Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (November 2012-March 2013)

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Everything I have heard is that he is around 200-210. Scout has him listed as 6'8" and 205.
The sites list Parker at 220. He is much larger than Colbert. Like I said Colbert is slightly bigger than Morrow. He is smaller than Russell Woods who is listed at 200. You guys can believe what you want but it is what it is. The moral of the story is he needs to add a substantial amount of muscle.
 
Yep, we won't have an issue with toughness and inner motivation from here on out. Nunn has an attitude like Dee Brown, and once he is placed in a system where his attributes will be channeled to an attack mode full time, I think you will see him explode onto the scene. All of the intangibles are already in place.
The games I have seen Simeon play on espn, I would hope Nunn tightens up his handle before he gets to Champaign. I like him and his athletic ability, but it won't mean anything if he can't handle the ball and limit his TO's.
 
Also 5 years apart.

Williams was listed at 6'5" 180 coming out of high school, ranked the #100 player in the nation on rivals.

There is no way of knowing what Colbert will look like in 5 years.
True, but again, Williams was a small forward and Colbert is a PF/C.
Huge difference necessary 90% of the time in those roles.

Williams came in as a prototypical small forward sporting something that sets him apart from most...a legit, stand still 40"+ vertical leap. He was physically ready to contribute as a small forward, it were his skills that lacked at the collegiate level initially.

Colbert seems to be fairly skilled, but he is very thin for a PF/C right now.
I think that will change as he ages and gets into a solid weight program, but he is quite a bit smaller physically compared to most PF/C who are ready to contribute when compared to what Williams was as a SF.

I hope Colbert comes in and tries to assert himself right away like JuJuan Johnson did for Purdue...I won't expect such output, but I hope it happens. :D
 
Yep, we won't have an issue with toughness and inner motivation from here on out. Nunn has an attitude like Dee Brown, and once he is placed in a system where his attributes will be channeled to an attack mode full time, I think you will see him explode onto the scene. All of the intangibles are already in place.
I'm not doubting his toughness or motivation and I hope and expect he'll develop into a very solid player for us, but based on the 2 or 3 times I've seen Nunn, I would temper any expectations for him "exploding onto the scene" as a freshman in the big ten next year.
 
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The sites list Parker at 220. He is much larger than Colbert. Like I said Colbert is slightly bigger than Morrow. He is smaller than Russell Woods who is listed at 200. You guys can believe what you want but it is what it is. The moral of the story is he needs to add a substantial amount of muscle.
That may be true, but a lot of players have been successful in college without adding a lot of weight (Anthony Davis, Joe Smith, Luol Deng, etc...). Colbert is 6'8-6'9 and is extremely athletic (quick jumper) and can stretch the defense with his outside shooting. I am looking forward to watching him develop at the UofI!
 
The games I have seen Simeon play on espn, I would hope Nunn tightens up his handle before he gets to Champaign. I like him and his athletic ability, but it won't mean anything if he can't handle the ball and limit his TO's.
I've noticed the same watching the ESPN games, but in the dozen or so AAU games I've watched he had zero issues with his ballhandling and passing. I've heard from some pretty solid sources in Chicago that Simeon is a very difficult place to play for some guys due to their depth, rotation philosophy, and deference to the star player as option 1 on all offensive sets. Same at WY. For some, it really limits their productivity and their flow while on the floor. Nunn, and the rest of the team at times, seem to defer WAY too much to Parker when playing a top ranked team on TV.

I'm sure some of this is expectations from coaching staff, which makes players tentative...and once that sets in, it is hard to get into a flow.

We'll see by next season, but in AAU he has looked stellar.
 
I'm not doubting his toughness or motivation and I hope and expect he'll develop into a very solid player for us, but based on the 2 or 3 times I've seen Nunn, I would temper any expectations for him "exploding onto the scene" as a freshman in the big ten next year.
Well, by exploding onto the scene as a freshman, I'm merely talking about approaching DJ's contributions when he was B1G Freshman of the Year...in essence, only around 8-9 ppg. That is exploding for most freshman.

In reality, I don't care about his ppg as much as his bringing toughness, speed and quickness to a position where it is SORELY lacking, and defensive intensity as well. In those areas, he'll provide immediate impact.
 
I've noticed the same watching the ESPN games, but in the dozen or so AAU games I've watched he had zero issues with his ballhandling and passing. I've heard from some pretty solid sources in Chicago that Simeon is a very difficult place to play for some guys due to their depth, rotation philosophy, and deference to the star player as option 1 on all offensive sets. Same at WY. For some, it really limits their productivity and their flow while on the floor. Nunn, and the rest of the team at times, seem to defer WAY too much to Parker when playing a top ranked team on TV.

I'm sure some of this is expectations from coaching staff, which makes players tentative...and once that sets in, it is hard to get into a flow.

We'll see by next season, but in AAU he has looked stellar.

I can see that, but taking care of the basketball is something that any coach should emphasize on a regular basis. IMO, it isn't acceptable to be pushing the ball and just lose the ball with little or no pressure from the defense. I have seen that a couple of times and it just raised a red flag for me. I think 99% of high school kids can work on tightening up their handle before they get to the next level of competition.
 
I'm not doubting his toughness or motivation and I hope and expect he'll develop into a very solid player for us, but based on the 2 or 3 times I've seen Nunn, I would temper any expectations for him "exploding onto the scene" as a freshman in the big ten next year.
I would not disagree with you but I urge caution. I have seen Jabari play 3 times and at no time could anyone come away from those games and think he was even a D-I player much less a superstar. I don't doubt that he has superstar talent but if you based it on those three games you'd tell the kid to study hard because he's going to need his degree.

