Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (June 2020)

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Yep-it’s happening tomorrow. One down, let’s hope number two decides to return! Much longer shot, but still a slight possibility
If Ayo gets told he likely goes in the first, I hope he does not decide to return. I think that's better for all parties, to be honest. I am confident enough in our upcoming roster that I think we can be successful without Ayo. Don't get me wrong, losing him will hurt and we are better with him than without, but the long term benefits are better if he goes in the first round this year.
 
If Ayo gets told he likely goes in the first, I hope he does not decide to return. I think that's better for all parties, to be honest. I am confident enough in our upcoming roster that I think we can be successful without Ayo. Don't get me wrong, losing him will hurt and we are better with him than without, but the long term benefits are better if he goes in the first round this year.
Agree, but having a guy that everyone KNOWs you want to give him the ball, yet he still kills it....that's a really special thing to have.
Gonna miss how he attacked and drew fouls too --him and Feliz really put us in attack mode.
 
If Ayo gets told he likely goes in the first, I hope he does not decide to return. I think that's better for all parties, to be honest. I am confident enough in our upcoming roster that I think we can be successful without Ayo. Don't get me wrong, losing him will hurt and we are better with him than without, but the long term benefits are better if he goes in the first round this year.
Respectfully disagree. Without Ayo, I think we have the potential to be a Top 25/top-6-seed team. With Ayo, we have the potential to win the Big Ten, be a Top 10 team, and a realistic shot at a final four.

To me, that’s the whole goal. I’ll trade a better chance at future five-stars for a season like that all day, every day.

Also, if we go to the Final Four as a Top Ten team, followed by junior Ayo, sophomore Kofi, and freshman Miller all going to the nba... I don’t think it’s going to work against us in recruiting that it took Ayo three years.

I’ll be happy for him, but Ayo staying is absolutely “what’s best for us”.
 
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Agree, but having a guy that everyone KNOWs you want to give him the ball, yet he still kills it....that's a really special thing to have.
Gonna miss how he attacked and drew fouls too --him and Feliz really put us in attack mode.
Hoping that’s Miller now.
 
Respectfully disagree. Without Ayo, I think we have the potential to be a Top 25/top-6-seed team. With Ayo, we have the potential to win the Big Ten, be a Top 10 team, and a realistic shot at a final four.

To me, that’s the whole goal. I’ll trade a better chance at future five-stars for a season like that all day, every day.

Also, if we go to the Final Four as a Top Ten team, followed by junior Ayo, sophomore Kofi, and freshman Miller all going to the nba... I don’t think it’s going to work against us in recruiting that it took Ayo three years.

I’ll be happy for him, but Ayo staying is absolutely “what’s best for us”.
Ayo staying is "what's best for us next season." It's impossible to prove it's "what's best for us" in general (i.e long term). I'd argue him leaving is slightly better long term.

Keep in mind, Ayo was not a consensus 5 star. Most had him at a high 4 star player. That's a compelling narrative for future recruits in the 30 to 60 range. If we can get 2 or 3 of those per recruiting class we will have a lot of success, no 5 star players required.

If Ayo leaving helps improve our chances of the above happening, then I'm willing to trade one Big Ten championship run for a top 25/top 6 seed season plus sustained follow on success.

In short, I think Ayo leaving successfully is slightly advantageous when it helps make top 25/top 6 seed our floor again, even if it hurts us next year.
 
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Ayo staying is "what's best for us next season." It's impossible to prove it's "what's best for us" in general (i.e long term). I'd argue him leaving is slightly better long term.

Keep in mind, Ayo was not a consensus 5 star. Most had him at a high 4 star player. That's a compelling narrative for future recruits in the 30 to 60 range. If we can get 2 or 3 of those per recruiting class we will have a lot of success, no 5 star players required.

If Ayo leaving helps improve our chances of the above happening, then I'm willing to trade one Big Ten championship run for a top 25/top 6 seed season plus sustained follow on success.

