Illinois Football Recruiting Thread

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appreciate your posts. And we just place 4th in the big west and 8th in the big ten with the kind of recruits we have had. Although we certainly want more, I think Lovie and co showed that it could be done, for at least 1 season. I’m trusting their ability to find players and produce with them. In some ways, this class looks better than some of the early classes that got us to a middle of the big ten.
I look at Witherspoon and Washington. Both showed they can play B1G ball. Not highly rated but, played in states where football is king.
 
We only got the 77th, 81st, 90th, 94th, 167th and 263rd ranked recruits from Florida. I'm sure that many non-P5 schools did much made a bigger dent in their talent than Illinois. Don't get me wrong. Riggins, Newton, Cooper and Spann look to be solid recruits, but you don't catch up with Minnesota, Iowa, NW, Indiana, MSU or keep slightly ahead of Rutgers, Purdue with that level of recruiting while losing far better in state recruits, especially in the OL and DL.
I don't think that you understand how much better hs football in FL is than IL.
 
South Carolina
Is there a reason we are trying to compare state rankings instead of using national rankings?
 
I think that there is a concern of the Illinois high school coaches that they are not
treated as they were in the past. The association was invited to be part of the program,
spend time with the staff, listened to and valued in the past. Coaches and officials
who know them tell me that is no longer the case.
You mean like the E. Stl coach who complained when we didn't take his No. 4 player when his top players went elsewhere. One way street, eh coach!
 
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Is there a reason we are trying to compare state rankings instead of using national rankings?

From my cheat sheet:

Name of player / position
State / national / position
Committed to

(Subject to change)(data from 247, gathered a few days ago)

2021​
IllinoisFloridaTexasCalifornia
1​
J. J. McCarthy / PRO / 4*
1 / 17 / 4
Michigan
James Williams / S / 5*
1 / 5 / 1
Georgia
Tommy Brockermeyer / OT / 5*
1 / 3 / 1
Texas
Korey Foreman / SDE / 5*
1 / 1 / 1
Southern Cal
2​
David Davidkov / OT
2 / 159 / 22
Michigan
Agiye Hall / WR
2 / 22 / 1
TBD
Camar Wheaton / RB
2 / 6 / 1
TBD
Jake Garcia / PRO
2 / 14 / 3
Southern Cal
3​
Athan Kaliakmanis / Dual
3 / 268 / 9
Minnesota
Terrence Lewis / OLB / 4*
3 / 30 / 2
TBD
Savion Byrd / OT
3 / 12 / 2
Texas
Raesjon Davis / OLB
3 / 19 / 1
Southern Cal
4​
Sam Jackson / ATH
4 / 270 / 25
Minnesota
Leonard Taylor / DT
4 / 36 / 6
TBD
Landon Jackson / WDE
4 / 16 / 1
TBD
Troy Franklin / WR
4 / 23 / 2
TBD
5​
Dominic Bass / DT
5 / 273 / 21
Michigan
Branden Jennings / OLB
5 / 39 / 4
Florida State
Tunmise Adeleye / SDE
5 / 26 / 3
TBD
Beaux Collins / WR / 4*
5 / 34 / 3
tOSU
6​
Mac Uihlein / ILB
6 / 286 / 10
TBD (No illinois offer)
Bryce Langston / WDE
6 / 42 / 3
Florida
Ja'Tavion Sanders / ATH / 4*
6 / 46 / 4
Texas
Tyler Buchner / PRO
6 / 50 / 6
Notre Dame
7​
Justin Johnson / RB
7 / 299 / 18
TBD (Illinois offer)
Jason Marshall / CB
7 / 47 / 4
Miami (FL)
Donovan Jackson / OT
7 / 57 / 11
TBD
Miller Moss / PRO
7 / 59 / 7
TBD
8​
Dominic Lovett / WR
8 / 303 / 50
TBD (Illinois offer)
Mario Williams / WR
8 / 48 / 6
Oklahoma
Prestopn Stone / DUAL
8 / 58 / 2
TBD
Ma'a Gaoteote / OLB
8 / 63 /5
Southern Cal
9​
Mar'Keise Irving / RB / 3*
8 / 359 /25
TBD (Illinois offer)
Jacorey Brooks / WR
9 / 60 /9
Miami (FL)
Jalen Milroe / DUAL
9 / 65 /3
Texas
Seven McGee / RB
9 / 83 / 5
Oregon
10​
Bryan Sanborn / ILB
10 / 366 / 13
Wisconsin
Xavian Sorey / ATH
10 / 62 / 5
Alabama
Shadrach Banks / ATH
10 / 67 / 6
Texas A&M
Ethan Calvert / ATH
10 / 90 / 9
Washington
Next 10 (in order):
1 to Iowa
1 to Notre Dame
1 to Minnesota
1 to Michigan
Next 10 (no order)(all 4*):
2 to FSU
2 to Clemson
1 to tOSU
1 to FL
Next 10 (no order)(all 4*)
3 to Texas A&M
2 to Texas
1 to Oklahoma
1 to Alabama
Next 10 (no order)(all 4*)
2 to Oregon
1 to Notre Dame
1 Southern Cal
1 to Alabama
20th IL: 702 national20th FL: 148 National2oth TX: 112 national20th CA: 202 national
 
