Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (November 2012-March 2013)

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Just finished watching the Simeon game I had recorded, some thoughts:

* LOL at all of you who were ripping Jabari Parker and did not think he was a top player etc. He was simply dominant today and is finally getting back into shape. He is a big time player and going to be really good for Duke.

* Kendall Pollard is a really solid player, great get for Dayton. He is so tough, hard nosed and aggressive. Very strong player, I like what he does out there.

* You can see the skillset of D.J. Williams. Such a smooth jumper, he is going to be a good one and he has great size for a wing.

* R.J. Currington, who we were recruiting a bit under the old staff, is a very good shooter too and I think he will end up at a high major eventually. He is from Indiana originally iirc.

Now on to our commits:

* Jaylon Tate was very impressive out there. He does a great job finding his teammates, has plus vision imo. He is also extremely quick out there both in driving past his man with a quick first step and on the defensive end pressuring his guy and cutting him off when he gets beat initially or off the screen and roll. He still needs to keep working on his shot, and may never be a really good shooter, but I really like what he brings as a PG. He just needs to be careful about the careless passes that he can get away with in HS sometimes. Needs to get stronger too obviously.

* Was very impressed with Kendrick Nunn as well. He is so explosive, has a quick first step and great quickness laterally, very fast one end to the other. He has such a soft jump shot, but he is off balance a lot it seems. I still don't get how he is so streaky with that soft touch. I am excited to see him with a summer working with the staff. I love how aggressive he is getting to the basket and how he really finishes when he gets there. Goes straight at the rim and hard, no fading or avoiding contact for him.

I can't wait to finally have a few guards with great quickness and speed...
 
Anybody hear joel berry committed to unc?
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/r...2/joel-berry-commits-unc-tar-heels-coach-says

North Carolina received a commitment from one of the top juniors in the country on Monday. Point guard Joel Berry pledged to the Tar Heels following his official visit to UNC this weekend, according to his travel team coach, Burney Hayes.

Berry is ranked the No. 3 point guard and No. 12 overall recruit in the Class of 2014 by ESPN.

The Lake Highland Prep (Fla.) standout took advantage of a new rule that allows juniors to make official visits following Jan. 1 of their junior year. UNC was his first official visit.
 
* Jaylon Tate was very impressive out there. He does a great job finding his teammates, has plus vision imo. He is also extremely quick out there both in driving past his man with a quick first step and on the defensive end pressuring his guy and cutting him off when he gets beat initially or off the screen and roll. He still needs to keep working on his shot, and may never be a really good shooter, but I really like what he brings as a PG. He just needs to be careful about the careless passes that he can get away with in HS sometimes. Needs to get stronger too obviously.

* Was very impressed with Kendrick Nunn as well. He is so explosive, has a quick first step and great quickness laterally, very fast one end to the other. He has such a soft jump shot, but he is off balance a lot it seems. I still don't get how he is so streaky with that soft touch. I am excited to see him with a summer working with the staff. I love how aggressive he is getting to the basket and how he really finishes when he gets there. Goes straight at the rim and hard, no fading or avoiding contact for him.

I can't wait to finally have a few guards with great quickness and speed...
Thanks as always for the analysis Kramer. I didn't get to see the game today, and I'm bummed that I missed it. The other 2-3 times I've seen Simeon play this year, I've been unimpressed for the most part. I agree Nunn's shooting form looks great, but he always seems to have off nights when I'm able to watch. It could be jitters since they don't get to play on national tv all that often.

What do you think our expectations should be for these guys next year when it comes to minutes? I have to think that Tate gets 10 minutes a game just out of pure necessity. Will he be able to handle that? Nunn is a bit of a wild card too. We've been told not to expect a lot out of him as a frosh, but the athleticism is easily seen. Who is in line to play the 2 next year? DJ will be gone. RR is a 3. I have to think JB starts at the 2 which isn't ideal, but it looks like our best options after him are MH and Nunn, in that order. Unless I'm forgetting someone?

Next year might be rough now that I think about it. I think Nnanna will be a solid 5 by then. I think RR will be ok at the 3. And Tracy will be good at the 1. Does JB split minutes with RR at the 3 or is he going to be primarily a 2? Basically, MM should be penciled in as a back up right now, whether he's ready or not. And as bad as we are at the 4 this year, we should be just as bad next year unless MS or MyH takes a quantum leap forward. It seems we will have a glaring hole at the 2 which should open up about 20 minutes a game for MH and KN (unless the plan is to have MH as a 3). I think Tate gets about 10 mins a game as well, again just out of necessity.
 
Just finished watching the Simeon game I had recorded, some thoughts:

* LOL at all of you who were ripping Jabari Parker and did not think he was a top player etc. He was simply dominant today and is finally getting back into shape. He is a big time player and going to be really good for Duke.

