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Just so my stance is clear and not confusing.

I don't like the Miles hire. But it is not derailing the program. And it is not worth 20 pages of text. The program has lacked major talent for multiple years. They are brining in major talent now, some of the best they have EVER had. Stop acting like someone hiring his son is the end all be all. Get over it. sheesh
This isn't just someone "hiring his son." His son will most likely be one of the top ten paid state employees. Josh Whitman should be fired for permitting this. Seriously, does this hire benefit the University of Illinois football program or the Smith family? With all of Lovie's coaching experience and contacts, this is the best he could do? I find that very hard to believe. (I am, of course, referring to the best he could do for the University of Illinois football program, not the Smith family.)

It's quite telling when posters (Dude, Dbell1981, logjam, etc.) start labeling other posters and trying to stop further discussion. It's a common tactic when trying to defend the indefensible.
 
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I beg to differ with the people who think that those of us who are against the promotion of Miles Smith are just being emotional or insecure. We are actually being quite rational. One of the most important tasks of a head coach is to assemble a great coaching staff. Lovie whiffed when he hired two of his buddies initially as his offensive and defensive coordinators. He subsequently left the O.C. position open for a strangely long time (as if he didn't quite know what to do) and then seemed to get lucky when Rod Smith unexpectedly became available. He still hasn't resolved the D.C. vacancy, and now he seems ready to promote his unqualified son into an Assistant Coach position.
You people really don't see a problem here?
If the Fighting Illini football program is ever going to improve, we need to: 1) successfully recruit players that are wanted by top-tier programs; and 2) fill coaching vacancies with coaches who are wanted by top-tier programs. We are making some headway in the recruiting realm, but I don't see an acceptable amount of competency regarding the selection of coaches.
Is this a joke????
Rod Smith had other offers last year and this year. He stayed
Corey Paterson had offers to leave this year. He stayed
Austin Clark had an offer to go back to USC! as the DL coach. HE STAYED

Those are Lovies last 3 coaching hires before this year!!!!!
 
This isn't just someone "hiring his son." His son will most likely be one of the top ten paid state employees. Josh Whitman should be fired for permitting this. Seriously, does this hire benefit the University of Illinois football program or the Smith family? With all of Lovie's coaching experience and contacts, this is the best he could do? I find that very hard to believe. (I am, of course, referring to the best he could do for the University of Illinois football program, not the Smith family.)

It's quite telling when posters (Dude, Dbell1981, logjam, etc.) start labeling other posters and trying to stop further discussion. It's a common tactic when trying to defend the indefensible.
Or I am just tired of scrolling through so many whinny post....about something as insignificant as an assistant coach.
 
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Or I am just tired of scrolling through so many whinny post....about something as insignificant as an assistant coach.
More labeling, I see. If the hire is so insignificant, why is his salary so high?
 
I do not care who the LB'er coach is. Lovie will be there with whomever working with them. Maybe he wants someone that will not disagree with what he wants?
He's responsible for hiring the LB coach and that person will work for him. You would think that it wouldn't be that hard to find someone outside your immediate family who would buy in to what you're trying to accomplish.
 
He's responsible for hiring the LB coach and that person will work for him. You would think that it wouldn't be that hard to find someone outside your immediate family who would buy in to what you're trying to accomplish.
That woould require to actually search for someone outside your immediate family...
 
Is this a joke????

No, it's not a joke. (By the way, stop being emotional and insecure; try to express your views respectfully.)
Most of us are happy to have Rod Smith, Patterson, and Clark on the staff. That doesn't change the fact that Lovie has had some huge "misses" and too many prolonged coaching vacancies. Under these circumstances, the elevation of his son is unacceptable.
 
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That woould require to actually search for someone outside your immediate family...
Uh ohhhhh

Is this an implication that we didn’t even search for someone to take Miles’ job? And that the plan has been to make him a full time assistant??
 
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More labeling, I see. If the hire is so insignificant, why is his salary so high?
Because that is what the market calls for. Label me an economist I guess. If you don't like it, then get into politics and change the pay scales
 
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No, it's not a joke. (By the way, stop being emotional and insecure; try to express your views respectfully.)
Most of us are happy to have Rod Smith, Patterson, and Clark on the staff. That doesn't change the fact that Lovie has had some huge "misses" and too many prolonged coaching vacancies. Under these circumstances, the elevation of his son is unacceptable.
Your original post stated Lovie has been bad with his coaching decisions. Which his original were. He then made 3 hires that were not amongst his coaching tree that have all panned out. So much so, that other Div I programs wanted them. So that completely negated your statement. Yes I think it is an absolute joke that something as small as Miles Smith being the LB coach has totally derailed the program. That doesn't mean I like the hire. I don't. But I am also not going to waste my entire day making negative comments(I hope that was soft enough for everyone) about an insignificant hire. Instead I am now wasting my day defending Miles Smith instead of reading some actual content. So I lost anyway
 
Because that is what the market calls for. Label me an economist I guess
OK, we are getting closer! And why do you think the market calls for such a high salary? Could it be that other programs recognize how important such a position is to the success of the program, and that programs are willing to pay to keep qualified coaches?
 
