Pregame: Illinois at Iowa, Saturday, November 23rd, 11:00am CT, BTN

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There are professional sports teams in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc. We come up with excuses because it's "interesting" ... Illinois (and, yes, Chicago) is not that much different from other places. Different, sure, but the same theory would hold here, as well: have the Illini win ~8 games per year for a sustained period of time, and support throughout the entire state would soar, and we'd sell out Memorial Stadium with ease, probably discussing an expansion.
I agree with this for the most part but Chicago is more similar to New York and LA than Minneapolis and Detroit. A strong majority of sports fans in Chicago couldn’t care less about college sports and Illinois in particular. In these other cities there’s a lot more of a homer attitude. Minneapolis doesn’t think of itself as a separate entity but as part of Minnesota.
 
Chicago, IL
I’m curious why St. Louis never gets included in the bringing fans in from out of town conversation, especially now with so many St. Louis area players on our team. Is there already a strong traveling contingent coming from the south?
STL has 300k people. Chicago has 2.7 million. I imagine that has a lot to do with it.
 
There are professional sports teams in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc. We come up with excuses because it's "interesting" ... Illinois (and, yes, Chicago) is not that much different from other places. Different, sure, but the same theory would hold here, as well: have the Illini win ~8 games per year for a sustained period of time, and support throughout the entire state would soar, and we'd sell out Memorial Stadium with ease, probably discussing an expansion.
I agree 100 % Illinois attendance problem is performance based, my point was Iowa, Alabama, Mississippi weren't the best examples by using states that college football is the ONLY thing to look forward too 12 months out of the year.
 
Tyngsborough, MA
I agree 100 % Illinois attendance problem is performance based, my point was Iowa, Alabama, Mississippi weren't the best examples by using states that college football is the ONLY thing to look forward too 12 months out of the year.
A welcome change from cow tipping and cow pie tossing, I bet.
 
Name a professional sport in those 3 states
Speaking as a person from southern Illinois. The farther away from Chicago you get (especially now that the Rams are gone) the less people care about professional football/the bears. If we could at least win 6 or 7 games every year instead of being a complete embarrassment of a program like we have been the fans will show up. A region of a few million people should be more than enough to fill a 60,000 seat stadium. Having people come from Chicago is great but not necessary.
 
Chicago, IL
That's a bit disingenuous. STL City proper only has 300k, but the the STL metro area has over 2.8 million. For comparison, Chicago's metro area comes in around 9.5 million.
So we still have them by 70% instead of 89%. Cool.

Bottom line, there are more people in Chicago/Chicagoland and a bigger media market. In terms of sheer numbers, it matters more.

EDIT: I'm not trying to knock STL. I've visited and enjoy it greatly, and my husband and I have talked about it as a city we'd be willing to relocate to if necessary. But, STL and Chicago aren't equivalent cities.

I would bet that there's a lot of Illini support in STL, but like Chicago, it gets watered down by support for Mizzou and other colleges. Illinois will never dominate the city the way the Cardinals or Blues do. It's the nature of college athletics. If you're going to play it by numbers, you're better off focusing on the larger metro area.
 
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I don't know if this gives any insight but I think my perspective is different because I didn't actually go to UIUC but UIC. I was happy for UIC when they got the basketball upset but I was, in reality torn. I know what UIUC can represent for the state as a whole. It's something NW can never do because it's just not an iconic school from a population perspective. It's tiny, private, and overly elite.

Illinois has HISTORY. They have ICONIC LEGENDS. There is no reason we shouldn't be on the CFB map and we are in the best position to be. I love the school even though I got rejected(OK maybe that's just my own fault).

GO ILLINI.
 
What happens first the Bears win the NFC title or the Illini win the Big Ten west, i say next year should give us a answer
 
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I don't know if this gives any insight but I think my perspective is different because I didn't actually go to UIUC but UIC. I was happy for UIC when they got the basketball upset but I was, in reality torn. I know what UIUC can represent for the state as a whole. It's something NW can never do because it's just not an iconic school from a population perspective. It's tiny, private, and overly elite.

Illinois has HISTORY. They have ICONIC LEGENDS. There is no reason we shouldn't be on the CFB map and we are in the best position to be. I love the school even though I got rejected(OK maybe that's just my own fault).

