Illinois Football Recruiting Thread

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1) I always hated working for bosses that did not work as hard as me. The work culture sucked big time. I can't imagine what it's like being an assistant knowing your #1 isn't hitting the trail with the same conviction.

2) sitting back and catching transfers will only last so long. Eventually someone or multiple someones will adjust. Mean while the prep market become s less and less engaged. DGMW Ford is an incredible pick up for Illini, but come on.

3) so what are we? Is there a comp for Illini? Can we change the perception of Illini with that kind of recruiting? Can we be a 7 win team consistenty? Transfer U sounds and feels emotionless for a fan base. We are already lifeless as a fan base. There is no comparison between kstate and illini imo. Snyder had a fanatically commitment to culture and process. Lovie is not touching that. It's been soooooo sloppy it's ridiculous.

4) I guess a big part of what I was hoping for was for Lovie to be around long enough and win enough that a real coaching tree emerged. At this point I still see a lot of spare parts. I don't see a transition. I see a cleaning of the house if Lovie moves on.
Yuck. Find a great #2 invest in him set up the program and move on. (Please no son on the team jokes).
1) All bosses suck 90% of time
2) We only had a net worth of 2.5 transfer player influence last yr(2=BeBe/Potibon, .5=Betiku). Hardley transfer U
3) Snyder K/State comparison makes no sense. Completely "diff time" in life and he was there for some yrs
4) I agree but we did have a couple quality coaches move on after this season. I think Patterson's being groomed in the mean time
 
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1) All bosses suck 90% of time
2) We only had a net worth of 2.5 transfer player influence last yr(2=BeBe/Potibon, .5=Betiku). Hardley transfer U
3) Snyder K/State comparison makes no sense. Completely "diff time" in life and he was there for some yrs
4) I agree but we did have a couple quality coaches move on after this season. I think Patterson's being groomed in the mean time
I don’t know your criteria here, but Brandon Peters and Milo Eifler were pretty significant IMO.
 
3) Snyder K/State comparison makes no sense. Completely "diff time" in life and he was there for some yrs
Comparing Snyder to Lovie is crazy. Snyder pulled off maybe the greatest coaching job in history. His attention to detail and ability to identify and develop talent is unparalleled. I hate to say it, but Lovie is just not that good a coach. His teams are not well prepared, the players don't develop like they do at other programs, he's terrible at game and clock management. Now that Schiano is back at Rutgers we have the worst coaching staff in the Big 10
 
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1) All bosses suck 90% of time
2) We only had a net worth of 2.5 transfer player influence last yr(2=BeBe/Potibon, .5=Betiku). Hardley transfer U
3) Snyder K/State comparison makes no sense. Completely "diff time" in life and he was there for some yrs
4) I agree but we did have a couple quality coaches move on after this season. I think Patterson's being groomed in the mean time
Um I think you might of missed a couple....Peter's and Eifler our leading passer and 3rd leading tackler and what about Navarro not counting him?
 
Comparing Snyder to Lovie is crazy. Snyder pulled off maybe the greatest coaching job in history. His attention to detail and ability to identify and develop talent is unparalleled. I hate to say it, but Lovie is just not that good a coach. His teams are not well prepared, the players don't develop like they do at other programs, he's terrible at game and clock management. Now that Schiano is back at Rutgers we have the worst coaching staff in the Big 10
Bill Snyder. Lovie Smith
Year 1 - 1-10. 2-10
Year 2 - 5-6. 4-8
Year 3 - 7-4. 6-7
Year 4 - 5-6
Not counting Lovies first year because when he was hired.

Wow not a good coach...that's a stretch this team was coming of a scandal and a lame duck coach when Lovie was hired and he has improved our record year over year people on this board need to be more realistic about building this program.
 
Bill Snyder. Lovie Smith
Year 1 - 1-10. 2-10
Year 2 - 5-6. 4-8
Year 3 - 7-4. 6-7
Year 4 - 5-6
Not counting Lovies first year because when he was hired.

