Transfers Thread

#226      

mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
Why do you think this? There is another signing period coming up on February 7th and ending April 1st. I doubt they'd not try and fill at least a few of those open spots.


Team can only sign a maximum of 25 scholarship players per season. Illinois now has 30 open scholarships on their roster, meaning five of those scholarships will not be filled, and likely provided to walk-ons currently on the roster.
 
#227      

BigStan97

Cincinnati OH
I believe they can sign 25 and “oversign by 3”.

I think that’s how it goes. I remember an article a few years ago talking about SEC teams who do the 25 and then oversign by 3 (if they have available scholarships). Which we do. Maybe that’s an SEC thing and not a Bigten rule.
 
#228      

BigStan97

Cincinnati OH
Stanford QB. Keller Chryst is choosing to go graduate transfer route.

I wouldn’t mind it. Tall, Can throw it, and is athletic. He’s not a true “duel threat” but he is mobile.
 
#229      

JDHalfrack

Springfield, IL
Team can only sign a maximum of 25 scholarship players per season. Illinois now has 30 open scholarships on their roster, meaning five of those scholarships will not be filled, and likely provided to walk-ons currently on the roster.

Depth is nice, but like someone else posted, nearly every one of those transfers has already peaked... and not at a high level... I'll take my chances with walk-on depth.
 
#230      

Kramer116

Chicago
Players transferring out of Illinois
TE Henry McGrew
DB Harvey Clayton Jr.
DB Frank Sumpter
QB Chayce Crouch (has retired from football‏)
QB Jeff George Jr.
DE Sean Adesanya
WR Dominic Thieman
WR Sam Mays
DB Chris James
DE/LB Christion Abercrombie
LB Julian Jones
DT Tito Odenigbo
S Patrick Nelson
OL Gabe Megginson
LB Tre Watson
Walk-on P Bryce Baringer



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LB Tre Watson transferring from Illinois
https://twitter.com/ILL_Tre33/status/935272691224981505

Dan or someone else, can you keep ‘this updated with what school each is going to attend?
 
#231      
Don't bank on walk-ons...

Depth is nice, but like someone else posted, nearly every one of those transfers has already peaked... and not at a high level... I'll take my chances with walk-on depth.

The Illini aren't even at SCHOLARSHIP depth, which is 85 student/athletes for NCAA D1 football programs, let alone "walk-on depth."

D1 teams are allowed 85 scholarship players - and they're limited to sign 25 scholarship players in a class year. There's a *little* bit of wiggle room, but not much, so this coming season it's as if this program, as has been intimated by another blogger, is on a self-imposed probation.

Teams can take 105 players to camp. When school begins they can have as many players as a coach wants to put up with. Typically, though, there are usually about 105 on the roster (85 on scholarships and 20-ish walk-ons). The current Illini roster - with the new enrollees - appears to be 81. Five of them are kicking game specialists. Nine of them are seniors. Five dozen or so are sophomores, redshirt freshmen and freshmen. That is roster depth and experience portending a very, very difficult season. (Expect one win - the opener, and hope for four.)

So far for home games Lovie only allows the NCAA traveling team limit - the guys who go to the hotel the night before the games in Chambana - to dress, which is, I believe, 65 players. So not even all of the scholarship players (assuming they HAD 85) get to dress for Illini home games. And for the walk-ons, dressing for homes games is about only "payment" they enjoy for the beatings they take in practice, the same brutal workout schedules the scholarship guys have, and squeezing academics in around football...

With that policy, and a few other things, Lovie ran off all of the walk-ons during his first season and has never replenished them. The Illini did promote walk-on tryouts Lovie's first year after the walk-ons left, with little result. So it was twos vs ones all week during practices - and a miracle more and more significant injuries didn't occur in Lovie's first year.

There has been a lot of blather about quarterback depth with the Illini. It's not just that position. There are currently 12 offensive linemen on the roster. A team should at least have three-deep, or fifteen players, because of injuries and academic eligibility concerns... Eighteen is even better. So make your own predictions for O-line injury reports during the coming spring practices...

Back to walk-ons... For every miracle known as Clayton Fejedelem (who had actually proven his football acumen at a lower collegiate level and then walked on with the Illini) there are hundreds of guys who walk on D1 programs every year (like 15-20 for each of the 124 programs) and never get on the field. In short, banking on walk-ons to help turn around the Fighting Illini football program is like thinking duct tape could have saved the Titanic.
 
#232      
Every player now leaving is being replaced by a walk-on or no one. Would much rather have kept Watson, Megginson, Jones, Nelson, and either James/Sumter. Watson and Nelson would have gotten major snaps. Jones probably would have gotten a decent amount of PT. James/Sumter/Megginson would have at least provided some decent depth or allowed an incoming freshman to redshirt. Would have loved if one of George/Crouch would have stuck around for depth/redshirting opportunity as well.

