Illini Basketball 2018-2019

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I find a lot of groupthink happens with mock draft boards, but not the kind necessarily influenced by the people doing the decision-making (i.e. scouts and execs). I tend to like those people/boards that approach the process more iteratively, and continually update based on what they're seeing and what they're hearing from the NBA. Givony and Schmitz are among the best at this.
You had me at "happens"
 
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May have already been posted, but I noticed that Ayo is listed at #24 for ESPN's (Givony and Schmitz) 2019 draft board. I was skeptical Ayo would be one and done just because of how bad our team is, but perhaps it won't matter. THT is listed at #25 too, which I thought was interesting.

Now for the poll: do y'all think it is better or worse for the program if Ayo is a one and done? I could see both sides, but am interested in everybody else's opinion.

What's the date on that 2019 mock draft board??
 
While I hope Kane develops great hands soon, I haven’t seen that his hands are any better than Egwu’s as a freshman. JMHO.
 
Cam Reddish is shooting 39% from the field and 36% from three, yet will likely be a top 5 pick in June. Efficiency stats tend to matter a little less at this stage than the eye test, and inconsistency is the nature of most freshmen. He may not be a first round draft pick but he's clearly got the talent -- these guys do these assessments for a living, after all.
Reddish could go top 5? Williamson, Barrett, Hachimura, both Jalen are playing there way up and will look much more likely to be top picks at year end, McDaniels and Smith that is. Grimes and a host of others as well could elevate and push a player of his size/skill set down if the % stay the same all year.
 
Reddish could go top 5?
Of course he could, actually most experts and mock drafts have him right now going No. 3 after Williamson, and Barrett. Reddish is a fantastic player with tremendous potential. Very good all around skills, and length (7-1 wingspan). Don't be fouled because he plays in the same team as Williamson and Barrett.
 
Dallas, Texas
May have already been posted, but I noticed that Ayo is listed at #24 for ESPN's (Givony and Schmitz) 2019 draft board. I was skeptical Ayo would be one and done just because of how bad our team is, but perhaps it won't matter. THT is listed at #25 too, which I thought was interesting.

Now for the poll: do y'all think it is better or worse for the program if Ayo is a one and done? I could see both sides, but am interested in everybody else's opinion.
I can’t find him in the top 60 anywhere in the 2019 mock drafts.
 
I was looking at KenPom and saw we were 345th in the nation in luck. I thought maybe we aren’t that terrible of a team this season after all. Then I saw some of the other bottom teams (Oregon, Penn State, Miami) and realized Luck is just another term for overrated pretty much.
 
Glenview, IL
May have already been posted, but I noticed that Ayo is listed at #24 for ESPN's (Givony and Schmitz) 2019 draft board. I was skeptical Ayo would be one and done just because of how bad our team is, but perhaps it won't matter. THT is listed at #25 too, which I thought was interesting.

Now for the poll: do y'all think it is better or worse for the program if Ayo is a one and done? I could see both sides, but am interested in everybody else's opinion.
I can’t find him in the top 60 anywhere in the 2019 mock drafts.
I am not sure how reputable this website is, but they have Ayo and THT (along with Khalil Whitney and Zach Norvell) in the first round of the 2020 NBA Mock Draft.
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2020-nba-mock-draft.html
 
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I was looking at KenPom and saw we were 345th in the nation in luck. I thought maybe we aren’t that terrible of a team this season after all. Then I saw some of the other bottom teams (Oregon, Penn State, Miami) and realized Luck is just another term for overrated pretty much.
We finished last year ranked 343. From the kenpom website:
The new ones are Cons (Consistency) and Luck. The easiest one to understand is Luck, which is the deviation in winning percentage between a team’s actual record and their expected record using the correlated gaussian method.
I'm too lazy to read up on what exactly the correlated gaussian method is, but I assume it's similar to pythag record. So if I understand this correctly our win percentage this year (.300) is -.178 worse than expected. Essentially we should've won 1.78 more games than we did already, which I don't think is a crazy thought as we were pretty comfortable in our three wins (though you could argue UNLV had a pretty strong chance), and the ND, GT, and Gonzaga game were all essentially a position or two away from going our way.
 