GO ILLINI.
My thoughts exactly. We undoubtedly suffer from lack of success recently, but NOT lack of tradition! If we build it, they will come. I think (not so far back) to the energy/atmosphere in the stadium during the ASU game in 2011.
 
Woodridge, IL
Iowa and Nebraska have tradition. We don't...and we don't have the population within 100 miles that most schools do. Furthermore, we have a high population of students from overseas that don't know football. Sure, being bad is a major factor but I don't think we can fill the stadium without a major Chicago presence. Not with paying customers.
Sorry to rehash this, but this comment had me wondering. According to this site:
3,479,419 within 100 miles of Champaign (1,512,624 within 75, 763,545 within 50)
2,002,981 within 100 miles of Iowa City (1,411,783 within 75, 564,854 within 50)
1,813,825 within 100 miles of Lincoln (1,534,104 within 75, 1,248,974)
 
Sorry to rehash this, but this comment had me wondering. According to this site:
3,479,419 within 100 miles of Champaign (1,512,624 within 75, 763,545 within 50)
2,002,981 within 100 miles of Iowa City (1,411,783 within 75, 564,854 within 50)
1,813,825 within 100 miles of Lincoln (1,534,104 within 75, 1,248,974)
Look at the rest of the big ten. Nebraska has won multiple national championships and has 300 plus consecutive sellouts. We are not the same. Iowa is probably most like us. Analysis complicated by Purdue-Ind, Michigan-Mich State, etc. Indiana's attendance also bad, Purdue has improved with Brohm. Not denying winning is important. Where are the highest number of Illinois alums. I can only guess but I will guess Chicago and suburbs. Why would we think that area is not important?
 
Well we know we’re Illini and not Squawks when you see quotes from famous literature on our forum.
Here's another one from famous literature: "Love means never having to say you're sorry." Pass me the Pepto, please.

But I met Mr. Segal in St. Louis while he was touring to promote "Love Story". My manager at B. Dalton wasn't happy when I asked him about THE BEATLES (he was co-writer of "Yellow Submarine"). He was genuinely interested in my questions about the FABS! Nice man.

I have only one quote in mind right now: "Beat Ioway! Just beat 'em!" (I just came up with that one! O. Leo : wordsmith).
 
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Time for everything to come crashing back to earth. The turnover gods don't hand out another miracle this week. Iowa by 20+.
 
I would rather have a bye week after a loss, but given our recent injuries maybe it came at a good time.

IF we lose, there is no reason to be discouraged. We are playing on the road against a ranked team. This season is a success either way. However, if we can pull the upset we will all be sh*tting in tall cotton. Let’s give these bastards a game!!
 

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The turnover gods aren't handing out anything. Our guys have just been coming in prepared. Luck is preparation followed by execution. You don't wind up number one nationally week after week on luck.
I agree on forced fumbles, there is an art to that. Fumble recoveries are by definition, luck. There are 11 guys on the field, it's basically a 50/50 proposition. Currently, Illinois is recovering 73% of opponents' fumbles (16 of 22). That just isn't sustainable. They also are returning 23% of turnovers for TDs, which is just staggering and also not sustainable. For comparison, opponents are only recovering 44% of Illinois fumbles and only returning 8% of turnovers for TDs.
 
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Phoenix, AZ
I agree on forced fumbles, there is an art to that. Fumble recoveries are by definition, luck. There are 11 guys on the field, it's basically a 50/50 proposition. Currently, Illinois is recovering 73% of opponents' fumbles (16 of 22). That just isn't sustainable. They also are returning 23% of turnovers for TDs, which is just staggering and also not sustainable. For comparison, opponents are only recovering 44% of Illinois fumbles and only returning 8% of turnovers for TDs.
Robert from IB did an analysis on this and determined we were only +3 based on where should be based on TO margin assuming neutral "luck". Not that dramatic. We are just very good at forcing fumbles in the right places where we have opportunity to recover, and good at being in position for INTs. Will we regress to the mean somewhat? Sure, but no reason to think our turnover generating D won't continue to do its thing.
 
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We tend to force fumbles on the defensive side of line of scrimmage where the defense will have more guys around to recover it. In contrast it seems like when our offense fumbles it tends to be near the offensive side. At least it seems this way when I'm watching games.
 
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