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I am personally tired of all the gnashing of the teeth about in-state recruiting. We have made kids priorities, "showed them all the love", and they still took off to Michigan, Georgia, Alabama and Notre Damn. It isn't going to change until the program improves. A 3 star Illinois kid is not the same level as a 3 star southern kid.
Whether anyone believes Collier is going to bounce or not, he is currently committed to IL. The QB room is sitting real nice. You got room for 1. Who are you taking, 6'3" 210 from a power house in Texas or 6ft 180 from a power house in Missouri. Come on guys
Most (don't come at me with examples like IW, I said most and you know it) kids do not care about loyalty. Big stars see big lights. Big lights come with winning.
Team Texas 3 Stars vs Team Illinois 3 Stars - The question is not who wins, it is how many points does Team Texas win by

I would like to know examples of "showing them all the love".and choosing another school. My statements are from actual recruits experiences and not the pretend social media hype.
Your comments about Texas is obviously the way the staff feel as well. That being said, why blame in state players and coaches when it's clear they are not wanted? I am having difficulty understanding the logic. Kids everywhere else is better but, we want you to come and be put on the back burner whenever we can land a "better kid". I just don't get it.
 
       
Illinois recruits in football and basketball spurn the Illini. And honestly, a school in Minneapolis is more like Chicago than a school in Champaign. But I don’t agree with the staff not making offers to p5 players in state. They don’t have to prioritize them, as we hear about. but offering solid p5 contributors from Illinois As the 20th p5 offer is weird. I don’t agree that 3* Texas is better than 3* Illinois. But I do agree Texas recruits are more accurately ranked.So you are more likely to get what you see.

A 3 star is a 3 star period. I am not following the logic.
 
       
All of this angst about Illinois kids on our team seems pretty weird to me, considering that we have over 30 kids from Illinois on the roster. I get that it seems we don't offer/get the kids we'd like to get, but having about a third of the roster from the state suggests that we aren't ignoring our high schools.

Also, nobody's mentioned Northwestern. They no doubt have had a pretty good run the past several seasons. Much better than we have. Never had any indication that Fitzgerald had alienated the state. Yet, they only have 13 Illinois kids on their roster.

I guess I'm with the crowd that, while I would love for UI to get the top kids from the state, I'll be happy with the best players from where ever.
 
       
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I would like to know examples of "showing them all the love".and choosing another school. My statements are from actual recruits experiences and not the pretend social media hype.
Your comments about Texas is obviously the way the staff feel as well. That being said, why blame in state players and coaches when it's clear they are not wanted? I am having difficulty understanding the logic. Kids everywhere else is better but, we want you to come and be put on the back burner whenever we can land a "better kid". I just don't get it.
pardon my spelling, I am not looking these dudes up
Billingsly TE decided on Alabama.
AJ Henning WR decided on Michigan
Mookie WR decided on Ohio State
Those are actual recruits, not people I made up in my mind

I did not blame the coaches nor the players from the state of Illinois. I am tired of hearing about it. If they don't want to come to Illinois and Lovie doesn't want to go after them so what? It is not a hot bed of talent we are missing out on. You can all go else where and Lovie will just have to pull from the South. Which is fine with me
 
       
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Take a look at the 2007 Roster that was 9-3. The State of Illinois is well represented. Once Zook was force to hire to Coordinators that couldn't recruit, all things went down hill. Beckman started a little momentum initially but the treatment of Bailey (perception) put a damper on the Chicago Suburbs.

You can't lament the downfall of Zook having to replace Locksley/Disch/Mallory but also say that Beckman's hiring of Beatty/Gonzales/Banks was the antidote. Couldn't agree more than there used to be more Illinois players on the roster, but that just leans towards my argument; even when there were 50+ Illinois players on the roster, there were still loud complaints about the lack of attention paid by the Illinois football coaching staff within the state. And sure, the Bailey situation looks poorly on the Illinois staff, but those situations happen at every school. You can't convince me that schools like Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Notre Dame, Michigan State, or Ohio State recruited Illinois players and never had one of those situations go south.
 
       
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There are multiple reasons we have theorized on why we struggle in-state compared to others. But one thing that has stayed constant is that this has been a pattern over the last 3 coaching staffs. So title can talk about coaches wanting us to succeed and maybe they do. But reality is this has been a problem across multiple coaching staffs, so I’m not putting a majority of blame on the staffs anymore. It’s a pattern, Lovie identified it and choose a different path. Most likely is will decide his fate here. Let’s just see how it unfolds.
 