From my cheat sheet:

Name of player / position
State / national / position
Committed to

(Subject to change)(data from 247, gathered a few days ago)

2021​
IllinoisFloridaTexasCalifornia
1​
J. J. McCarthy / PRO / 4*
1 / 17 / 4
Michigan
James Williams / S / 5*
1 / 5 / 1
Georgia
Tommy Brockermeyer / OT / 5*
1 / 3 / 1
Texas
Korey Foreman / SDE / 5*
1 / 1 / 1
Southern Cal
2​
David Davidkov / OT
2 / 159 / 22
Michigan
Agiye Hall / WR
2 / 22 / 1
TBD
Camar Wheaton / RB
2 / 6 / 1
TBD
Jake Garcia / PRO
2 / 14 / 3
Southern Cal
3​
Athan Kaliakmanis / Dual
3 / 268 / 9
Minnesota
Terrence Lewis / OLB / 4*
3 / 30 / 2
TBD
Savion Byrd / OT
3 / 12 / 2
Texas
Raesjon Davis / OLB
3 / 19 / 1
Southern Cal
4​
Sam Jackson / ATH
4 / 270 / 25
Minnesota
Leonard Taylor / DT
4 / 36 / 6
TBD
Landon Jackson / WDE
4 / 16 / 1
TBD
Troy Franklin / WR
4 / 23 / 2
TBD
5​
Dominic Bass / DT
5 / 273 / 21
Michigan
Branden Jennings / OLB
5 / 39 / 4
Florida State
Tunmise Adeleye / SDE
5 / 26 / 3
TBD
Beaux Collins / WR / 4*
5 / 34 / 3
tOSU
6​
Mac Uihlein / ILB
6 / 286 / 10
TBD (No illinois offer)
Bryce Langston / WDE
6 / 42 / 3
Florida
Ja'Tavion Sanders / ATH / 4*
6 / 46 / 4
Texas
Tyler Buchner / PRO
6 / 50 / 6
Notre Dame
7​
Justin Johnson / RB
7 / 299 / 18
TBD (Illinois offer)
Jason Marshall / CB
7 / 47 / 4
Miami (FL)
Donovan Jackson / OT
7 / 57 / 11
TBD
Miller Moss / PRO
7 / 59 / 7
TBD
8​
Dominic Lovett / WR
8 / 303 / 50
TBD (Illinois offer)
Mario Williams / WR
8 / 48 / 6
Oklahoma
Prestopn Stone / DUAL
8 / 58 / 2
TBD
Ma'a Gaoteote / OLB
8 / 63 /5
Southern Cal
9​
Mar'Keise Irving / RB / 3*
8 / 359 /25
TBD (Illinois offer)
Jacorey Brooks / WR
9 / 60 /9
Miami (FL)
Jalen Milroe / DUAL
9 / 65 /3
Texas
Seven McGee / RB
9 / 83 / 5
Oregon
10​
Bryan Sanborn / ILB
10 / 366 / 13
Wisconsin
Xavian Sorey / ATH
10 / 62 / 5
Alabama
Shadrach Banks / ATH
10 / 67 / 6
Texas A&M
Ethan Calvert / ATH
10 / 90 / 9
Washington
Next 10 (in order):
1 to Iowa
1 to Notre Dame
1 to Minnesota
1 to Michigan
Next 10 (no order)(all 4*):
2 to FSU
2 to Clemson
1 to tOSU
1 to FL
Next 10 (no order)(all 4*)
3 to Texas A&M
2 to Texas
1 to Oklahoma
1 to Alabama
Next 10 (no order)(all 4*)
2 to Oregon
1 to Notre Dame
1 Southern Cal
1 to Alabama
20th IL: 702 national20th FL: 148 National2oth TX: 112 national20th CA: 202 national

Well done. The next question would be, on average, how many Floridians, Texans, Californians and Illinoisans are in the top 1000 every year?