* Kendall Pollard is a really solid player, great get for Dayton. He is so tough, hard nosed and aggressive. Very strong player, I like what he does out there.

* You can see the skillset of D.J. Williams. Such a smooth jumper, he is going to be a good one and he has great size for a wing.

* R.J. Currington, who we were recruiting a bit under the old staff, is a very good shooter too and I think he will end up at a high major eventually. He is from Indiana originally iirc.

Now on to our commits:

* Jaylon Tate was very impressive out there. He does a great job finding his teammates, has plus vision imo. He is also extremely quick out there both in driving past his man with a quick first step and on the defensive end pressuring his guy and cutting him off when he gets beat initially or off the screen and roll. He still needs to keep working on his shot, and may never be a really good shooter, but I really like what he brings as a PG. He just needs to be careful about the careless passes that he can get away with in HS sometimes. Needs to get stronger too obviously.

* Was very impressed with Kendrick Nunn as well. He is so explosive, has a quick first step and great quickness laterally, very fast one end to the other. He has such a soft jump shot, but he is off balance a lot it seems. I still don't get how he is so streaky with that soft touch. I am excited to see him with a summer working with the staff. I love how aggressive he is getting to the basket and how he really finishes when he gets there. Goes straight at the rim and hard, no fading or avoiding contact for him.

I can't wait to finally have a few guards with great quickness and speed...
Nice job Kramer...I watched the game and agree...like Tate more than I thought...he has great handles and vision...he will turn out to be a better shooter than folks think!:illinois:
 
Illini optimist
Charleston
I thought Schilling was a heavy MSU lean. Obviously these things can change until a guy signs on the dotted line, but do you know if MSU is a likely place for him to end up?
What are the rules about changing schools AFTER you have signed your LOI? Because, players transfer in and out of programs all the time.
 
What are the rules about changing schools AFTER you have signed your LOI? Because, players transfer in and out of programs all the time.
When you and a school sign an NLI, you agree to spend an entire academic year (not a whole season) at the school, and it agrees to provide you an athletic financial aid package for that year.

If you don't honor the NLI and go to another NLI member institution, then the usual transfer rules apply (you have to spend an entire academic year at the new institution before becoming eligible again), except that (1) you lose a year of eligibility, and (2) certain exceptions that may otherwise have allowed you to play right away at the new institution may not apply.

Once you finish your first year, you are no longer a prospective student-athlete, the NLI is no longer binding, and you are instead bound by the NCAA's usual transfer rules.
 
What are the rules about changing schools AFTER you have signed your LOI? Because, players transfer in and out of programs all the time.
When you and a school sign an NLI, you agree to spend an entire academic year (not a whole season) at the school, and it agrees to provide you an athletic financial aid package for that year.

If you don't honor the NLI and go to another NLI member institution, then the usual transfer rules apply (you have to spend an entire academic year at the new institution before becoming eligible again), except that (1) you lose a year of eligibility, and (2) certain exceptions that may otherwise have allowed you to play right away at the new institution may not apply.

Once you finish your first year, you are no longer a prospective student-athlete, the NLI is no longer binding, and you are instead bound by the NCAA's usual transfer rules.
The only way you can really get out of your NLI is if there is a coaching change or a major sickness in the family etc. For example, Ben Brust signed a LOI with Iowa. When they changed coaches, the AD released him from his NLI and allowed him to sign with Wisconsin instead.

Most top prospects, especially those who sign somewhere in the Spring, now sign Financial Aid agreements instead of NLI when they commit somewhere. This way, say a top prospect commits to Kentucky, they can still re-open without penalty if Cal leaves or faces sanctions etc.
 
What are the chances with dj williams? Ive been very impressed with what ive seen.
Well, he is probably not deciding for at the very least another calendar year.

But he really likes Illinois. Groce has made him a priority for 2015. He already has a scholarship offer. And his parents made a visit down to Champaign by themselves to check things out for a game without DJ.

We have been in on him since the beginning. Hopefully the 2015 class is the one we develop the relationships early with all these top prospects and start to win some of them.
 
I checked for a thrid time and Irish Illustrated is wrong. Morgan had 4 Total rebounds--2 Off & 2 Def on the official box score on Flying to Hoops website. He is averaging 9.5 rebounds for the season and this summer in AAU ball averaged 10.4 per game.
But once again I caution people to look for around 10MPG next year.
It's weird, I've seen in several different rivals articles the double double comment. I'm not sure if I'd take the Flying to Hoops website as gospel either, but who knows.
 