       
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You can't lament the downfall of Zook having to replace Locksley/Disch/Mallory but also say that Beckman's hiring of Beatty/Gonzales/Banks was the antidote. Couldn't agree more than there used to be more Illinois players on the roster, but that just leans towards my argument; even when there were 50+ Illinois players on the roster, there were still loud complaints about the lack of attention paid by the Illinois football coaching staff within the state. And sure, the Bailey situation looks poorly on the Illinois staff, but those situations happen at every school. You can't convince me that schools like Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Notre Dame, Michigan State, or Ohio State recruited Illinois players and never had one of those situations go south.

They absolutely have however, they are not the home school. You have a different expectation of your family members than others correct. The pride is within the State right. I will say this, in my experience, the schools you mentioned above excluding Minnesota and Michigan State are pretty upfront and honest during the recruiting process. Not a lot of pretending, just strait to the point. There is a huge difference but I won't go into that. I am not looking to bash this staff. I am simply saying in State is not a priority for this staff which is okay. Don't blame coaches and kids for that.
 
       
I emphatically disagree with that

Your opinion which I can respect.
Stars are not based on talent, they are based on the ability to be a college prospect. This the reason that whenever a kid receive an Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State offer, most jump up a star or two depending on the situation. Lester Cotton is a prime example. He played at ESL as a Freshman and was named to the Max Preps all American team. He was a 3 star. He transferred to a local High School right next to the campus and didn't improve. He remained a 3 star with no offers until Saban came to a game and offered him. He immediately jumped to a 4 star and top 100. After Saban offered, he received 40 more offers. That being said, if Nick based things on ratings and not we he saw with he own eyes, He would have had Lester as a starting guard off and on for 3 years. It's a reason why certain school dominate the recruiting game. They typically go after what they like that fits their system and not what sports writers think based on highlights and T Shirts/shorts.
 
       
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There are multiple reasons we have theorized on why we struggle in-state compared to others. But one thing that has stayed constant is that this has been a pattern over the last 3 coaching staffs. So title can talk about coaches wanting us to succeed and maybe they do. But reality is this has been a problem across multiple coaching staffs, so I’m not putting a majority of blame on the staffs anymore. It’s a pattern, Lovie identified it and choose a different path. Most likely is will decide his fate here. Let’s just see how it unfolds.

Coaches (High School) are not the final decision makers. In a lot of cases they are far from it. Think about this for second. Coach Reed in STL is great friend with Patterson. I mean great friends, yet not one of his top players have chose Illinois. I know the reason and it's not because he don't like Patterson.
 
       
Coaches (High School) are not the final decision makers. In a lot of cases they are far from it. Think about this for second. Coach Reed in STL is great friend with Patterson. I mean great friends, yet not one of his top players have chose Illinois. I know the reason and it's not because he don't like Patterson.
Well then please share the reason.
 
       
Let me just paste this here without comment. This shows where Illinois' 2020 talent came from (total of five from outside the Chicago area, with two being from ESL) and what Power 5 college they committed/signed with. This is based on only the top 2000 HS recruits and some prep recruits nationally, so Kai Kroeger is not included (data was pulled for a different use) and it's only players going to a P5 school. Stars, Rating and Rank are 24/7 composite. Don't forget, Illinois had a commit from Jadon Thompson, 4 star from Chicago ranked 355 with an 0.8925 rating, who (because of grades???) signed with Cincinnati. Iowa and Northwestern each with five recruits.

NameCityStatePositionStarsRatingRankRank TypeCollegeConference
Antonio JohnsonEast Saint LouisILS
4​
0.9651​
78​
HSTexas A&MSEC
A.J. HenningFrankfortILWR
4​
0.9548​
101​
HSMichiganBig Ten
Peter SkoronskiPark RidgeILOC
4​
0.9503​
112​
HSNorthwesternBig Ten
Rylie MillsLake ForestILSDE
4​
0.9306​
159​
HSNotre DameIND
Alante BrownChicagoILWR
3​
0.8897​
1​
PrepNebraskaBig Ten
Tyler ElsburyByronILOG
3​
0.8866​
404​
HSIowaBig Ten
Kevo WesleyChicagoILOC
3​
0.8788​
489​
HSVanderbiltSEC
Javontez SpragginsEast Saint LouisILOC
3​
0.8747​
547​
HSTennesseeSEC
Leshon WilliamsOak LawnILRB
3​
0.8676​
663​
HSIowaBig Ten
Marcus HarperCHICAGOILOG
3​
0.8647​
727​
HSOregonPAC12
Sean McLaughlinFrankfortILSDE
3​
0.8647​
733​
HSNorthwesternBig Ten
Greyson MetzGlen EllynILOLB
3​
0.8627​
776​
HSNorthwesternBig Ten
Dylan BarrettSaint CharlesILOG
3​
0.8626​
779​
HSWisconsinBig Ten
Xander MuellerWheatonILOLB
3​
0.8621​
794​
HSNorthwesternBig Ten
Willis SingletonGurneeILDT
3​
0.8598​
846​
HSIowa StateBig XII
Isaiah BruceLenaILDT
3​
0.8586​
883​
HSIowaBig Ten
Marcellus MoorePlainfieldILAPB
3​
0.8551​
961​
HSPurdueBig Ten
AJ LawsonDecaturILCB
3​
0.8518​
1060​
HSIowaBig Ten
Lukas Van NessBarringtonILSDE
3​
0.8518​
1061​
HSIowaBig Ten
Hunter WelcingLake ZurichILTE
3​
0.8473​
1199​
HSNorthwesternBig Ten
Chau SmithChicagoILCB
3​
0.8442​
1300​
HSWashington StatePAC12
Shontrail KeyChicagoILDT
3​
0.8315​
1706​
HSArizonaPAC12
Jack OlsenWheatonILK
3​
0.8309​
1729​
HSMichigan StateBig Ten
 