Bonus question, on average if you combine the entire Midwest (border idea stolen from twangers), do they have more top 1000 players than when you combine the big 3? And what is the mean ranking of the players from those areas?
 
Just North of the Southern border!
Well done. The next question would be, on average, how many Floridians, Texans, Californians and Illinoisans are in the top 1000 every year?

Bonus question, on average if you combine the entire Midwest (border idea stolen from twangers), do they have more top 1000 players than when you combine the big 3? And what is the mean ranking of the players from those areas?
Thanks.

I will try and get that info.

What I do know is that for the past two recruiting classes, UoI had about equal numbers of kids below and above 1000. Want to say about 47% above and 53% below (1-999).

The other 5 B10 West teams had better ratios than UoI.


BTW, my interest is B10 West, nothing else.
 
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From my cheat sheet:

Name of player / position
State / national / position
Committed to

(Subject to change)(data from 247, gathered a few days ago)
Wow. I know it's only one year, but the fact that the second highest ranked player from IL is ranked lower than the 20th ranked players from TX or FL is certainly telling.

Also, gtfoh Minny!
 
Just North of the Southern border!
Distribution of Top 1000 by state (247):


State\Year
2019
2020
IL
19​
18​
IN
12​
9​
KY
12​
11​
MO
21​
20​
IA
6​
7​
WI
3​
9​
CA
97​
82​
FL
138​
125​
TX
130​
128​

UoI signed 6 in each year?

Lovie stated, in his presser for Red box, that UoI offered 19 in IL, none signed (I think it included the WR that has committed and not signed as yet)
 
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I think its fair to say that Lovie is not an elite recruiter like Zook and Locks were. Those guys also had the benefit of having pre-existing relationships with HS coaches and players that they brought with them to Illinois; Lovie did not. Hiring assistants like Patterson and Clark, with relationships to players, has paid recruiting dividends. I would very much like to see Lovie add another guy or two like that to the staff. Lovie seems to have created a better culture; he needs assistants out on the road who can sell that to recruits.
 
I think its fair to say that Lovie is not an elite recruiter like Zook and Locks were. Those guys also had the benefit of having pre-existing relationships with HS coaches and players that they brought with them to Illinois; Lovie did not. Hiring assistants like Patterson and Clark, with relationships to players, has paid recruiting dividends. I would very much like to see Lovie add another guy or two like that to the staff. Lovie seems to have created a better culture; he needs assistants out on the road who can sell that to recruits.
this is what we are currently seeing. Adding price and Bellamy should bear fruit in 2021
 
Cincinnati, OH
Guessing Illinois will not have a serious shot at him based on his Chicagoland location, but Mac Uihlein would be a major get for 2021 (sarcastic narrator: Or be the next chapter of close misses on 4⭐ linebackers).
 
Literally the 50th best kid in FL is in the Top 10 in Illinois. That's why i'm not that worried about recruiting the state.
You’ll never consistently sign those players from FL or TX, which is why you have to care.

Pending a few re-evals, we haven’t signed one top fifty player (Let alone top 100) in either of those states in this cycle. We will sign one top ten player from Illinois and two from Missouri. The point here should speak for itself. If you’re treating non-border states as must recruit areas and you don’t have a national footprint, you’re running uphill into the wind.
 
I don't think that you understand how much better hs football in FL is than IL.
Indeed I do, Kevin. I've seen a lot of prep football in the Tampa ST Pete region (as well as Midland/Odessa in Texas and Cincinnati in Ohio). They play at an entirely different level than Illinois. There's no question that their skill and speed players are overwhelmingly superior and have numbers that dwarf the quality skill players in Illinois. The only place we're competitive with Florida is in Offensive lineman due to some exceptional weight training programs in many Illinois High schools. Illinois should have resources that are far better than Florida considering that in Illinois $17,297 per year is spent per pupil and Florida only spends $10,686 per pupil. http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/2019 Rankings and Estimates Report.pdf page 60. With what Illinois spends, it should have far better coaching, player development, and equipment to have players meet their potential. Too bad high performance of our students is not the primary goal of our public schools. If it were, we'd have Spring football to at least be competitive with lower spending, higher athletically performing students in other states.

