Illini Football & CFB 2020

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So by Rittenberg's estimation, the it's the presidents who want to play and the coaches who are okay postponing?

from most of what i've heard, it's the other way around. Coaches/players want to play. Presidents are reluctant. But who knows, seems like there's conflicting info out there sometimes.
 
       
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from most of what i've heard, it's the other way around. Coaches/players want to play. Presidents are reluctant. But who knows, seems like there's conflicting info out there sometimes.
That's what i would have assumed. Weird.
 
       
Illinois has no interest in joining the Big 12. There isn't very good evidence any of the big ten teams want to leave.

The season will likely be dependent on whether or not the SEC decides it's had a change of heart and now values player safety. At this point, I'm betting no conferences play.

I don't think the Big 10 will defer to the SEC to make their decision first. The Big 10 has shown that they can be the powerful conference when it comes to making decisions.
 
       
I don't think the Big 10 will defer to the SEC to make their decision first. The Big 10 has shown that they can be the powerful conference when it comes to making decisions.

Yes the Big Ten needs to do what is best for them and the athletes, period. No point in worrying about the other conferences.
 
       
Because they aren't making money if there is no season. They would literally be losing money in the name of player safety.
I must be terrible at communication on a message board or something

In one hand there is the unknown liability of medical cost if they play. In the other, the TV revenue of a football season. Both monetary numbers. If they decide the unknown liability is greater than the revenue, which seems to be the case, they will cancel. It does not forgo money. It is all about the money
 
       
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Because they aren't making money if there is no season. They would literally be losing money in the name of player safety.
Is there a better reason to lose money? Student athlete safety should be the priority always. I miss sports as much as the next person, but I am ok with not having a season of sports. It would be nice to get covid under control before we risk our sons/daughters health.
My son is a SA in south FL. He leaves for his senior year on Saturday. I am worried for his health and I wanted him to transfer home and finish school at SLU. He is loyal, and he chose to return to FL. I left the decision up to him. He is an all-conference athlete and an academic all-American. He has earned the right to make his own decision, even though I am very worried.
 
       
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Is there a better reason to lose money? Student athlete safety should be the priority always. I miss sports as much as the next person, but I am ok with not having a season of sports. It would be nice to get covid under control before we risk our sons/daughters health.
My son is a SA in south FL. He leaves for his senior year on Saturday. I am worried for his health and I wanted him to transfer home and finish school at SLU. He is loyal, and he chose to return to FL. I left the decision up to him. He is an all-conference athlete and an academic all-American. He has earned the right to make his own decision, even though I am very worried.

Totally understand the worry. I'm overseas right now, and every time my wife talks about her and the kids leaving the house...

But, devil's advocate, if your son earned the right to make his own decision, why haven't other student athletes? There's no scenario where unpaid student athletes can't opt out (though the protections on scholarships and eligibility is still up in the air).
 
       
If they cancel the season, no revenue and that could spell a reduction in staff, scholarships and up to date medical coverage for the future. The possibility of anything happening to this age group is so small that a lot of them are willing to play. Its not about player safety, its about liability on the institutions. These young people can just as easily get this from their friends at home where they are not tested on a regular basis. Not saying it is right or wrong but I agree with some of what was discussed in the Big Ten Network yesterday, I'm not going to just hide out in my basement.
 
       
If they cancel the season, no revenue and that could spell a reduction in staff, scholarships and up to date medical coverage for the future. The possibility of anything happening to this age group is so small that a lot of them are willing to play. Its not about player safety, its about liability on the institutions. These young people can just as easily get this from their friends at home where they are not tested on a regular basis. Not saying it is right or wrong but I agree with some of what was discussed in the Big Ten Network yesterday, I'm not going to just hide out in my basement.
If more people had hid out in their basement this spring for a month or two, this problem would not exist as it does now.
 
       
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The possibility of anything happening to this age group is so small that a lot of them are willing to play. Its not about player safety, its about liability on the institutions.

This seems contradictory. But your second point here is correct, it's about liability. And there is a lot bad that can happen. Lasting heart damage for one, they just did a double lung transplant on a 22yr old girl in Chicago from COVID. So obviously there are serious implications that we don't know about. That's the biggest thing, it's an unknown. We won't know for years the long term effects and there isn't a safe solution right now because we can't stop the disease any other way than cutting the spread.
 
       
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If more people had hid out in their basement this spring for a month or two, this problem would not exist as it does now.
Yes it would.
 
       
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Yes it would.