Wow not a good coach...that's a stretch this team was coming of a scandal and a lame duck coach when Lovie was hired and he has improved our record year over year people on this board need to be more realistic about building this program.
Don't even try. No, you cannot give Smith a Mulligan for the first year. That's ridiculous. Kansas State was winless the two seasons prior to Snyder, and he led them to 7 wins (no bowl back then) in year three, and 9, 9 and 10 wins in years five through seven. Look, we all understand rebuilding a football program is difficult, but don't bother trying to compare Smith to Snyder.
 
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Just wondering - how many wins will it take for the Lovie-haters in this group to change their tune? Will he still be a poor recruiter and bad coach if we win 7 this year? What about 8? And the good Lord forbid, what if we finish the regular season at 9-3?
I'm only complaining about recruiting here. My concern is that his recruiting has already peaked (Beason and Williams class) due to a combination of new coaching regime and CP hire. Last year got off to a really slow start and low and behold, resulted in small underwhelming class. Now this year another ridiculously slow start and nothing to show yet for the 6-7 season.
 
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Just wondering - how many wins will it take for the Lovie-haters in this group to change their tune? Will he still be a poor recruiter and bad coach if we win 7 this year? What about 8? And the good Lord forbid, what if we finish the regular season at 9-3?
Express any sort of doubt as to the direction of the program, question any action of the head coach or reflect on his performance and get labeled a hater. What a testament to public discourse in these times!

I'm curious, what new excuses will the Lovie-lovers give if the squad finishes below average? And when will the Lovie-lovers finally start a Lovie Loyalty board? There, they can discuss their love of nepotism and how Lovie can do no wrong, and anyone who disagrees can be labeled a troll, and, of course, a hater.
 
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Bill Snyder. Lovie Smith
Year 1 - 1-10. 2-10
Year 2 - 5-6. 4-8
Year 3 - 7-4. 6-7
Year 4 - 5-6
Not counting Lovies first year because when he was hired.

Wow not a good coach...that's a stretch this team was coming of a scandal and a lame duck coach when Lovie was hired and he has improved our record year over year people on this board need to be more realistic about building this program.
Complete apples to oranges....Snyder was an unknown going into a school with zero football history, terrible facilities, no national brand name and next to nothing in terms of local recruiting. Not saying Lovie came into a great situation by any means, but he came in with strong name recognition to a school coming off 6 and 5 win seasons and a Rose Bowl appearance within the decade. UI is within a 2 hour drive of what, 15 million people? Face it, Lovie was in a great position to come in and effect a pretty quick turnaround and he squandered that opportunity. If he wins 7 or more this year he has earned some more time.
 
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Just wondering - how many wins will it take for the Lovie-haters in this group to change their tune? Will he still be a poor recruiter and bad coach if we win 7 this year? What about 8? And the good Lord forbid, what if we finish the regular season at 9-3?
Apart from one or two posters here all I hear is hope for Lovie, not hate. Most seem to be appealing to realistic numbers on player evals and amount of kids signed. All of us, haters and lovie-ers know 2021 is HUUUUGE for where we are going. We have missed early and often on top talent. Simply put we need more and better for the wins to come in consistently. I've read often posters hoping for 6 and a bowl or 7 and a bowl. I don't read anyone talking 8 or 9. Doesn't sound like hate to me.
 
Complete apples to oranges....Snyder was an unknown going into a school with zero football history, terrible facilities, no national brand name and next to nothing in terms of local recruiting. Not saying Lovie came into a great situation by any means, but he came in with strong name recognition to a school coming off 6 and 5 win seasons and a Rose Bowl appearance within the decade. UI is within a 2 hour drive of what, 15 million people? Face it, Lovie was in a great position to come in and effect a pretty quick turnaround and he squandered that opportunity. If he wins 7 or more this year he has earned some more time.
Also his first stint started in 1989.... The game now is completely different than it was then. K state only had to play 7 conferences games in a very top heavy conference. They also have much lower admissions standard. I'm not sure why we couldn't find a better comparison than this.