Just finished watching the Simeon game I had recorded, some thoughts:

* Was very impressed with Kendrick Nunn as well. He is so explosive, has a quick first step and great quickness laterally, very fast one end to the other. He has such a soft jump shot, but he is off balance a lot it seems. I still don't get how he is so streaky with that soft touch. I am excited to see him with a summer working with the staff. I love how aggressive he is getting to the basket and how he really finishes when he gets there. Goes straight at the rim and hard, no fading or avoiding contact for him.

I can't wait to finally have a few guards with great quickness and speed...
seems like you answer your own question. soft touch but off balance. I think some kids too often don't realize how much their shot relies upon their feet being positioned correctly.
 
I checked for a thrid time and Irish Illustrated is wrong. Morgan had 4 Total rebounds--2 Off & 2 Def on the official box score on Flying to Hoops website. He is averaging 9.5 rebounds for the season and this summer in AAU ball averaged 10.4 per game.
But once again I caution people to look for around 10MPG next year.
You can follow all of MM's games stats here :chief:

http://www.gwocsports.com/bkPlayerStats.aspx?player=224881
 
Not to be negative but I don't see Nunn helping much next year. Hes got D.J.s handles with Pauls decision making. I think Tate will be more of a factor as a freshman.
Who is going to play SG ahead of him? I don't think Langford or Henry have the quickness to play SG. Bertrand might, but he's probably better on the wing. LaTulip? Hill?

Nunn is going to get minutes as a freshmen whether he is ready or not.
 
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Austin, MN
Who is going to play SG ahead of him? I don't think Langford or Henry have the quickness to play SG. Bertrand might, but he's probably better on the wing. LaTulip? Hill?

Nunn is going to get minutes as a freshmen whether he is ready or not.
Abrams, Bertrand, Rice, Henry (just because) and Egwu.
 
It's weird, I've seen in several different rivals articles the double double comment. I'm not sure if I'd take the Flying to Hoops website as gospel either, but who knows.
It's 4, see the GWOC website a few posts above and they say 4 rebounds too. Original Rivals guy said double double and then all the rest followed. Flyin to the Hoops is the sponsor of the game so there release should be right too.
 
* Jaylon Tate was very impressive out there. He does a great job finding his teammates, has plus vision imo. He is also extremely quick out there both in driving past his man with a quick first step and on the defensive end pressuring his guy and cutting him off when he gets beat initially or off the screen and roll. He still needs to keep working on his shot, and may never be a really good shooter, but I really like what he brings as a PG. He just needs to be careful about the careless passes that he can get away with in HS sometimes. Needs to get stronger too obviously.

* Was very impressed with Kendrick Nunn as well. He is so explosive, has a quick first step and great quickness laterally, very fast one end to the other. He has such a soft jump shot, but he is off balance a lot it seems. I still don't get how he is so streaky with that soft touch. I am excited to see him with a summer working with the staff. I love how aggressive he is getting to the basket and how he really finishes when he gets there. Goes straight at the rim and hard, no fading or avoiding contact for him.
I think you over-rate them a bit...That team wasn't nearly as good as some of the other teams they have played namely Montverde...Neither one showed up in that game, especially Nunn who looked very average and couldn't get by anyone that game... That being said if he has more games like yesterday he will make more of a believer out of me though I still think his ball-handling needs a lot of work...
 
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I think you over-rate them a bit...That team wasn't nearly as good as some of the other teams they have played namely Montverde...Neither one showed up in that game, especially Nunn who looked very average and couldn't get by anyone that game... That being said if he has more games like yesterday he will make more of a believer out of me though I still think his ball-handling needs a lot of work...
Monteverde is on another level. But Oak Hill is not chopped liver, but they were missing their PG Britt who is going to UNC as he was out with injury.

Nunn was dealing with nagging injuries that game against Monteverde. He rolled his ankle (that game I think) as they kept on talking about it during the game. He also was dealing with a nagging hip injury (almost missed a game earlier because of it) and a toe injury too. The announcers during that game kept referring to how the ankle was limiting his explosiveness and he was not himself. I still think Nunn really needs to work on his handles, but I see more confidence in them than I see in DJ right now fwiw.

Personally, I feel I have pretty low expectations for both Nunn and Tate for next season. I just want to see Tate be a semi-serviceable backup PG, and I want to see Nunn be an energy defensive wing off the bench. Anything more than that from either of them is a cherry on top. I do not think it is unreasonable to expect that from both of them.
 
I think you over-rate them a bit...That team wasn't nearly as good as some of the other teams they have played namely Montverde...Neither one showed up in that game, especially Nunn who looked very average and couldn't get by anyone that game... That being said if he has more games like yesterday he will make more of a believer out of me though I still think his ball-handling needs a lot of work...
Nunn was hurt vs Montervede which really affected his quickness in that game IMO. Also Tate was up against kasey hill who is a player that will make a lot of other pgs look average in his basketball career.
 
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