I trust the coaching staff is making the right decisions. Either the players or staff doesn't think the players are bought into the system. If that is the case, they will cause more harm that good. Illinois football (and basketball) has a losing mentality, until this gets shifted, we will continue to lose. I trust that Lovie is doing what he needs to create a winning culture. He has done it before and he will do it again.
 
#233      
The Illini aren't even at SCHOLARSHIP depth, which is 85 student/athletes for NCAA D1 football programs, let alone "walk-on depth."

D1 teams are allowed 85 scholarship players - and they're limited to sign 25 scholarship players in a class year. There's a *little* bit of wiggle room, but not much, so this coming season it's as if this program, as has been intimated by another blogger, is on a self-imposed probation.

Teams can take 105 players to camp. When school begins they can have as many players as a coach wants to put up with. Typically, though, there are usually about 105 on the roster (85 on scholarships and 20-ish walk-ons). The current Illini roster - with the new enrollees - appears to be 81. Five of them are kicking game specialists. Nine of them are seniors. Five dozen or so are sophomores, redshirt freshmen and freshmen. That is roster depth and experience portending a very, very difficult season. (Expect one win - the opener, and hope for four.)

So far for home games Lovie only allows the NCAA traveling team limit - the guys who go to the hotel the night before the games in Chambana - to dress, which is, I believe, 65 players. So not even all of the scholarship players (assuming they HAD 85) get to dress for Illini home games. And for the walk-ons, dressing for homes games is about only "payment" they enjoy for the beatings they take in practice, the same brutal workout schedules the scholarship guys have, and squeezing academics in around football...

With that policy, and a few other things, Lovie ran off all of the walk-ons during his first season and has never replenished them. The Illini did promote walk-on tryouts Lovie's first year after the walk-ons left, with little result. So it was twos vs ones all week during practices - and a miracle more and more significant injuries didn't occur in Lovie's first year.

There has been a lot of blather about quarterback depth with the Illini. It's not just that position. There are currently 12 offensive linemen on the roster. A team should at least have three-deep, or fifteen players, because of injuries and academic eligibility concerns... Eighteen is even better. So make your own predictions for O-line injury reports during the coming spring practices...

Back to walk-ons... For every miracle known as Clayton Fejedelem (who had actually proven his football acumen at a lower collegiate level and then walked on with the Illini) there are hundreds of guys who walk on D1 programs every year (like 15-20 for each of the 124 programs) and never get on the field. In short, banking on walk-ons to help turn around the Fighting Illini football program is like thinking duct tape could have saved the Titanic.

I agree, we can't bank on walk-ons. But I guarantee that the coaching staff isn't banking on walk-ons. They are rebuilding. Having 81 solid players that want to be here is better than having 81 that do and 24 that don't. We didn't have a D1 Power 5 roster. Heck, we barely had a D1 MAC roster and I would be that we wouldn't have competed for the MAC title. We are upgrading the team and roster spots. We are getting rid of people that are not bought into the system and we are getting rid of people that would be cancers to the rebuild. Although in athletics I've only worked with winning teams, my career has focused on turning around organizations. I think the work Lovie is doing is almost textbook how you turn around an organization. We will suck until we have the right people on the bus. And we would continue to suck if we let people that are subpar on the team. Right now I think Lovie is building a solid base and I think that we will have a legitimate start to a team next year.
 
#234      

mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
I trust the coaching staff is making the right decisions. Either the players or staff doesn't think the players are bought into the system. If that is the case, they will cause more harm that good. Illinois football (and basketball) has a losing mentality, until this gets shifted, we will continue to lose. I trust that Lovie is doing what he needs to create a winning culture. He has done it before and he will do it again.


I don't think we should perceive these transfers as a one-way street. I'm guessing that for the great majority they are leaving because someone is giving them a nudge and saying that it would be in their best interest to transfer. That said, it wouldn't make sense for some of these players, including many of the players I mentioned previously as a preference to see them stay. Unless it's directly coming from Lovie, not sure I could believe that the coaching staff was happy with Watson & Nelson transferring out. I also don't think the coaching staff was happy to see George leave. Even if he isn't a fit, it still leaves the program with one QB for all of spring ball (disregarding walk-ons and unless I'm forgetting an early enrollee QB).

I expected a lot of defections because most of the people paid to follow the program and report it to the public were saying it was going to happen weeks before the season ended. I also understand the change will help the coaching staff and many of the players leaving achieve their current long-term goals. That said, it doesn't mean that the team is helped because of each transfer, nor that every transfer was in the hopes of the coaching staff.
 
