Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (September 2019)

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I suppose it could, but I wouldn't bet on it. Recruiting is 7 days a week. If Whitman is looking over their shoulders, telling them to stay away from situations they think they can handle, then you're going to have conflict. Isn't that a big part of how we got Underwood from OSU in the first place? Also hard to imagine they're on the same page if Whitman got involved in such a major way as telling them to make staff changes. Underwood is too seasoned to let it affect the team, but I wouldn't be surprised if this has ramifications later.
Meh, Wood has been close to Gentry for years and kept Walker on after the last regime. I don't see a big conflict brewing.
 
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That's not it....the FBI stuff all has to do with the shoe companies and coaches. we aren't involved in that.
I didn't mean that specifically, I meant that maybe there's more scrutiny with regards to recruiting now because of that fiasco.
 
The gray area is 98% and we better start living on the edge, why have a athletic department if you do not want to compete, is Josh does not want to play that game lets find someone who will. I know some of you might be offended by this , but losing while everyone else is pushing the envelope is sickening
 
The gray area is 98% and we better start living on the edge, why have a athletic department if you do not want to compete, is Josh does not want to play that game lets find someone who will. I know some of you might be offended by this , but losing while everyone else is pushing the envelope is sickening
We had that with Neal Stoner....at least until he was fired. He hired Mike White who won a lot of games.....at least until he was fired.
 
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The gray area is 98% and we better start living on the edge, why have a athletic department if you do not want to compete, is Josh does not want to play that game lets find someone who will. I know some of you might be offended by this , but losing while everyone else is pushing the envelope is sickening
I hate the mealy mouthed language people use to describe this stuff. There is no gray area. There are impermissible benefits, and the question is how thoroughly and creatively you can launder them.

Our assistant coaches and boosters should cook up as many schemes to carefully launder payments to prospects and their camps as possible, and they should never tell Brad Underwood the specifics and never tell Whitman or the DIA anything. This isn't rocket science.
 
The gray area is 98% and we better start living on the edge, why have a athletic department if you do not want to compete, is Josh does not want to play that game lets find someone who will. I know some of you might be offended by this , but losing while everyone else is pushing the envelope is sickening
I'm thinking Kansas might be having another thought process contrary to this right about now...then again they are blue blood enough! Self might just be the patsy for Williams/K/and others...
 
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I'm thinking Kansas might be having another thought process contrary to this right about now
Kansas could get the death penalty and in five years they'd be Kansas again. The NCAA is powerless to harm a program below their baseline. If a program is built on a base of tradition and loyal fan support it will always recover.

That's a big part of where the inaccurate perception that the NCAA won't punish big time schools comes from. Kentucky got the death penalty in 1952, and won a national title 5 years later. They had a two-year tournament ban, a ban from being shown on television, and scholarship reductions in 1989 and were in the Final Four four years later.

UNLV, SMU, houses of cards like that built on no foundation, yeah, they're done when they get caught. Auburn basketball will go back to being Auburn basketball when the heat catches up to Pearl again. But who cares? Auburn knows that they're getting while the getting is good, their eyes are wide open.

To tie it back to my previous comment, there's nothing the NCAA could do to harm Illinois that would come even close to the things Illinois has done to harm itself in the recent past. We have no reason to be afraid of them at all, nor any moral reason to respect or obey their crooked rules with respect to player compensation.

Now, there's a level to which we probably shouldn't stoop in the already unseemly world of keeping players academically eligible, and we should have a stringent lack of tolerance for player violence and criminality which would create an unsafe environment for the campus community. But those are separate issues that should not be conflated.
 
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Kansas could get the death penalty and in five years they'd be Kansas again. The NCAA is powerless to harm a program below their baseline. If a program is built on a base of tradition and loyal fan support it will always recover.

That's a big part of where the inaccurate perception that the NCAA won't punish big time schools comes from. Kentucky got the death penalty in 1952, and won a national title 5 years later. They had a two-year tournament ban, a ban from being shown on television, and scholarship reductions in 1989 and were in the Final Four four years later.

UNLV, SMU, houses of cards like that built on no foundation, yeah, they're done when they get caught. Auburn basketball will go back to being Auburn basketball when the heat catches up to Pearl again. But who cares? Auburn knows that they're getting while the getting is good, their eyes are wide open.

To tie it back to my previous comment, there's nothing the NCAA could do to harm Illinois that would come even close to the things Illinois has done to harm itself in the recent past. We have no reason to be afraid of them at all, nor any moral reason to respect or obey their crooked rules with respect to player compensation.

Now, there's a level to which we probably shouldn't stoop in the already unseemly world of keeping players academically eligible, and we should have a stringent lack of tolerance for player violence and criminality which would create an unsafe environment for the campus community. But those are separate issues that should not be conflated.
Penn State football.
 
Kansas could get the death penalty and in five years they'd be Kansas again. The NCAA is powerless to harm a program below their baseline. If a program is built on a base of tradition and loyal fan support it will always recover.

That's a big part of where the inaccurate perception that the NCAA won't punish big time schools comes from. Kentucky got the death penalty in 1952, and won a national title 5 years later. They had a two-year tournament ban, a ban from being shown on television, and scholarship reductions in 1989 and were in the Final Four four years later.

UNLV, SMU, houses of cards like that built on no foundation, yeah, they're done when they get caught. Auburn basketball will go back to being Auburn basketball when the heat catches up to Pearl again. But who cares? Auburn knows that they're getting while the getting is good, their eyes are wide open.

To tie it back to my previous comment, there's nothing the NCAA could do to harm Illinois that would come even close to the things Illinois has done to harm itself in the recent past. We have no reason to be afraid of them at all, nor any moral reason to respect or obey their crooked rules with respect to player compensation.

Now, there's a level to which we probably shouldn't stoop in the already unseemly world of keeping players academically eligible, and we should have a stringent lack of tolerance for player violence and criminality which would create an unsafe environment for the campus community. But those are separate issues that should not be conflated.
 
I'm curious to hear your argument for why morality demands rigid adherence to NCAA amateurism rules.
Because there is more to life than college athletics, and there is more to learn from college athletics than winning at all costs. There are rules and if you agree to be abide by those rules you should. That is the moral reason. Just because others cheat doesn't mean we should. Didn't we learn that in pre-school? We all are big fans and want the team to succeed, but I personally have just as much pride watching a guy like AJ play hard for four years and represent the university well.
 
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