Mike Phair named Illinois co-defensive coordinator

#26
The point is to bring in a coach to develop players. Better players equals winning more football games. Winning more football games equals more recruits wanting to play for Illinois.
Then keep Colby because he did a great job with last year's DL.
 
#27
Hamilton County, IN
The point is to bring in a coach to develop players. Better players equals winning more football games. Winning more football games equals more recruits wanting to play for Illinois.
The DL didn't develop last year? Ok.

And I'm not the one saying the coaching changes were for recruiting. That's what they said.

This could be a great hire. Hopefully it is! But, from what they said and sold when the moves were made....
 
#28
Burr Ridge
Did we upgrade recruiting? No evidence of that (zero recruiting experience)

Did we upgrade the DC position? No evidence of that (zero coordinator experience, and not much coaching experience overall).

Why the heck didn't we just keep Colby?!?!?!?!


that ship has sailed.

perhaps there was some personality conflict between Colby & Banks or Colby & Beckman that was the root of this.
 
#29
More unrealistic expectations from Illini Fans.....

we are a bottom tier Big Ten program, and people expect us to splash hire on a unit which struggles.

I'm sure this wasn't our 1st 2nd, or third choice. but he has experience to coach and has scouted in the past. Also has NFL connections which is a recruiting tool. This guy hasn't even had his press conference and you are writing him off. The doom and woe is me personalities in this board sure come out on the football side of things.
 
#30
that ship has sailed.

perhaps there was some personality conflict between Colby & Banks or Colby & Beckman that was the root of this.
Yes, that ship has sailed. But that doesn't mean we can't point out that this was a complete FUBAR move to upgrade the staff.

No personality problem with Colby. And he did a great job molding that group into the strongest unit on the defense - despite losing Powell and Nelson.

Beckman wanted to upgrade recruiting. And completely failed to do that.
 
#31
More unrealistic expectations from Illini Fans.....

we are a bottom tier Big Ten program, and people expect us to splash hire on a unit which struggles.

I'm sure this wasn't our 1st 2nd, or third choice. but he has experience to coach and has scouted in the past. Also has NFL connections which is a recruiting tool. This guy hasn't even had his press conference and you are writing him off. The doom and woe is me personalities in this board sure come out on the football side of things.
Unrealistic to expect an improvement over Colby? Okay...
 
#32
Burr Ridge
Yes, that ship has sailed. But that doesn't mean we can't point out that this was a complete FUBAR move to upgrade the staff.

No personality problem with Colby. And he did a great job molding that group into the strongest unit on the defense - despite losing Powell and Nelson.

Beckman wanted to upgrade recruiting. And completely failed to do that.
Im not arguing with you. Time will tell if the recruiting is upgraded.

I wont give him a grade until he turns in his work.

This isn't the home run hire we thought we had 3 weeks ago, but we cant say if its an upgrade in recruiting or not, because he hasn't had a chance to even punch his first time card yet. He really cant be worse.
 
#33
Im not arguing with you. Time will tell if the recruiting is upgraded.

I wont give him a grade until he turns in his work.

This isn't the home run hire we thought we had 3 weeks ago, but we cant say if its an upgrade in recruiting or not, because he hasn't had a chance to even punch his first time card yet. He really cant be worse.
Let's be realistic. If Phair had natural recruiting skills, he wouldn't have been hanging on in the NFL for so long as a scout. He would have been coaching college football.

This isn't a home run hire. This isn't a double. This isn't even a clean single. While I agree that he can't be worse as a recruiter than Colby, he can certainly be worse as a position coach, and Colby actually brought way more coaching and DC experience. So in a nutshell, if all works out well, he might be as good as the guy we let go.

You only have so many carrots to dangle as a head coach. Beckman just used his co-DC carrot to hire a guy who isn't a clear upgrade over the guy he replaces, a guy who would not be at all qualified to take over as DC if Banks was nudged out, and who doesn't fix the problem Beckman set out to fix. Disappointing to say the least.
 
#35
Then keep Colby because he did a great job with last year's DL.
A great job? Cmon. The DL got better as the year went in, but there was nothing great about them. I can't believe people are whining about this.
 
#36
How many people thought Alex Golesh would be our best recruiter? He had essentially next to no experience with recruiting when he came here and was, what, 27? Who knows how this will play out. Beckman has to take some risks. I just don't understand all of the negativity thrown at him all the time. He has done some amazing things for this program. I worked for the football team during Zook's last 4 years, and the remarkable change in attitude, academic performance, and team pride is fantastic to see. It is truly a family. We no longer have a coach who says things like, "You better find another dream" to a kid trying to make it to the NFL. We have one who is supportive and has built a great program. Let's hope the wins keep coming. I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he can turn it around.
 
#37
This is a home run hire. Phair is the energizer bunny who never stops working and learning. The fact he has traveled around is great as it provides lots of experiences. Phair will replace Banks when all is said and done. I don't understand what people are crying about.
 
#38
How many people thought Alex Golesh would be our best recruiter? He had essentially next to no experience with recruiting when he came here and was, what, 27?
Um... anyone who was paying attention knew that Golesh was a great recruiter. He was Beckman's recruiting coordinator at Toledo for three years when they recruited very well, and had already established a reputation as an up-and-coming coach.
 
