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Old May 10, 2018, 03:43 PM   #1376
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Overstating things quite a bit IMO. They have Bargy who is #190 Nationally and then 2 more in the top 1000.

In 2009 we had Hawthorne at #72 and 6 others in top 1000.

As someone said earlier the high end talent hasn't been there in big numbers in state recently
Yeah also we still have plenty of options at the position start with the guys that are there bt the staff could be going after 4 star Jacques sorrels who told I believe roundtree to come to Illinois or Okpala who if u have seen the picture on the timeline is huge if there is one thing that NO coach can teach and thatís SIZE
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Old May 10, 2018, 04:28 PM   #1377
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Overstating things quite a bit IMO. They have Bargy who is #190 Nationally and then 2 more in the top 1000.

In 2009 we had Hawthorne at #72 and 6 others in top 1000.

As someone said earlier the high end talent hasn't been there in big numbers in state recently


There is higher end talent in Illinois, it's just not going to Illinois.
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Old May 10, 2018, 04:54 PM   #1378
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There is higher end talent in Illinois, it's just not going to Illinois.
I didn't say there wasn't any, but they aren't plentiful in Illinois as compared to other similar sized States
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Old May 10, 2018, 05:48 PM   #1379
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My thoughts exactly and the staff probably realized this which is why we r recruiting like 3 others at the position and minny can offer pt that he wonít get yr 1 wit h us
I would be very surprised if Bargy sees much PT as a true Fr. He is an athletic freak, which is why he is rated so high, but he has a long ways to go on the field. He would've really benefited from the tutelage of Lovie/Hardy
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Old May 10, 2018, 06:17 PM   #1380
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Fwiw, Werner quoted Lovie as telling Bargy he would continue to recruit him until he was signed. Maybe the Fleck persona will wear thin by then. Not likely, but possible.
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Old May 10, 2018, 06:26 PM   #1381
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Fwiw, Werner quoted Lovie as telling Bargy he would continue to recruit him until he was signed. Maybe the Fleck persona will wear thin by then. Not likely, but possible.
Well time to move on to the next recruit. A few months ago we were high on Trevor Keeganís list but last rumor I heard had him going to Ohio st anyone know anything?
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Old May 10, 2018, 07:32 PM   #1382
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Fwiw, Werner quoted Lovie as telling Bargy he would continue to recruit him until he was signed. Maybe the Fleck persona will wear thin by then. Not likely, but possible.
Fleck has decommits often this is not a bad strategy. We also have a lot at d end and a lot of good recruits interested too. This isn't earth shattering.
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Old May 10, 2018, 09:25 PM   #1383
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On to the next one....


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Old May 10, 2018, 09:29 PM   #1384
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If Cooper commits soon I think I could stop lamenting the loss of Bargy.

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Old May 10, 2018, 09:48 PM   #1385
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If Cooper commits soon I think I could stop lamenting the loss of Bargy.
Awesome recruit at a position of need?

+ freakin 1

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Old May 11, 2018, 05:18 AM   #1386
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Awesome recruit at a position of need?

+ freakin 1
Yeah I think heís on board but I think jack Buford and Marcus Washington are on the mizzou train which means we need to start going after Shammond and ira hard before this recruiting process gets a bit more aggravating
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Old May 11, 2018, 07:32 AM   #1387
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I don't think we are too upset down the road by not signing Bargy.. I have seen him play my 4A HS the last two years and he was very unimpressive and for the most part not noticed.. we had a 5'10 180 LB OT tear him up this fall.. our 5'9" 160 OLB knocked him out of the game in his soph year..

The guy has all the measurable, not sure much else
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Old May 11, 2018, 07:41 AM   #1388
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I don't think we are too upset down the road by not signing Bargy.. I have seen him play my 4A HS the last two years and he was very unimpressive and for the most part not noticed.. we had a 5'10 180 LB OT tear him up this fall.. our 5'9" 160 OLB knocked him out of the game in his soph year..

The guy has all the measurable, not sure much else
We didn't want him anyway.
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Old May 11, 2018, 08:25 AM   #1389
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We didn't want him anyway.
Classic. Would be a "great project with awesome measurables who will excel under the right tutelage while at U of I, likely contributing some in year 1 but will be a beast in year 2, possible draft pick after year 3." But since he committed elsewhere, "Eh. He sucks. Overrated."

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Old May 11, 2018, 08:44 AM   #1390
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Fairly good article about Illinois recruiting:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...is-lovie-smith

I tend to agree with most of what is written. I think it does undersell Lovie a bit - I don't think Patterson and Ward are as successful under, say, Beckman. I think recruits, especially defensive players, think Lovie does help their chances of getting to the NFL. But, as Washington says in the article, Illinois needs to show some results.
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Old May 11, 2018, 09:07 AM   #1391
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Fairly good article about Illinois recruiting:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...is-lovie-smith

I tend to agree with most of what is written. I think it does undersell Lovie a bit - I don't think Patterson and Ward are as successful under, say, Beckman. I think recruits, especially defensive players, think Lovie does help their chances of getting to the NFL. But, as Washington says in the article, Illinois needs to show some results.
Some interesting quotes from Shammond in there also. He seems to also expect some on-field results from us this year.