The Champions League is going on across Europe right now without a hitch, and the NHL has had no positive tests in Canada for the past two weeks. Meanwhile the Miami Marlins have more active cases than Taiwan.
 
       
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The intent would be to minimize school liability so that it is effectively a non-factor. A challenge? Certainly, but I believe it would be doable. Some might not.

At what cost? The goal shouldn't be to minimize school liability. It should be to balance safety and school liability. Unless that's what you mean. Make school liability a non-factor by making safety a non-factor (and by that I mean nearly ensuring safety).

But when I hear "minimize liability," to me it means minimizing financial risk without minimizing fault.
 
       
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Wishful thinking at best.
Yeah probably. There may well be a vaccine, but it's probably not going to be widely available in January or February, and if college football players get priority over the rest of society, we have a problem. I could see nurses, doctors, and the elderly getting the vaccine early. We shall see.
 
       
The Champions League is going on across Europe right now without a hitch, and the NHL has had no positive tests in Canada for the past two weeks. Meanwhile the Miami Marlins have more active cases than Taiwan.

I'm in Europe right now. You cannot go anywhere public without a mask, and you don't see a single person out in public without a mask. I don't mean walking down the street 20 feet from the nearest human, but even then, as you approach each other, people leave a path in order to maintain at least six feet. But inside any public place (unless/until you're eating), 100%, not an exaggeration, have a mask. And it obviously seems to be working.

Not trying to get political. Just today's public health announcement from a non-public health professional. Won't speak to the science, but the anecdotal evidence is strong.
 
       
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I'd like to think that the season is being delayed because of ethical reasons not money. College students might not get acutely sick in large numbers but they can certainly carry and transmit the virus. For example, a football player goes to calculus class, gets infected by a student then infects much of the team at practice as happened with the Marlins and Cards. The risk isn't worth the benefit. We will see.
 
       
You can never eliminate risk, or wait for it to go away.
Most basements have mold, anyway!
;)

I know I'm cherrypicking your post. And I know I'm maybe a little more sensitive because I've had a loved one die of COVID. (She was my grandmother, she was very old, had dementia, not the most tragic case...but still.) And I know I'm no disease expert. And I know there are lots of valid opinions. And I ALSO know I really want to see Illini football this fall because nothing else seems to be going well and I'd like that distraction. AND I know that the infection/death rates have been politicized in a way that doesn't really make sense when compared to other diseases, and is not productive.

But I'm pretty sure that equating COVID to basement mold (with a winky face) is irresponsible, even on an Illini athletics message board. And I DEFINITELY know that equating COVID to basement mold when speaking to people who have lost loved ones from COVID and are currently separated from living loved ones during COVID (with a winky face) is not helpful to the discourse.

I don't know what the right answer is for college football, I really don't. But let's have good discourse.
 
       
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It appears they spent no time discussing these options until apparently the last week or two. It's inconceivable that they are this unprepared and are having these negotiations in mid-August.

It's hard to justify, but it's not inconceivable. Basically every industry has been weeks/months behind this. Reacting to information they should have reacted to weeks/months earlier. A few states or localities have done well, but as far as I can tell, not a single major interstate entity has been out ahead of it. Why would FBS football conferences do any better than, say, multinational corporations or the Federal government? Or the average Jane/John Doe in middle America?

Edit: Shouldn't say "why?" There are tons of reasons why. Should ask "why didn't they?", and "why would you expect them to when no other major American enterprise has?"

Double edit: I know this is a little outside the scope of the thread and the purpose of these boards. I really don't think this is banworthy in context, but please delete/advise if it is.
 
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It's hard to justify, but it's not inconceivable. Basically every industry has been weeks/months behind this. Reacting to information they should have reacted to weeks/months earlier. A few states or localities have done well, but as far as I can tell, not a single major interstate entity has been out ahead of it. Why would FBS football conferences do any better than, say, multinational corporations or the Federal government? Or the average Jane/John Doe in middle America?
The key difference between all the other examples and FBS football conferences (and the NFL for that matter) is the gift of time. There was time to prepare if you are a major FBS conference. The planning may have still resulted in a cancelled/postponed season, but it doesn’t appear that they used that time to truly discuss all options.
 
       
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I have a friend who is a teacher in Indiana. Her district was telling teachers in April to be prepared to start the school year virtually just in case. It that point it was purely hypothetical but has now come to fruition.

Point being, if the hypothetical could be had for a little school system, how could a multimillion dollar entity not have done the same?
 
       
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