OL should be one position we shouldn't have to go to Florida to get, yet we get shut out for the top ones with this staff. When we're getting the 263rd best player in Florida for OL when much better OL are in Illinois, that's a people and process problem....

We should be getting WRs, TEs (like Barker), RBs, pass rushers, DBs and LBs from Florida on a regular basis if Florida is our focus. We should be getting a Dele Harding and Hansen every year, but we aren't. that's the problem.....
 
You are assuming Illinois gets the same bang for its buck than Florida does. Doubt that.
 
appreciate your posts. And we just place 4th in the big west and 8th in the big ten with the kind of recruits we have had. Although we certainly want more, I think Lovie and co showed that it could be done, for at least 1 season. I’m trusting their ability to find players and produce with them. In some ways, this class looks better than some of the early classes that got us to a middle of the big ten.
Thunderwear, I respecetfully disagree with the statement that our early classes got us to the middle of the pack in the B1G. Those classes got us a 4-8 quality team. This year's transfers (Peters, BheBhe, Eifler, Pettibon Wole, and Navarro) got us to the middle of the pack. Without them, we saw what the Lovie prep recruits could do in the NW game. That team against NW had an upside of 4 wins, if that. No MSU win. No Wisconsin win. Maybe no Connecticut win.

They accomplished about what 4-4* and 1-5* upperclassman were expected to achieve, although the problems they had that kept them down on their previous depth charts, injury problems, severely cut back their effectiveness into the season. That was the risk we took with them, but it paid off enough for some spectacular comebacks and upsets that branded this season. Definitely worth it, but we can't expect that level of talent infusion from transfers this year.

The problem is that we need that kind of talent transfer upgrade every year to reach minor bowls, and attracting that level of recruit annually is extremely unlikely. We'll see.
 
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Cheat sheet #2A (partial)(6 states out of 15)

UoI FB 2021 offer list (subject to change):

Position / stars
State / National / Position
Committed to

ILTXFLNCGAMO
1​
PRO / 5*
1 / 17 / 4
Michigan
DUAL / 4*
8 / 58 / 2
TBD
DUAL / 3*
60 / 385 / 14
TBD
APB / 5*
2 / 21 / 1
TBD
RB / 4*
23 / 236 / 13
CLEMSON
RB / 3*
7 / 492 / 36
TBD
2​
DUAL / 3*
22 / 707 / 23
TBD
DUAL / 3*
114 / 863 / 26
ILLINOIS
DUAL / 3*
81 / 623 / 17
TBD
WR / 4*
4 / 85 / 14
TBD
WR / 4*
12 / 131 / 25
TBD
WR / 3*
6 / 466 / 79
TBD
3​
RB / 4*
7 / 299 /19
TBD
RB / 4*
41 / 245 / 14
TBD
RB / 4*
40 / 277 / 16
TBD
WR / 3*
25 / 448 / 75
TBD
OLB / 4*
9 / 100 / 6
TBD
WDE / 4*
2 / 92 / 4
TBD
4​
RB / 3*
9 / 359 / 25
TBD
RB / 3*
99 / 714 / 56
TBD
WR / 4*
30 / 223 / 37
TBD
TE / 3*
27 / 476 / 19
TBD
OLB / 4*
22 / 234 / 16
FLORIDA
DT / 4*
3 / 97 / 8
Notre Dame
5​
RB / 3*
14 / 500 / 36
TBD
WR / 4*
30 / 161 / 31
TBD
WR / 4*
43 / 287 / 46
TBD
TE / NA
NA / NA / NA
TBD
CB / 4*
1 / 51 / 5
TBD
6​
WR / 4*
8 / 303 / 50
TBD
WR / 4*
37 / 228 / 39
TBD
OT / NA
NA/ NA / NA
TBD
OT / 3*
29 / 528 / 51
TBD
7​
WR / 3*
21 / 703/ 112
TBD
WR / 3*
64 / 463 / 78
TBD
SDE / 4*
13 / 91 / 7
TBD
OT / 3*
37 / 687 / 65
TBD
8​
TE / 3*
13 / 472 / 18
TBD
WR / 3*
70 / 517 /87
TBD
OLB / 3*
72 / 540 / 39
TBD
OT / NA
NA/ NA /NA
TBD
9​
OT / 4*
2 / 159 / 22
MICHIGAN
WR / 3*
88 / 642 / 105
TBD
CB / NA
NA / NA / NA
TBD
OG / 4*
9 / 156 / 4
TBD
10​
OT / 3*
16 / 553 / 54
TBD
OT / 5*
3 / 12 / 2
TBD
CA / NA
NA / NA / NA
TBD
OG / 3*
24 / 413 / 16
TBD
11​
SDE / 3*
18 / 578 / 38
TBD
OT / 3*
54 / 381 / 39
TBD
S / 3*
58 / 377 / 15
TBD
12​
OLB / 3*
20 / 702 / 49
TBD
OT / 3*
80 / 544 / 52
TBD
13​
ATH / 4*
4 / 270 / 25
MINNESOTA
WDE / NA
NA / NA / NA
TBD
14​
SDE / 5*
5 / 26 / 3
TBD
15​
SDE / 4*
3? / 165 / 11
TBD
16​
SDE / 4*
36 / 219 / 15
TBD
17​
SDE / NA
NA / NA / NA
TBD
18​
DT / NA
NA / NA / NA
TBD
19​
ILB / 4*
21 / 116 / 3
TBD
20​
OLB / NA
NA / NA / NA
TBD
21​
ATH / 4*
10 / 67 / 6
TEXAS A&M
 