Let's not forget how much the west has improved since lovie took over. Our 2019 team probably would've finished second or third in the west in 2015 when cubit was around. no other division/conference has made anywhere near the strides that the west has made in 4 years
 
How about this last year we played in our first bowl game in a while so lets give Lovie a little credit, this coming year we have our most experienced team in the last 5-10 years if we go to another bowl game Lovie stays and is extended if we dont he is let go. While we all would like to build a program in the conventional way with high school players one size does not fit all, if it takes 5 transfers aand 10 Juco a year so be it
 
I don’t understand the whole transfer/prep recruiting...
Prep recruiting is a marathon. Apparently staff tells recruits to wait to see campus, facilities, people. Wait for senior year tape also. Staff is slow, doesn’t do as well relative to big ten.

However, transfer recruiting is a sprint. Name in the portal, have to reach out right away, lots of effort, commit happens soon. Relationships not as strong (probably). Sometimes players are backups, not much college tape. Staff does well here.

Does the staff just not want prep recruits??? Take a dozen each class, ones with high potential (IW, Beason) or body potential projects (big frame and athletic)? Mix in a few depth/fit pieces like brown and Witherspoon.

Transfers had some time in college, used to environment? Less prep recruits, more opportunities for transfers?
 
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Um I think you might of missed a couple....Peter's and Eifler our leading passer and 3rd leading tackler and what about Navarro not counting him?
I agree about Navarro's contribution and this isn't meant to diminish him, but I'm not sure he fits into the "Transfer U" narrative. While he's obviously a transfer, he came in as a walk-on. It's not like the staff prioritized him over a high school player at the time he came aboard.
 
I'm only complaining about recruiting here. My concern is that his recruiting has already peaked (Beason and Williams class) due to a combination of new coaching regime and CP hire. Last year got off to a really slow start and low and behold, resulted in a small underwhelming class. Now this year another ridiculously slow start and nothing to show yet for the 6-7 season.
It might have been small because there is something called scholarship limits. They had a small senior class, thus it is leading to a small freshman class. It’s not rocket science.
 
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It might have been small because there is something called scholarship limits. They had a small senior class, thus it is leading to a small freshman class. It’s not rocket science.
Well aware of the limit, but we weren't even able to fill to the limit. And besides the quantity, very underwhelming. Zero 4 star and a significant step down from the class prior.
 
Express any sort of doubt as to the direction of the program, question any action of the head coach or reflect on his performance and get labeled a hater. What a testament to public discourse in these times!

I'm curious, what new excuses will the Lovie-lovers give if the squad finishes below average? And when will the Lovie-lovers finally start a Lovie Loyalty board? There, they can discuss their love of nepotism and how Lovie can do no wrong, and anyone who disagrees can be labeled a troll, and, of course, a hater.
i think his argument, or at least mine. Is that Lovie isn’t being lazy. He has a way that he believes it should be done. MOst of it is based on being a pro. If Lovie doesn’t qualify for a bowl this year, he should be fired. And, the team was competitive last year. It’s not too much to expect and believe the same this year. Whether his non traditional vision for NCAA football works, is yet to be determined. Although our prep recruiting leaves a lot to be desired, our transfer recruiting has been exceptional. So has our scouting. We have pulled players that are very good, that were not even on radars and there has been quite a bit of success (witherspoon, brown, Barnes, etc.) . The notion that Lovie isn’t on par with expectations is arguable, but a dislike for his style doesn’t mean he is doing poorly. We are trending up with wins and our roster is improving Lovie has had success in the nfl and I believe deserves the benefit of the doubt. And, if we don’t qualify for a bowl, this is a different conversation
 
I thought I remembered a 1000+ post thread about lovie getting fired and who we would replace him with last year when he was trying to recruit the 2020 class. I'm not really suprised he didn't do well.
So we're now blaming Dan for the recruiting failures of the staff? Do we really need to stoop this low looking for excuses? Seriously, some of you guys need to create your own board.
 
Don't even try. No, you cannot give Smith a Mulligan for the first year. That's ridiculous. Kansas State was winless the two seasons prior to Snyder, and he led them to 7 wins (no bowl back then) in year three, and 9, 9 and 10 wins in years five through seven. Look, we all understand rebuilding a football program is difficult, but don't bother trying to compare Smith to Snyder.
Oh how dare I show optimism on this board...and by the way your the one comparing I'm just reporting the records, I figure data is better than your opinion...by the way 5 through seven dont count in this situation because Lovie hasn't coached those yet.
 
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