In short, I think Ayo leaving successfully is slightly advantageous when it helps make top 25/top 6 seed our floor again, even if it hurts us next year.
I'm hearing all this and if he were to carve out a role in the NBA, then for sure leaving is a great move for him and us. But with him likely being a 2nd rounder at best, if drafted at all, then it ends up being a lose-lose. We don't get him for next year and he never makes it on the big stage.

Meanwhile, playing for a Big Ten champ/final 4 caliber team would have to be incredible for his draft stock with all the exposure he would gain in big games. Sending someone after 3 years and a deep NCAA run is still going to look good on the program....better actually. Unsurprisingly, I am not an NBA scout, however, so I don't know what they are looking for. With his skill, personality, leadership, and determination, I have been surprised that he hasn't been ranked higher on draft boards.
 
Ayo staying is "what's best for us next season." It's impossible to prove it's "what's best for us" in general (i.e long term). I'd argue him leaving is slightly better long term.

Keep in mind, Ayo was not a consensus 5 star. Most had him at a high 4 star player. That's a compelling narrative for future recruits in the 30 to 60 range. If we can get 2 or 3 of those per recruiting class we will have a lot of success, no 5 star players required.

If Ayo leaving helps improve our chances of the above happening, then I'm willing to trade one Big Ten championship run for a top 25/top 6 seed season plus sustained follow on success.

In short, I think Ayo leaving successfully is slightly advantageous when it helps make top 25/top 6 seed our floor again, even if it hurts us next year.
I understand the perspective. I just think junior Ayo leaving along with one or two other guys after a great season is as good or better than sophomore Ayo leaving after a good year that was cut short. I think the publicity of being a top ten team outweighs the soph vs junior benefit of how early he left.
 
If Ayo gets told he likely goes in the first, I hope he does not decide to return. I think that's better for all parties, to be honest. I am confident enough in our upcoming roster that I think we can be successful without Ayo. Don't get me wrong, losing him will hurt and we are better with him than without, but the long term benefits are better if he goes in the first round this year.
From what I've been told the latest info he is receiving is pick number range between 19 and 27.
 
From what I've been told the latest info he is receiving is pick number range between 19 and 27.
Believe that would better than his ranking coming out of HS. Would rather see this than him coming back because he is a late 2nd round pick. Want him to have success after helping us to success.
 
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I understand the perspective. I just think junior Ayo leaving along with one or two other guys after a great season is as good or better than sophomore Ayo leaving after a good year that was cut short. I think the publicity of being a top ten team outweighs the soph vs junior benefit of how early he left.
I just want Ayo to go pro because I think he deserves it, I'm rooting for our kids to grow at this university and make it to the next level. I'd be bummed for him if he's been told he won't be drafted and has to return.
 
I'm hearing all this and if he were to carve out a role in the NBA, then for sure leaving is a great move for him and us. But with him likely being a 2nd rounder at best, if drafted at all, then it ends up being a lose-lose. We don't get him for next year and he never makes it on the big stage.
The thing is, that doesn't appear to be the case currently. A number of projections lately have had him back in the first round. Of course, this is why I prefaced my original post on the topic with "if he is told he will go in the first round."
 
Respectfully disagree. Without Ayo, I think we have the potential to be a Top 25/top-6-seed team. With Ayo, we have the potential to win the Big Ten, be a Top 10 team, and a realistic shot at a final four.

To me, that’s the whole goal. I’ll trade a better chance at future five-stars for a season like that all day, every day.

Also, if we go to the Final Four as a Top Ten team, followed by junior Ayo, sophomore Kofi, and freshman Miller all going to the nba... I don’t think it’s going to work against us in recruiting that it took Ayo three years.

I’ll be happy for him, but Ayo staying is absolutely “what’s best for us”.
This. Villanova is proof that developing guys and winning leads to better guys coming to your program...
 
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The thing is, that doesn't appear to be the case currently. A number of projections lately have had him back in the first round. Of course, this is why I prefaced my original post on the topic with "if he is told he will go in the first round."
Do you have any examples? I'm curious since I googled and the first 3 mocks I saw didn't have him in the 1st + I'm too lazy to keep digging.
 
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