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Old May 11, 2018, 09:34 AM   #1392
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Classic. Would be a "great project with awesome measurables who will excel under the right tutelage while at U of I, likely contributing some in year 1 but will be a beast in year 2, possible draft pick after year 3." But since he committed elsewhere, "Eh. He sucks. Overrated."
Maybe he will develop into a stud, but right now on the field playing a 2A schedule, he doesn't stand out when I have seen them.. but the kid has some major measurables.
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Old May 11, 2018, 09:35 AM   #1393
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I don't think we are too upset down the road by not signing Bargy.. I have seen him play my 4A HS the last two years and he was very unimpressive and for the most part not noticed.. we had a 5'10 180 LB OT tear him up this fall.. our 5'9" 160 OLB knocked him out of the game in his soph year..

The guy has all the measurable, not sure much else
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Classic. Would be a "great project with awesome measurables who will excel under the right tutelage while at U of I, likely contributing some in year 1 but will be a beast in year 2, possible draft pick after year 3." But since he committed elsewhere, "Eh. He sucks. Overrated."
Meh, yes and no.

By many accounts, Bargy has all the tools. However, according to an (alleged) eyewitness account, he is soft ( my interpretation).

We see this scenario often, especially with raw talent. Coaches love the measureables, guys who have played against them, or have seen them play, are not impressed with their on field/court production.

How often have we seen this debate with the NBA, as sometimes the NFL draft? "I Can't they took ____ so high, he did nothing in college..."

But I also agree, too often it is sour grapes. Not specific to Illini fans however.

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Old May 11, 2018, 09:43 AM   #1394
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I’m guessing Bargy will do fine. Even if he isn’t an NFL draft pick I bet we will see him make some plays against us on the field and hate that Fleck pulled him from Illinois.

Oh well!

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Old May 11, 2018, 01:25 PM   #1395
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Fairly good article about Illinois recruiting:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...is-lovie-smith

I tend to agree with most of what is written. I think it does undersell Lovie a bit - I don't think Patterson and Ward are as successful under, say, Beckman. I think recruits, especially defensive players, think Lovie does help their chances of getting to the NFL. But, as Washington says in the article, Illinois needs to show some results.


Whitman understands the disaster Lovie inherited and is concerned more with a 5-7 year plan. Whitman is building facilities and infrastructure to have a good program, including having the right coach in place. Illinois recruiting is getting better in years 1-3, winning will follow. We had terrible recruiting under Beckman and the tail end of Zook. That is why we are bad. Still another year away until we start to see the talent play as juniors that we will see more wins. Also need to develop our QBs.
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Old May 11, 2018, 01:52 PM   #1396
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Fairly good article about Illinois recruiting:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...is-lovie-smith

I tend to agree with most of what is written. I think it does undersell Lovie a bit - I don't think Patterson and Ward are as successful under, say, Beckman. I think recruits, especially defensive players, think Lovie does help their chances of getting to the NFL. But, as Washington says in the article, Illinois needs to show some results.
This goes along with what I have been saying. In 2 years, facilities will be up to par, we should be winning more ball games, and dudes will start getting DRAFTED. That is what the majority of these kids want, to play for a living.
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Old May 11, 2018, 03:16 PM   #1397
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This goes along with what I have been saying. In 2 years, facilities will be up to par, we should be winning more ball games, and dudes will start getting DRAFTED. That is what the majority of these kids want, to play for a living.
Great points. We will need to start selling wins vs PT time.
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Old May 11, 2018, 03:53 PM   #1398
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Everyone wants the NFL or the NBA. In high school they just don't realize how elite those leagues are. Miznoz had one player drafted. This is why you get an education. You live the best years of your life in college, then you move on to make something of yourself. But no one is going to draft you just because you think they should. You can have that as a goal, but history is full of athletes who bet the farm on it and lost.
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Old May 11, 2018, 07:18 PM   #1399
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Fairly good article about Illinois recruiting:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...is-lovie-smith

I tend to agree with most of what is written. I think it does undersell Lovie a bit - I don't think Patterson and Ward are as successful under, say, Beckman. I think recruits, especially defensive players, think Lovie does help their chances of getting to the NFL. But, as Washington says in the article, Illinois needs to show some results.
And here's what Cooper says:

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ďThey gotta be somewhat decent, where we can go somewhere and change things around. I donít want to go to a program thatís dead, canít get out the water. I have to see improvement, but I see potential,Ē Shammond Cooper said. ďThey have to have a decent season, win like five games, show some potential against the big teams like Ohio State. I donít want to see them getting 60-balled. Iíd give it a 50-50 chance that Illinois sweeps all of us.Ē
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Old May 11, 2018, 07:40 PM   #1400
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And here's what Cooper says:
There were a lot of interesting quotes in there. It shows what many of us already know: we have the players' attention, now we need to win to keep it.
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