OK, we are getting closer! And why do you think the market calls for such a high salary? Could it be that other programs recognize how important such a position is to the success of the program, and that programs are willing to pay to keep qualified coaches?
Actually no. I think the market is what it is mainly due to the enormous amounts of revenue generated by college football. If assistant coaches were that important to a programs success, then teams, such as Alabama or Ohio State, would not be constantly winning.
 
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Your original post stated Lovie has been bad with his coaching decisions. Which his original were. He then made 3 hires that were not amongst his coaching tree that have all panned out. So much so, that other Div I programs wanted them. So that completely negated your statement. Yes I think it is an absolute joke that something as small as Miles Smith being the LB coach has totally derailed the program. That doesn't mean I like the hire. I don't. But I am also not going to waste my entire day making negative comments(I hope that was soft enough for everyone) about an insignificant hire. Instead I am now wasting my day defending Miles Smith instead of reading some actual content. So I lost anyway
Nobody said that ALL of Lovie's coaching decisions have been bad, and nobody said that the promotion of Miles Smith will derail the program.
Have you ever heard the term: "Straw Man argument"?
As far as how you choose to spend your day, I suspect that most people on this board don't much care.
 
I beg to differ with the people who think that those of us who are against the promotion of Miles Smith are just being emotional or insecure. We are actually being quite rational. One of the most important tasks of a head coach is to assemble a great coaching staff. Lovie whiffed when he hired two of his buddies initially as his offensive and defensive coordinators. He subsequently left the O.C. position open for a strangely long time (as if he didn't quite know what to do) and then seemed to get lucky when Rod Smith unexpectedly became available. He still hasn't resolved the D.C. vacancy, and now he seems ready to promote his unqualified son into an Assistant Coach position.
You people really don't see a problem here?
If the Fighting Illini football program is ever going to improve, we need to: 1) successfully recruit players that are wanted by top-tier programs; and 2) fill coaching vacancies with coaches who are wanted by top-tier programs. We are making some headway in the recruiting realm, but I don't see an acceptable amount of competency regarding the selection of coaches.
Yes. And nothing about this post matters because We are talking very short term if it doesn’t work and longer term if we win 5 games. Miles can suck (I’m not saying he does) and if we don’t win, all the distraught posting doesn’t matter. Miles has minimal effect. If Lovie was brought in this year, and we were looking at a multi year contract, I would think this was worth more conversation


I think we will win 5 games. I also trust Whitman isn’t sitting on his hands.
 
It just puts the "stay the course at 5-7, we're one recruiting class away from becoming Alvarez' Wisconsin" stuff to bed. This is not a long-term project, this is not establishing a program identity, we're just a subsidiary of Lovie Smith Inc. and if they can't make their quarterly revenue numbers, we've got an easy business decision to make.
Maybe I misread this then. What does this mean to you?
 
Nobody said that ALL of Lovie's coaching decisions have been bad, and nobody said that the promotion of Miles Smith will derail the program.
Have you ever heard the term: "Straw Man argument"?
As far as how you choose to spend your day, I suspect that most people on this board don't much care.
No you said he got "lucky" with Rod Smith because you didn't think he knew what he was doing and that we need to have coaches that other D1 programs want.
Answered 1 answered 2.
 
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No you said he got "lucky" with Rod Smith because you didn't think he knew what he was doing and that we need to have coaches that other D1 programs want.
Answered 1 answered 2.
He said he got lucky because Rod Smith wasn’t available until a month into the search. It’s not like he went into the offseason targeting him. Rod got interviewed after an unusually late firing of Rich Rod.
 
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Actually no. I think the market is what it is mainly due to the enormous amounts of revenue generated by college football. If assistant coaches were that important to a programs success, then teams, such as Alabama or Ohio State, would not be constantly winning.
And for your reasoning, you picked schools with some of the highest salaries for assistant coaches, who regularly bring in some of the top assistant coaches in the country?
 
And for your reasoning, you picked schools with some of the highest salaries for assistant coaches, who regularly bring in some of the top assistant coaches in the country?
So Pep Hamilton, just for example, was an important aspect of Michigan's success?
 
He said he got lucky because Rod Smith wasn’t available until a month into the search. It’s not like he went into the offseason targeting him. Rod got interviewed after an unusually late firing of Rich Rod.
Ok......so I said he said Lovie got lucky. And you say he said Lovie got lucky......what are we talking about here
 
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