IlliniDent
- Chicago, IL
The THT issue wasn’t a MIF issue. We didn’t bind ourselves to MIF when we picked Ayo over THT, we bound ourselves to Ayo
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Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (May-June 2018)
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The THT issue wasn’t a MIF issue. We didn’t bind ourselves to MIF when we picked Ayo over THT, we bound ourselves to Ayo
Fair enough, too strongly worded. Rose and Parker would probably be the big two in the past 15 years. Still, Calvin Brock and Kendrick Nunn were nice pieces. Also doesn't help we've been crap for a decade. I wouldn't expect any talent like Rose or Parker to come here--in Rose's case, lots of smoke during that recruitment, and lots of controversy since. Not saying I wouldn't ahve wanted him here, but trouble followed. Parker was what, 2012? Squarely at a time we hired a MAC coach. Still surprised we pulled Kendrick.
But yeah, we haven't had a pipeline in years. We do have a lot of history with Simeon however.
sacraig
- The desert
The idea that hiring a guy with MIF ties would somehow mean we can't get players from any other Chicagoland program is just pure silliness. Put down your drink and go outside.
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
My understanding as well
sacraig
- The desert
Well, we didn't get Parker, but we got the guy who fed Parker the ball? That's, like... not last place, right?
To me that's very tightly clinging to a thin reed of rather dubious spin in service of a broader narrative.
Ayo Dosunmu's Recruitment is a larger body than just Ayo Dosunmu himself, and MIF is an inextricable part of that body.
But again, I don't want to overheat the take because there is a lot we don't know, particularly about what it all means going forward.
Peoria Illini
- Peoria, IL
And let's not forget that MIF isn't our only connection with Adam Miller. He grew up in Peoria, around the Manual guys and DMW.
I am not sure we have burned any bridges beyond repair PARTICULARLY if the program starts winning. Secondly if really want to be a winning program on a high level then we cant rely on Chicago or Illinois for that matter alone. I like the national approach that the current staff seems to be taking. Of course results on the court will ultimately define success or failure.
Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
I've said before that good players will tend to be better in any system and with any coach, than less-good players. But a HUGE part of how well a kid performs individually, and how well a group performs together, is dependent on chemistry -- how they get along with and are in synch with the coach and with each other. This is how a Porter Moser can take a team to the Final Four without having sniffed that level of success with any of his previous teams, and without any players that were super highly regarded before. And it's how a certain Pro can switch teams and suddenly have very different individual stats and contribution to the team's success.
They can call it "recruiting to a system" but it really comes down to recruiting guys with similar mindsets and attitudes, and skills that compliment each other, and then developing (and hoping for) the chemistry between them so that they can just go play with speed, skill and confidence.
Given that a lot of that chemistry will be luck, you try to start with the best players possible, and with an effective system, so that even if the chemistry isn't top notch, you'll still have success. If you happen to hit the chemistry lottery too, then your team is "special".
I would love to have any/all of them in Orange and Blue. If I had to choose 1, I'd take Whitney.
Thanks.:thumb:
NBB1979
UIUCFAN1
- Springfield, IL
The Irvins don't owe us anything in the future. We made Ayo a priority as we should have and we signed him. The end.
If the absolute best situation for Adam Miller is to go to a blue blood (not saying it is), I would hope the Irvin's would encourage that. It's BU and the staff's job to present why UI is what's best situation for his future.
Peoria Illini
- Peoria, IL
Good point. The only thing I would expect from the Irvin's and for that matter, any club, is an honest chance to meet with them and any players that play for them. Good relationships are beneficial for both sides of this equation.
+1
I would expect this to be the case, and expect the Irvin's to handle their influence with their players based on individual circumstances. Pipeline = pipe dream. Not saying we won't get more MIF players, just that it will be on a case by case basis.
t7nich
- Central IL
Pushing it out a little further towards a possible decision date could be the thinking here. If so, not a bad idea.
If we land Okoro to go with The other 6, look out Big Ten, We are coming. I haven't been this excited since Dee and Deron. :thumb:
Eh, I fell into this trap when we got Quentin Snider and Leron to commit and then Cliff announced his official visit thinking we were "back"
But if we get Okoro it'll be hard for me not get that feeling again!
Kramer116
- Chicago
Well done once again
All are good players and we would welcome any of them. Hopefully Okoro paves the way , filling the 2018 class. Whitney and Liddell could follow , but have better feeling about Whitney ATM. EJ is gonna have a lot of suitors, blue bloods , making it a drawn out thing. MIF connection will help us with Whitney, then the way things go with Ayo, will help Miller make up his mind.
The situation between Ayo and THT recruitment , was a very unusual situation, which I doubt would ever be repeated. BU had to make the choice, tough one , but was made. This is one time thing that will open doors, not burn bridges.
Our nation wide recruitment is best way to go. Pick from all trees, not just the one. I Feel that is way you could compete with the big boys, with a bigger sampling to chose from. Ayo/Trevain could be compared to a Duo that was recruited sometime back. Maybe next year at this time we be talking about the pieces we adding to complete the puzzle. Would be a conversation this board would hardly be able to stand.
Liddell's schoolmate on the Illini and Mizzou:
https://twitter.com/DwightOregon/status/991820281739202561
https://twitter.com/DwightOregon/status/991820281739202561
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