#39
A great job? Cmon. The DL got better as the year went in, but there was nothing great about them. I can't believe people are whining about this.
The DL was the strongest unit on the defense by the end of the season. Ward was incredibly raw at the start of the season, didn't really have a clue. By the end of the season he was a force that other teams had to scheme around. Bain was a former OL who developed into a nice DT over the season when Powell was lost. Teitsma had a really nice season, not a very big guy, but great technique. Smoot really came on.

The point isn't that the DL was great, but that the coach did a great job. We didn't have as much talent or depth as most B1G teams, but he molded them into a good group.
 
#40
You or I know nothing about him...let's wait and see.
Generally speaking, if you are going to bring in a guy as co-DC it is a good thing to hire a guy with more of a track record. Saying that you or I know nothing about him isn't a good thing.

Basically, you use the co-DC position to either (a) hire a proven strategist who can really help with schemes or (b) hire a top recruiter. This guy is neither. If we were just hiring a DL coach, then I don't have a problem. He is an experienced DL coach and might work out just fine in that area.
 
#41
I was sad to see Colby go. He is a good coach with a ton of experience & bonus ponts for being an alumni. He did a very good job with our DL last year.

With where we were in our search, we can't be that disappointed with the hire. Hopefully some of Lovie & Marinelli's knowledge on D was absorbed by Phair:illinois:
 
#42
The DL was the strongest unit on the defense by the end of the season. Ward was incredibly raw at the start of the season, didn't really have a clue. By the end of the season he was a force that other teams had to scheme around. Bain was a former OL who developed into a nice DT over the season when Powell was lost. Teitsma had a really nice season, not a very big guy, but great technique. Smoot really came on.

The point isn't that the DL was great, but that the coach did a great job. We didn't have as much talent or depth as most B1G teams, but he molded them into a good group.
A lot of times you do your best job of coaching when you have less talent. I think Colby got as much out of that group as they had to offer. Ward was your typical JC guy who struggled out of the box then got better. Happens to JC's a lot. The rest played pretty much to their potential. He was a bad fit because of his recruiting.

We all know that Beckman opens his mouth before his brain starts thinkin'. I think the same can be said for some of his actions.

I don't get too giddy over the number of years a guy is in the league. That's a good old boys club, once you're in, you're in for as long as you want. They just rehash the same guys over and over.
 
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#44
Bloomington
Yes, that ship has sailed. But that doesn't mean we can't point out that this was a complete FUBAR move to upgrade the staff.

No personality problem with Colby. And he did a great job molding that group into the strongest unit on the defense - despite losing Powell and Nelson.

Beckman wanted to upgrade recruiting. And completely failed to do that.
Talk about flipping the narrative! The DL was NOT the strongest unit on D, and you acknowledged that yourself in the past.

Phair isn't what we're looking for, but sir, you don't have to track back and try to convince all of us that Phair sucks compared to Colby because Colby molded the DL into the strongest unit on defense...
 
#45
Talk about flipping the narrative! The DL was NOT the strongest unit on D, and you acknowledged that yourself in the past.
I most certainly did not flip any narratives. By the end of the season, DL was the strongest unit on the defense.
 
#46
I do enjoy seeing so many on here with the knee-jerk reflex to defend the program, regardless. The fact that some can defend what is clearly a VERY weak hire provides pretty clear evidence that these folks would literally cheer ANY hire Beckman could make.

I knew that with such a long wait, Beckman was struggling to make this hire. But even with that perspective, this hire is a shock.
 
#47
LOL well then I will call you Mrs Colby sorry to see your husband get fired.

You can bash the hire but anyone who praises it is a relative?

I'm holding out judgement til I see his results recruiting wise and on the field
"I'm holding out judgement til I see his results recruiting wise and on the field"

Me too but I don't have a lot of other options. I wasn't holding out hope for much more than we got. We were going to have to take a chance on the hire.
 
#48
I do enjoy seeing so many on here with the knee-jerk reflex to defend the program, regardless. The fact that some can defend what is clearly a VERY weak hire provides pretty clear evidence that these folks would literally cheer ANY hire Beckman could make.

I knew that with such a long wait, Beckman was struggling to make this hire. But even with that perspective, this hire is a shock.
Pardon me, but do you have any control of the program? Can you make decisions for Beckman? If so, please do if you are confident in what you believe is best. But for now, do what every fan should be doing... cheering for this program.

Your opinion is your own, and I respect it. But, it seems like you want this to be a bad hire more than it actually might turn out to be.
 
#49
I do enjoy seeing so many on here with the knee-jerk reflex to defend the program, regardless. The fact that some can defend what is clearly a VERY weak hire provides pretty clear evidence that these folks would literally cheer ANY hire Beckman could make.

I knew that with such a long wait, Beckman was struggling to make this hire. But even with that perspective, this hire is a shock.
It's fair to be critical, but you don't like it when someone disagrees with you and get all mad and call them relatives.
 
#50
Northbrook
I do enjoy seeing so many on here with the knee-jerk reflex to defend the program, regardless. The fact that some can defend what is clearly a VERY weak hire provides pretty clear evidence that these folks would literally cheer ANY hire Beckman could make.

I knew that with such a long wait, Beckman was struggling to make this hire. But even with that perspective, this hire is a shock.
I'm not defending anything and I'm no fan of TB, but I'll see how it plays out with this hire. Unless there is on field improvement next year, it won't matter.