       
pardon my spelling, I am not looking these dudes up
Billingsly TE decided on Alabama.
AJ Henning WR decided on Michigan
Mookie WR decided on Ohio State
Those are actual recruits, not people I made up in my mind

I did not blame the coaches nor the players from the state of Illinois. I am tired of hearing about it. If they don't want to come to Illinois and Lovie doesn't want to go after them so what? It is not a hot bed of talent we are missing out on. You can all go else where and Lovie will just have to pull from the South. Which is fine with me


I agree with your bottom statement and my comments are for the individuals who are crying about "no loyalty". Nothing is forced and everyone is choosing want they want.

As far as the individuals listed above, Mookis is from St. Louis and played for Patterson. On one of the visits recruits were kind of disappointed with the amount of attention Patterson and the staff put toward the Trinity kids. I think both AJ's were lost due to the attention Mookie got. In the end the dice was rolled and he came up empty. That's how recruiting goes.

I thought it was good discussion. I understand.
 
       
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A lot of twitter chatter of a commitment or two. I don't know if this from the other day or something new?
 
       
A 3 star is a 3 star period. I am not following the logic.

The logic comes in the tape. Its easier to assess players when, week in and week out, they are going against top-tier talent. So there are fewer questionmarks.
 
       
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I think it’s Trevor Moffit. He’s the one I thought was going to commit this past weekend.
 
       
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The logic comes in the tape. Its easier to assess players when, week in and week out, they are going against top-tier talent. So there are fewer questionmarks.

That is true however stars are not based on film 100%. They are based more on measurable and what the writers think colleges will recruit. If stars were based on film, you would have at totally different ranking system. There is a huge difference between highlights and game film. I am sure you agree.
 
       
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I think it’s Trevor Moffit. He’s the one I thought was going to commit this past weekend.

Could it potentially be Craig? I know he commits later, but would he potentially tell the school he's planning on committing to or does that school typically find out when the rest of the world does?
 
       
But don't we think Moffit already kind of committed? Wasn't he a part of the two commits the other day, Solomon and him? The staff getting excited again tells me there is a third. That's kind of how I see it then.
I agree I think we have 3 commits. I believe sedarius and the transfer from Louisville committed 2 days ago. Moffit was the reaction for today. Also we just got a CB for Craig. This is getting very interesting.
 
       
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Ok so maybe the wrong thread to post this in but wanted to see what others think regarding last year's transfers. How much credit does Rod get for coaching up behbeh and Peters? Did we luck out and get microwave transfers, or did Rod and staff coach them up and get something out of them that MI and USC did not?
I'm asking because the underlying idea that "our" staff is not working as hard would be muted if you think we actually did something with these kids vs plug and play.
I was excited about the Rod hire and still think we are ok with him. Also we are recruiting to our style of play once we get past Peters.
Overall when I consider where we were at and how fast we have upgraded at the most important position I like what our staff has done. Lovie gets knocked for being a defense only guy and does have Rex Grossman on his resume. However he seems to have, or allowed others, to find the parts we need to accelerate our building the program.
IF we land 2021 class with any level of success these last few years HAVE to be seen as a success. I don't see success at this point being tied to were the talent comes from, only that we get it and it translate s to field play. Despite Lovie's seemingly sloppy in game management at times he does seem to get this part of coaching right.
 
       
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How many commitments are we at now? I‘m assuming Collier is decommitting so that would put us at 2? Or does Buchanan count even though no staff ever confirmed it?
 
       
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