his exit.
So you disagree with guys like Weber and Painter who say they will only play man, but you're OK with Boeheim who will only play zone?I don't think Syracuse zone principles don’t allow for many physical limitations. They rotate hard, the guards have to be able to shadow the high post, while covering shooters up top, or playing 1v1 defense with the ball handler. The wings have to able to guard the slot, short corner and corner at the same time without being beat baseline. If they are beat baseline they have to recover to a hard trap with the big while everyone rotates accordingly. The outside 4 also have to be able to play ball screen defense and work off pins just like you would in man. The big himself has to be able to guard 1v1 from the high post and sometimes will be required to close out the corner, and not get beat baseline. They’re not playing it to cover physical limitations. They’re playing it to swarm you with athletes and length.
This is not meant at you because your first sentence mentions how the zone is unfairly judged. But to me, people like Weber and Painter who say stuff like I’ll never play zone blah blah blah, that’s an ego, bravado thing. People will say well “I’m a man guy” that’s what we’re gonna play all the time. Well I’m a win the game guy. And it’s gotten Boeheim to almost 1000 career wins at Syracuse and a national title. Boeheim’s zone quote about playing his primary defense vs everybody’s second offense will probably stick with me forever. So many in the basketball world see a zone as a cop out defensively. Syracuse uses it as a weapon and to me it’s fantastic.
I can see AG flying around up top using his length and leaking out for dunks and 3s, or crashing the glass hard from the top to rebound. It’s a hand in glove fit to me.
He was a disruptive force on defense? LOL! He was easily the worst defender in our rotation.This is why I wish he had stayed in the B1G. If he was as bad as all this, he would have terribly weakened the team he was on. I think that he played hard every game, had no plays run for him at all, could shoot the lights out, and was a disruptive force on defense. He got his hands on a lot of balls and got in the way of passing lanes. I think he would have destroyed Illinois if he had played us. But, you all just keep on hating.
I’ll agree with that. Kip’s bad games were bad too. However he’s a actually a great rebounder.He was a disruptive force on defense? LOL! He was easily the worst defender in our rotation.
Yeah, it looks like momma got what she wanted in bringing him close to home and I can't blame her one iota. I would want my kid playing close enough for me to get to the games if I were in her shoes.This will end up being a very good spot for him, still gets national looks, probably better for his family. Good Luck AG