The point is that a couple game sample is not enough to accurately frame a picture of a kid.
 
Camp measurements from last year had him at 189lbs. Take it for what its worth.
http://www.maxpreps.com/blogs/blog....log&ssid=67fccc32-381d-49f5-9f6d-a85ab14533b1

The Deron Williams Skills Academy and Amar'e Stoudemire Skills Academy got underway Thursday in Chicago and run through Saturday. The Kevin Durant Skills Academy begins Sunday. The top 80 players from those three events will be selected to compete in the LeBron James Skills Academy July 6-9 in Las Vegas.

Here is a look at the roster and measurements for high school participants in the Williams/Stoudemire events:

Amar'e Stoudemire Skills Academy (big men) from 6/22/12

Austin Colbert (6-8, 201) – Hotchkiss (Lakeville, Conn.)

Others for reference:

Cliff Alexander (6-8, 240) – Curie (Chicago)
Thomas Hamilton (6-10, 283) – Whitney Young (Chicago)
Devin Williams (6-8, 235) – Montverde Academy (Fla.)
 
I've noticed the same watching the ESPN games, but in the dozen or so AAU games I've watched he had zero issues with his ballhandling and passing. I've heard from some pretty solid sources in Chicago that Simeon is a very difficult place to play for some guys due to their depth, rotation philosophy, and deference to the star player as option 1 on all offensive sets. Same at WY. For some, it really limits their productivity and their flow while on the floor. Nunn, and the rest of the team at times, seem to defer WAY too much to Parker when playing a top ranked team on TV.

I'm sure some of this is expectations from coaching staff, which makes players tentative...and once that sets in, it is hard to get into a flow.

We'll see by next season, but in AAU he has looked stellar.
The few Simeon games I've seen have looked like free-for-alls with no structured offense whatsoever and no semblance of a rotation pattern. I know others will disagree, but it really does look like Robert Smith just rolls the balls out and says "Get the ball to Jabari." I'm not going to worry about Nunn unless he struggles after a year of coaching from the staff.
 
Nunn will be fine

People will surely !!!!! at some point next year that he's not doing much offensively, but then fail to realize that the starting 2G this year hasn't done much offensively for the past three seasons.
 
Tommy did grow to 6'10 it looks like. I hope he doesn't end up better than AJ Hammons. TH only has to look as far as a player like Josh Smith to see what lack of conditioning can do to a star player. Really it seems like he just needs to look at himself in the mirror. I wish anyone could really fill us in on what's going on with this kid.

I agree with Dayton. This years Parker is nowhere near the player he has been, and thevNBA is a long ways off for the current player. Good thing a Duke degree along with being a star player at that university ends up being a perfect way to network yourself into a great career.

I finally watched Wiggins play, and all I can say is, wow. He deserves the 1 spot without a doubt.
 
Tommy did grow to 6'10 it looks like. I hope he doesn't end up better than AJ Hammons. TH only has to look as far as a player like Josh Smith to see what lack of conditioning can do to a star player. Really it seems like he just needs to look at himself in the mirror. I wish anyone could really fill us in on what's going on with this kid.

I agree with Dayton. This years Parker is nowhere near the player he has been, and thevNBA is a long ways off for the current player. Good thing a Duke degree along with being a star player at that university ends up being a perfect way to network yourself into a great career.

I finally watched Wiggins play, and all I can say is, wow. He deserves the 1 spot without a doubt.
Have to agree on that I watched him on tv this weekend and he would own Parker.. Of course it did help that their team looked a little more organized playing and they let others make plays but he is by far a better player at this point.. I am just not that impressed the times I have seen Parker play.. He will be more than one and done.. Minimum 2-3 years before he is ready for the NBA.. Wiggins will be a one and done.
 
A player to compare Nunn to at this point would be Osiris Eldridge who played for Illinois State a few years ago. Same height, similar athleticism, both with mediocre handles, both great finishers.. I just hope Nunn turns out to be a better shooter than Eldridge was.
 
Kinda off topic, but those UFC guys don't weigh the same at the fight as they do for the weigh-ins pre-fight. That is, on fight night, George St. Pierre does not weigh 170, Benson Henderson does not weigh 155, etc.

I would have to assume that Colbert's weight provided by the various recruiting services is based off of more than just "looking at him on the floor."
They may fluctuate a few pounds, but since the weigh-in in generally 24-30 hours before the fight, they aren't adding 20 or 25 pounds overnight. they will get their water weight back, but imagine it can't fluctuate more than 8-10 pounds max.

And you made my point exactly in saying that the scouting services are basing it off of actually being weighed and not by what it looks like. I was agreeing with the person I responded to on this one saying that just because one poster said he looks really thin and couldn't weight more than 170 that you can't tell by looking at someone. So thanks for supporting my point.
 
Why doesn't somebody with a twitter account tweet him and ask him his weight. Maybe it's not that simple but worth a try.
Sure, I'll do it. Here's my tweet.

Austin, you dont know me, but Im a big illini fan. were all wondering how much you weigh. Also what are you wearing right now? Hope this is not creepy. BTW, I am doing great. I have been thinking about you alot since last weekend. How are you doing? #weirdoill


Obviously I don't tweet a lot. :)
 
Sure, I'll do it. Here's my tweet.

Austin, you dont know me, but Im a big illini fan. were all wondering how much you weigh. Also what are you wearing right now? Hope this is not creepy. BTW, I am doing great. I have been thinking about you alot since last weekend. How are you doing? #weirdoill


Obviously I don't tweet a lot. :)
Just a classic. :)
 
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