Seattle
Ayo needs to demonstrate he can create his own buckets in the half court--he's great and fluid in transition with a knack for the rim, and possesses a lot of confidence and familiarity with the game. But against 7 footers or packed in the half court with longer defenders and active feet, he hasn't broken down defenses as much as I would expect for an NBA prospect. He needs a little Jamal Crawford mid-range fade-away and keep up with a consistent 3-pt shot to draw defenders out so he can slide by them and learn to finish stronger... that's what'll get him in the big show.
 
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Iowa City
My thoughts from the day Ayo committed, the worst thing that could happen was him have good enough year to go one and done and we still waste it and not make the tournament. Sure a 1 and done looks good to say you put someone in the league, but look at the narrative that is said about coaches that turn out NBA talent that doesn't equal wins at the college level. Even in our bad years most on this board openly mocked the Travis Fords and Rick Barnes coaching ability. No one does less with more right? I really want Ayo to have a great NBA career, and I hope his draft stock gets crazy high after he leads us on a great tournament run. And not an NIT tournament run.
 
Sure a 1 and done looks good to say you put someone in the league, but look at the narrative that is said about coaches that turn out NBA talent that doesn't equal wins at the college level. Even in our bad years most on this board openly mocked the Travis Fords and Rick Barnes coaching ability. No one does less with more right? .
I still think in terms of coaching ability Barnes > Ford
 
Austin, TX
I would think BU would be the one who is the most concerned about Tev not playing.

Tev will play when whatever number of boxes need to be checked are checked.

And, when he comes back, he should be ready to play and contribute.
 
Of course he could, actually most experts and mock drafts have him right now going No. 3 after Williamson, and Barrett. Reddish is a fantastic player with tremendous potential. Very good all around skills, and length (7-1 wingspan). Don't be fouled because he plays in the same team as Williamson and Barrett.
unpopular opinion, but i think Reddish has the highest ceiling out of all of those guys. has the length, athleticism and best looking shot.
 
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Can't judge the freshman we didn't get just by numbers as they are in different programs where roles and minutes may be different then what they would have gotten at Illinois or what our freshman are getting. Some of them also went to better programs where freshman are way less likely to get major minutes. Have to wait and see at least two years to judge what type of player some of those guys end up being.
 
Watching Oregon vs San Diego right now and no sign of Francis Okoro on a mediocre Oregon team. Imagine the amount of playing time he would be getting for us right now. Oh well.
 
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That's an ambitious goal for a top 30 prospect. We've had some great players at Illinois, and we have never even had an actual two and done. We did have a couple guys that sat out one year and played 2.
Wasn’t Myers Leonard a two and done? I recall a shaky, foul ridden freshman year and then a much better sophomore year.
 
Wasn’t Myers Leonard a two and done? I recall a shaky, foul ridden freshman year and then a much better sophomore year.
You're correct. Wish he would've stayed another year, that 12-13 team would've been dangerous with him, though it might have prolonged JG's tenure even longer..
 
Iowa City
Watching Oregon vs San Diego right now and no sign of Francis Okoro on a mediocre Oregon team. Imagine the amount of playing time he would be getting for us right now. Oh well.
Would we be getting quality minutes from him right now though? There is a reason he is getting the minutes he is right now. So if he isn't playing on a mediocre team, he probably isn't ready.
 
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Would we be getting quality minutes from him right now though? There is a reason he is getting the minutes he is right now. So if he isn't playing on a mediocre team, he probably isn't ready.
Yeah I dont see how if he's playing on a mediocre team and is barely getting tick, how that would indicate he would be getting a ton of PT here and actually be doing well...
 
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