BananaShampoo
Captain 'Paign
- Phoenix, AZ
Here's hoping Miller vs Underwood is as good of theater as Knight vs Henson back in the day. Those were some epic battles.
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UW (Washington) too, hiring Hopkins the "heir apparent" for Syracuse, until he wasn't.
My UW fans out here are trying to justify the tire fire that Hopkins and first year AD Jen Cohen have lit. They were looking forward to "the best incoming class in the country" a year ago, now they are coming off a 9 win season with a first year head coach and half the roster jumping ship.
JCL was our first signing from Indiana since the 80s. Indy is not an issue for us at this point.
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
Agreed
Well he's used to not making the tournament, so a one big league shouldn't worry him much.
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Archie is a very good hire for Indiana. He is a really good coach and can recruit. B1G got a lot more competitive.
As I said too many time, Alford was not going to Indiana. Pretty good sources on that, he is aware and very fond of his IU legacy, but Alford did not want to return to Indiana and the B1G. Time heals all wounds, but his last experience in the B1G had left a bitter taste in his mouth.
As I said too many time, Alford was not going to Indiana. Pretty good sources on that, he is aware and very fond of his IU legacy, but Alford did not want to return to Indiana and the B1G. Time heals all wounds, but his last experience in the B1G had left a bitter taste in his mouth.
Pure fantasy that was never going to happen. Though I'm sure they will convince themselves that if their AD had just asked he would have committed on spot.
ChazzReinhold
Mom! The Meatloaf!
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Hire a coach who plans to upgrade to a better job in 5 to 6 years. Don't hire a retread. Hire a climber.
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I don't know who that guy is the Dayton board, but damn I appreciate his realism. The anti-hoosier understanding of a coaching search. The Archie hire just smoke before Donovan comes in June?
Hire a coach who plans to upgrade to a better job in 5 to 6 years. Don't hire a retread. Hire a climber.
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I don't know who that guy is the Dayton board, but damn I appreciate his realism. The anti-hoosier understanding of a coaching search. The Archie hire just smoke before Donovan comes in June?
I would prefer the Kruger years.
Mid major fans get it. Young up-and-comers are high upside, but they'll leave. Retreads are big names who big programs will be scared off of, but the problems they had at the big schools don't go away.
Glass promised us a proven winner. Instead we got a guy with potential.
That's why I'm upset I have spent my entire adult life giving IU coaches time. I'm tired of the projects and the rebuilding.
In the Last 2 years Glass has replaced our Baseball, Football and Basketball coaches. They had 0 combined years head coaching position at power 5 schools. If you add in our Soccer program you get a whopping 1 year HC experience at a power 5 school and only 7 total years.
We have watched our Baseball team regress under an assistant not ready for the job. and our soccer coach was a legacy hire that got hot and won a title but has struggled with consistency.
I hope I am wrong about Miller but Glasses track record does not bode well for it
Ubermensch
BOOM! Feed my ego.
Hey, at least IU only has to give him $30 million to find out.
Seriously, these salaries are just ridiculous. 30 large should get you a Gregg Marshall or a Tony Bennett, not a guy who can't get past the first weekend aside from one lucky run to the Elite 8 a few years ago. And I like Archie.
Of course, we can say the same thing about Bennett.
Unfortunately for Dayton fans, I think both are too big for Dayton at this point. If Grant wanted to abandon the NBA lifestyle and go back to college, I think there would be bigger jobs available for him. And Crean was partially obviously a victim of Indiana's expectations and perceptions. I don't like him but Crean can coach basketball and there will be a big conference job available for either Crean or Grant if they want one.
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Thanks for coming over and explaining. From what you say about Glass, I guess I can see where the disappointment comes from. I think both UI and IU did a great job hiring and look forward to some epic battles down the road. Good luck against everybody but us!
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
Whoa whoa whoa whoa...... whoa. We are talking about Indiana here, correct?
Good luck against ScUM and I diots O ut W alking A round.
I hope the rest of us pound IU into creamy goo.
Have a nice day though!:thumb:
It's insane that so many Indiana fans are unimpressed with the Archie hire. It's a terrific hire and the best IU was going to do. Billy Donovan and Brad Stevens were never going to quit their jobs as successful NBA coaches to come to Bloomington. That's a ludicrous proposition. Gregg Marshall was certainly plausible and would have been a tremendous hire, but he probably isn't leaving Wichita unless it's for UNC. It was always going to be Archie, Alford, or someone like Scott Drew. Alford didn't leave UCLA for Indy because UCLA is a better job right now and the Big Ten is a meat grinder. Indiana is a great program with impressive history--top 7 all time--but it's a tough job due to outsize fan expectations and complex competitive dynamics. Archie was the best realistic candidate. Absolute homerun hire.
PSA to Hoosiers: this isn't the 1970s. You're not perceived as a top-5 super blue blood program right now. There's work to do to regain your place in the kingdom - just like at Illinois we're no longer perceived as a top 12-15 program. Lots of work to do. I hope that Underwood and Archie lead our respective programs back to prominence. The Big Ten is at its best when IU and Illinois are part of the national conversation year in and year out. I think Archie is going to absolutely kill it at IU and I'm pumped to see the conference getting stronger!
But the idea of hiring Donovan and seeing an immediate influx of 5-star talent on the way to multiple national titles over the next decade...come on. You had to know that was absurd. Right? Right?
Not sure I understand the reputation and expectations for Archie's recruiting - especially when it comes to Chicago. Can someone fill me in?
I looked him up at 247:
- 0 Top 100 recruits
- 1 4-star
- 7 3-star
- 1 2-star
- 6 0-star
He's only landed two players from Chicago; both in 2012, a 3-star, and a 0-star.
According to 247, of the very approximate 150 players he offered at Dayton only 5 were from Illinois and only 2 from Indiana.
He obviously had some great recruiting exposure at OSU and UofA, but that hasn't seemed to translate to his 6 classes at Dayton. I think he's a great coach but I don't understand some of these expectations for him.
I looked him up at 247:
- 0 Top 100 recruits
- 1 4-star
- 7 3-star
- 1 2-star
- 6 0-star
He's only landed two players from Chicago; both in 2012, a 3-star, and a 0-star.
According to 247, of the very approximate 150 players he offered at Dayton only 5 were from Illinois and only 2 from Indiana.
He obviously had some great recruiting exposure at OSU and UofA, but that hasn't seemed to translate to his 6 classes at Dayton. I think he's a great coach but I don't understand some of these expectations for him.
RichBradIllini
- Peoria
I reckon that's about to change.
I'm going to have to politely disagree. I wish Indiana nothing but continued underachievement and embarrassment, anger, and frustration at not being able to live up to the Chairthrower's championship legacy.
Definitely. I just wonder if he'll slammed by the Indiana fans if he doesn't "lock down" the state, and from what I read I see no reason to believe he will. I expect his classes to be lower ranked than Creans. I wonder how much time the fans allow him to make in roads.
I think Evans is a key piece
this guy recruited dozier and thornwell to South Carolina and is considered a great recruiter. I am hearing he may be staying with Boynton and that will be a blow with his recruiting talents.
this guy recruited dozier and thornwell to South Carolina and is considered a great recruiter. I am hearing he may be staying with Boynton and that will be a blow with his recruiting talents.
I'm fairly certain you have to have coaching experience to be a proven winner.