What is HF? I lurk on the Hawks forum on hockeybuzz.com and it’s run pretty well. Lots of Stan haters and lots of guys who beat on the same stuff day after day. Gotta sift through the nonsense.
What is HF? I lurk on the Hawks forum on hockeybuzz.com and it’s run pretty well. Lots of Stan haters and lots of guys who beat on the same stuff day after day. Gotta sift through the nonsense.
Hockey's Future boards. The Hawks board: https://hfboards.mandatory.com/forums/chicago-blackhawks.30/
Jokiharju traded to Buffalo for Alexander Nylander, a former top draft pick who has looked Dolly Parton levels of bust-y, even in the AHL.
And a D man for a forward.
Someone's gonna have to explain that one to me.
It's just strange to me because I don't get how this was the best trade they could've gotten for Jokiharju. If Bowman/Colliton wanted him moved fine, but why now if we were gonna get this as the return?First thoughts: confusion and anger. Hawks must be very high on Mitchell and Boqvist. Plus, Joker is eligible for the expansion draft. Keith and Seabs must be protected (NMC). Guess their hoping Nylander will be another Strome.
we traded from a position of strength to bring in a wild card to help fill an area of weakness."
Seeing as the defense was the major issue last season, I don't see how anyone can consider that a "position of strength".
I go with these guys all the time and they wrap up my feelings pretty well today as well (excessive f-bombs included):
https://faxesfromuncledale.com/stan-bowman-is-a-moron-and-henri-jokiharju-is-better-off/
First thoughts: confusion and anger. Hawks must be very high on Mitchell and Boqvist. Plus, Joker is eligible for the expansion draft. Keith and Seabs must be protected (NMC). Guess their hoping Nylander will be another Strome. Kid is 21 and went 8th in 2016.
Seeing as the defense was the major issue last season, I don't see how anyone can consider that a "position of strength".
Nylander will be eligible also, so I doubt that was a factor in this trade.
I don't hate the idea of this deal but given that most do from the Hawks perspective, both locally and nationally, it feels like we could have gotten more for Joker. If Nylander is a gem waiting to be freed from a bad franchise, similar to Strome, then we're missing the Perlini sweetener this time. Doesn't feel good right now.
This. Change of scenery trade, it's going to take awhile to determine who won. Nylander's skill set is impressive, but he hasn't been able to put it all together yet. Injuries and mishandling have contributed. Play him with Cat and Strome, and watch the magic happen (hopefully!). As to valuation, probably yet another case of fans overvaluing their prospects. At first, I was in WTF? mode (we could've gotten more!), but have calmed down. Understand Bowman's reasoning. Just have to wait and see.
It may work out, but Stan's hitting on 17 here.
I'll never forgive them for convicting Kane before any facts were uncovered and the way they treated their readers during the process. Then they changed their name to further satisfy the PC crowd, as if it mattered. No clicks from me.
Yes, I can hold a grudge.
Jokiharju traded to Buffalo for Alexander Nylander, a former top draft pick who has looked Dolly Parton levels of bust-y, even in the AHL.
And a D man for a forward.
Someone's gonna have to explain that one to me.
I'm neutral on this. They have plenty of D prospects coming up soon (Mitchell, Boqvist, Beaudin and others) and need (potential) impact forwards. While Nylander's numbers aren't eye popping, he did improve his production every year in the A when he was a teenager (he's 20 years old now). And it kinda sounds like he didn't like the way he was handled in Buffalo, kinda like Jokiharju didn't like getting sent to juniors.
I guess a question for me would be this: If Murphy wasn't injured to start the year, where would Jokiharju have started his season? And would everyone be as up in arms about this trade? I know we can't go back in time but would everyone have been this upset not having seen Jokiharju play an NHL game?
But of course I say that not knowing the Hawks prospects intimately. Maybe those other guys are better.
I guess a question for me would be this: If Murphy wasn't injured to start the year, where would Jokiharju have started his season? And would everyone be as up in arms about this trade? I know we can't go back in time but would everyone have been this upset not having seen Jokiharju play an NHL game?
And there's the hedge. One absolute, for sure takeaway, is that the Hawks view Boqvist >> Joker and Mitchell > Joker. That Mitchell isn't signed, doubt Buffalo does the deal with him instead of Joker (not that the Hawks would, IMO). There's now a clear path for Mitchell and I believe he'll sign a contract very shortly after DU's season ends.
No telling who wins this one for awhile.