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True.Yeah, you want your AD to play to the whistle, so to speak. No good comes from doing otherwise.
I may get ripped for this, but the Weber/Thomas fiasco is the first thing that comes to mind.
True.Yeah, you want your AD to play to the whistle, so to speak. No good comes from doing otherwise.
Mason is tainted by the fact that he once shook hands with Rick Neuheisel.Glen Mason is tanned, rested and ready. He already broadcasts half of our games, he could step in seamlessly!
(I googled Glen Mason in preparing this post, and it is my urgent duty to alert you to the following shirt:
That is all.)
We had a head coach from a small school, didn't work.
We had a head coach from the NFL, isn't working.
I want a coach with experience and success with a big time college program, if that's a coordinator so be it.
I personally don't think we can win anything outside of Rutgers at this point. I'm just saying that technically there is time to improve. I am going to root them on even though I don't have confident this coaching staff is going to get that done. But there is timeI really doubt they can beat NW. No way the offense will be able to score points. And Purdue is a toss up imo.
The day after the NW loss I expect an announcement from Whitman.
Oops!Lea graduated from college in 04, putting him around 37-38. Moeller was 36 when he started, Ray Eliot was 37, and Bob Zuppke was only 34.
Glen Mason is the type of coach we need to hire. Not Glen himself, as he's getting a bit up there in years now, but someone with that sort of personality. He can be a bit annoying, but he's enthusiastic, and a decent game-day coach. His teams had a real identity. MN was nuts to fire him.Glen Mason is tanned, rested and ready. He already broadcasts half of our games, he could step in seamlessly!
(I googled Glen Mason in preparing this post, and it is my urgent duty to alert you to the following shirt:
That is all.)
Glen Mason is the type of coach we need to hire. Not Glen himself, as he's getting a bit up there in years now, but someone with that sort of personality. He can be a bit annoying, but he's enthusiastic, and a decent game-day coach. His teams had a real identity. MN was nuts to fire him.
The only proven head coach we hired that won was Mike White (took Cal to the Rose Bowl and don’t say he only won because of cheating as that is BS).
since then we have not hired a proven head coach - Beckman had a couple of good years at an upper tier MAC school. He was not proven
Examples of proven head coaches: Brohm, Fleck, Herman, et al.
What are your guys thoughts on Mike MacIntyre? Turned around two dismal programs at the time in San Jose St and Colorado. Now a dc at Ole Miss he’s a former head coach with success and someone you’d think would have serious interest in Illinois
What are your guys thoughts on Mike MacIntyre? Turned around two dismal programs at the time in San Jose St and Colorado. Now a dc at Ole Miss he’s a former head coach with success and someone you’d think would have serious interest in Illinois
9 years as a head coach, 7 losing seasons. Very much took the Lovie route rebuilding a flat-on-their-back Colorado, didn't recruit amazingly, but played those guys young and built a very experienced team that finally broke through and really succeeded in 2016. Then those guys graduated and it fell back into mediocrity immediately, and it didn't help that Jim Leavitt, the defensive mastermind of the project, left for Oregon.
The best of the retread pile is still Todd Graham, for me.
I think Graham's learned his lesson and will be grateful for an opportunity in CU if he has some success, and stick around until retirement. The guy knows how to coach, can attract top assistants and understands that recruiting and momentum are the biggest factors in rebuilding a program. Here's a link to the guy's background https://coachingtreehotseat.com/what-is-todd-graham-doing-now/ . I read another article where he's really "chomping at the bit" to get back into coaching, although he's still getting some big bucks from his ASU settlement.Only problem with Graham is how big of a toolbag he seems to be. What he did at Rice and Pitt as far as lea, but he'llving how he did really rubs me , butthe wrong way.
The best of the retread pile is still Todd Graham, for me.
Mike White did not take Cal to the Rose Bowl (they tied for the then-Pac 8 title in 1975 and UCLA went to the Rose Bowl), and he may have won for many reasons, but he was definitely cheating, which is why he got fired there, and he continued cheating here.
I remain resolutely pro-cheating, but part of that is being honest about it.
Any difference between Beckman and the three you named is one of degree, not of kind.
He turned around Colorado, and then the program collapsed again. Very similar to Turner and Zook.
well I won’t debate Mike White and sidetrack this discussion but Beckman was more than a matter of degree. He simply was not a PROVEN head coach. He had two relatively good seasons at Toledo. Unlike Fleck for example, he did not rebuild a program from the ground and corny as it is, his row the boat/rah rah attitude built student enthusiasm. Fleck has something special about him as did Mike White. Mike White created a buzz and enthusiasm among the students that was impossible to resist. Under White you felt guilty if you weren’t at Memorial on a Saturday. He was visible on campus and constantly engaging the students to build the program. That is part of the job at downtrodden Illinois - selling the program to students and alums.Mike White did not take Cal to the Rose Bowl (they tied for the then-Pac 8 title in 1975 and UCLA went to the Rose Bowl), and he may have won for many reasons, but he was definitely cheating, which is why he got fired there, and he continued cheating here.
I remain resolutely pro-cheating, but part of that is being honest about it.
Any difference between Beckman and the three you named is one of degree, not of kind.
We had a head coach from a small school, didn't work.
We had a head coach from the NFL, isn't working.
I want a coach with experience and success with a big time college program, if that's a coordinator so be it. We want to become a big time program, so we must take from a big time program. I want our Kirby Smart.
Lovie is NOT fired. Other coaches are let go.
Josh hires an HC anyways and hands the keys to the new coach?
Tim Beckman was a DC at Oklahoma State when they emerged as a powerhouse under Mike Gundy.
Ron Zook was DC on some enormously successful Florida teams.
Ron Turner had been OC at USC, albeit briefly
Lou Tepper was an awesome, hugely successful DC under both Bill McCartney at Colorado and under Mackovic at Illinois
John Mackovic had been the OC at Arizona during the period of success that got them invited to what became the Pac 10.
Mike White was OC at Stanford during the most successful run that program had ever had pre-Harbaugh
Gary Moeller was Bo Schembechler's right hand man at Michigan both before and after Illinois.
It cannot be overemphasized: there is not One Weird Trick to coaching resumes that Illinois hasn't tried that would solve everything.