Just North of the Southern border!
Cheat sheet #2B (partial)(remaining 9 states)

UoI FB 2021 offer list (subject to change):

Position / stars
State / National / Position
Committed to

WVSCAZCAMDALMSDCMI
1​
OT / 4*
2 / 78 / 13
TBD
OT / NA
NA / NA / NA
TBD
ILB / 3*
21 / 640 / 24
TBD
CB / 4*
11 / 120 / 9
TBD
CB / 4*
9 / 163 / 12
TBD
ATH / NA
NA / NA /NA
TBD
ATH / NA
NA / NA / NA
TBD
DUAL / 5*
1 / 15 /1
TBD
RB / 4*
3 / 49 / 2
TBD
2​
SDE / 4*
3 / 165 / 11
TBD
OG / NA
NA / NA / NA
TBD
CB / 4*
18 / 167 / 12
TBD
WR / 4*
3 / 307 /
TBD
3​
ATH / 4*
22 / 252 / 21
OREGON
SDE / 3*
4 / 420 / 30
TBD
 
Thunderwear, I respecetfully disagree with the statement that our early classes got us to the middle of the pack in the B1G. Those classes got us a 4-8 quality team. This year's transfers (Peters, BheBhe, Eifler, Pettibon Wole, and Navarro) got us to the middle of the pack. Without them, we saw what the Lovie prep recruits could do in the NW game. That team against NW had an upside of 4 wins, if that. No MSU win. No Wisconsin win. Maybe no Connecticut win.

They accomplished about what 4-4* and 1-5* upperclassman were expected to achieve, although the problems they had that kept them down on their previous depth charts, injury problems, severely cut back their effectiveness into the season. That was the risk we took with them, but it paid off enough for some spectacular comebacks and upsets that branded this season. Definitely worth it, but we can't expect that level of talent infusion from transfers this year.

The problem is that we need that kind of talent transfer upgrade every year to reach minor bowls, and attracting that level of recruit annually is extremely unlikely. We'll see.
I agree with much of what you are saying. But the transfers in, one could argue, replaced the player’s that left. Williams, Watkins, Roundtree, rivers, etc. we definitely picked up skill players, but we also are still missing a class of players. I agree that our recruiting has not been stellar, particularly instate. But I also think talent evaluations have been stellar. I also don’t know how many 4 and 5* athletes from Illinois were going to come to Illinois. Did we miss on important recruits? Yes. Emphatically without a doubt. Does it need to be fixed? Definitely. We have to land higher quality in state prospects and border state prospects. Did transfers help us? Without a doubt. Did transfers out hurt us. Immensely. I think rivers would be starting over peters. I think Roundtree was better than Betiku. Truth is that it’s hard to imagine this team without bhebhe and we are certainly short on depth.. But I do believe that depth issue is mostly resolved. And I’m not concerned with our recruiting at the time being. I think it’s improving and we are learning from our mistakes. I appreciate your take and voice in the boards. Despite some of what I say, when I’m not playing devils advocate, I agree with much of what you are saying. I may not take it as far as you take it. But it’s good to have someone with so much experience and insight sharetheir insights. Thanks for the posts!
 
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