#235      
I don't think we should perceive these transfers as a one-way street. I'm guessing that for the great majority they are leaving because someone is giving them a nudge and saying that it would be in their best interest to transfer. That said, it wouldn't make sense for some of these players, including many of the players I mentioned previously as a preference to see them stay. Unless it's directly coming from Lovie, not sure I could believe that the coaching staff was happy with Watson & Nelson transferring out. I also don't think the coaching staff was happy to see George leave. Even if he isn't a fit, it still leaves the program with one QB for all of spring ball (disregarding walk-ons and unless I'm forgetting an early enrollee QB).

I expected a lot of defections because most of the people paid to follow the program and report it to the public were saying it was going to happen weeks before the season ended. I also understand the change will help the coaching staff and many of the players leaving achieve their current long-term goals. That said, it doesn't mean that the team is helped because of each transfer, nor that every transfer was in the hopes of the coaching staff.

I agree that there are players that left of their own volition. I don't think that the coaching staff was jumping at the opportunity to let people go.

But at the same time, even the players that could have helped us play better and win, if they aren't bought in, they needed to go. I bet the coaching staff follows that notion, even if it means we lose games in the short term. In the long-term this will pay us dividends with culture, expectations, etc. We need players that fit the system and believe in what is happening. Keeping anyone that doesn't, I believe, will kill the future.
 
#236      
95% plus of the people who have left the program have done so because of a consensus decision. The consensus being them, their parents and our coaching staff.

If you actually believe that JG and CC left our program within 45 minutes of one another because of coincidence, you live in a world that does not exit. They were kept in the loop as far as our OC search was going and when Smith signed on, they were informed of the style of offense we were going to run and that it probably didn't fit their skill set. You are welcome to stay but you are probably not going to see the field.

That is just being honest with players
 
#237      
95% plus of the people who have left the program have done so because of a consensus decision. The consensus being them, their parents and our coaching staff.

If you actually believe that JG and CC left our program within 45 minutes of one another because of coincidence, you live in a world that does not exit. They were kept in the loop as far as our OC search was going and when Smith signed on, they were informed of the style of offense we were going to run and that it probably didn't fit their skill set. You are welcome to stay but you are probably not going to see the field.

That is just being honest with players

I don't have inside information, but I actually think that there is more news waiting to emerge.

I don't think that CC would leave and not play football with the news of a coaching change... But, I could be wrong.
 
#238      
I don't think we should perceive these transfers as a one-way street. I'm guessing that for the great majority they are leaving because someone is giving them a nudge and saying that it would be in their best interest to transfer.

I will gladly extend a warm welcome to those unfortunates who are transferring out of The Ohio State program.
 
#240      

mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
Having Mays back is nice, and Hylton is now being reported as leaving the team.
 
#241      
This is good news, I've always been a Mays fan and think he's got a ton of ability even if he doesn't fit the small/shifty/slot type guys they've been trying to recruit for this offense.
 
#244      

South Farms

near Ogden & Rt 83
I would just add it to your hatred for Mike Thomas for allowing Beckman to come here without Matt Campbell.

this. why MT hired TB without more info re Campbells status and importance to the staff at Toledo back then is failure of due diligence to the highest degree

would be akin to someone buying Apple back in 1996 if Jobs wasn't part of the deal for 10 years
 
#245      

BZuppke

Plainfield
https://twitter.com/BigBossPat/status/957779071441698816

Are we going to have to hate Iowa State now? Cuz I'm down to hate Iowa State.

We have traditionally looked at Iowa State with sympathy. A downtrodden program with a fine tradition of hating the Hawkeyes. I think their hatred for all things Iowa still requires that we not hate them lest our hatred be interpreted as being sympathetic to the Hawkeyes. Somehow we have to blame the Hawkeyes in this case.
 
#246      

blmillini

Bloomington, IL
We have traditionally looked at Iowa State with sympathy. A downtrodden program with a fine tradition of hating the Hawkeyes. I think their hatred for all things Iowa still requires that we not hate them lest our hatred be interpreted as being sympathetic to the Hawkeyes. Somehow we have to blame the Hawkeyes in this case.

Isn't that the way we looked at Northwestern too. How things have changed.
 
#247      

SampsonRelpenk

Edwardsville, IL
We have traditionally looked at Iowa State with sympathy. A downtrodden program with a fine tradition of hating the Hawkeyes. I think their hatred for all things Iowa still requires that we not hate them lest our hatred be interpreted as being sympathetic to the Hawkeyes. Somehow we have to blame the Hawkeyes in this case.

You're objectively correct on all points, but resentment rides high for any program that rises above their place alongside us in the Power Five Futility Matrix.
 
#248      

Illini_1979

Oregon
We have traditionally looked at Iowa State with sympathy. A downtrodden program with a fine tradition of hating the Hawkeyes. I think their hatred for all things Iowa still requires that we not hate them lest our hatred be interpreted as being sympathetic to the Hawkeyes. Somehow we have to blame the Hawkeyes in this case.

Well argued.

Are you a lawyer, by chance? :D