Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (April-June 2016)

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FatGreg

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Looks like Egwu averaged 9.2 points, 7.2 boards, 1.3 blocks, and 1.5 assists over 50 games in the D-League. Pretty impressive. Might end up like Brian Randle and peak well after leaving Champaign.
 
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FatGreg

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Agreed on Hill. Unfortunately, unless he averages 20, 7, and 5 while shooting 42% from 3 and leading the Illini to a tournament berth, he won't be drafted. He needs to become projectable as a 3-and-D wing to get an NBA look, and right now he's an average-shooting, underathletic, ball dominant scorer who can beat the opposition with his advanced skill set. Defense is okay, but not a selling point.

If you put him in a time machine and sent him back to 1973, he'd be an NBA player. With the way the game has evolved, though, he's looking at a long career in Europe or China. Still a great way to earn a paycheck.
 
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For all the discussion in this thread of the virtues of going to Kansas vs. Illinois, Tilmon's situation boils down to this: does he want to be to Illinois what Cody Zeller was to Indiana, namely the guy who says "My state school may be down, but I want to be the guy to start bringing them back."
 
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...eseason-big-board-labissiere-simmons-lead-way

Malcolm Hill during September of 2015 was rated the 35th best prospect in the 2016 NBA draft according to a staff writer on CBS. Not a reliable source or official mock draft, but the fact that this was before he had a tremendous season shows that people see him as an NBA player. I will say it again, if Cameron Bairstow can make the NBA, then Malcolm Hill can make the NBA.
 
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Sal Iacuzzo

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I have hard time seeing Malcolm's game translating to the NBA. He's a below average athlete at the Big Ten level and is an average at best outside shooter. Who is he going to defend?
 
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Sal Iacuzzo said:
I have hard time seeing Malcolm's game translating to the NBA. He's a below average athlete at the Big Ten level and is an average at best outside shooter. Who is he going to defend?
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There are a lot of players in the NBA who don't defend anyone.
 
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Sal Iacuzzo said:
I have hard time seeing Malcolm's game translating to the NBA. He's a below average athlete at the Big Ten level and is an average at best outside shooter. Who is he going to defend?
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And now, back to recruiting....

I am really hoping we can land Tilmon, Goodwin, Lewis, and Frazier based on all the positive reports I'm hearing from AAU tournaments.
 
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Way off topic, but Simmons didn't improve LSU from the three previous seasons:

Pre-Simmons
LSU 2012-13 19-12
LSU 2013-14: 20-14
LSU 2014-15: 22-11

With Simmons
LSU 2015-16: 19-14

They were basically the same team before he got there and when he was there. If Simmons were a transcendent player, one would think he would improve that team especially playing in the weak SEC. There is a chance that Simmons is toxic and more concerned about Simmons than wins. Great players win games.

I would take Ingram first in a heartbeat. 6'11" guys that can shoot like Ingram do pretty well in the NBA. (see Nowitski and Durant - Ingram might be a better pure shooter than both of those guys)


Another topic, more on point with recruiting:

Kansas and Kentucky can sell tradition, success, exposure etc that Illinois cannot. Caliper and Self can also sell the fact that each recruit will be practicing against other elite players every day in practice. "You want to be the best, compete against the best every day in practice." This factor is often over-looked by the casual fan.

Illinois can sell playing time and the opportunity to show scouts that you are a winner by leading the Illini to the tourney. I personally think that if I were a post player, I would be intrigued by the Illini looking at the potential of the roster, but the blue bloods can sell that too
 
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Obelix

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GameOfThrows said:
Way off topic, but Simmons didn't improve LSU from the three previous seasons:

Pre-Simmons
LSU 2012-13 19-12
LSU 2013-14: 20-14
LSU 2014-15: 22-11

With Simmons
LSU 2015-16: 19-14

They were basically the same team before he got there and when he was there. If Simmons were a transcendent player, one would think he would improve that team especially playing in the weak SEC. There is a chance that Simmons is toxic and more concerned about Simmons than wins. Great players win games.

I would take Ingram first in a heartbeat. 6'11" guys that can shoot like Ingram do pretty well in the NBA. (see Nowitski and Durant - Ingram might be a better pure shooter than both of those guys)
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Not to put a major hole in your argument, because I don't care either way, but the same argument that you make against Simmons in favor of Ingram can be made against Ingram as well. It is not that Ingram really improved Duke this year. BTW, I do not believe that Ingram is 6'11".
 
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The bottom line is this:

When the best basketball players in Illinois play for the University of Illinois, we are as good or better than Kansas and the players go on to play in the NBA.

It doesn't matter if Illinois' coach is Henson, Kruger, Self, Groce or Fozzie Bear.
 
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GameOfThrows said:
Way off topic, but Simmons didn't improve LSU from the three previous seasons:

Pre-Simmons
LSU 2012-13 19-12
LSU 2013-14: 20-14
LSU 2014-15: 22-11

With Simmons
LSU 2015-16: 19-14

They were basically the same team before he got there and when he was there. If Simmons were a transcendent player, one would think he would improve that team especially playing in the weak SEC. There is a chance that Simmons is toxic and more concerned about Simmons than wins. Great players win games.

I would take Ingram first in a heartbeat. 6'11" guys that can shoot like Ingram do pretty well in the NBA. (see Nowitski and Durant - Ingram might be a better pure shooter than both of those guys)


Another topic, more on point with recruiting:

Kansas and Kentucky can sell tradition, success, exposure etc that Illinois cannot. Caliper and Self can also sell the fact that each recruit will be practicing against other elite players every day in practice. "You want to be the best, compete against the best every day in practice." This factor is often over-looked by the casual fan.

Illinois can sell playing time and the opportunity to show scouts that you are a winner by leading the Illini to the tourney. I personally think that if I were a post player, I would be intrigued by the Illini looking at the potential of the roster, but the blue bloods can sell that too
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Simmons may not have the "killer instinct" but he's far from selfish. If anyting he needed to be, or show more, selfishness. To often he'd look for the open teammate vs looking for his own shot. If you watched any LSU games this year you could tell Simmons was BY FAR the best basketball player on the floor. His outside shooting needs to improve, but his IQ/ballhandling/passing/rebounding/positioning/etc are all elite.

Ingram can shoot, but I wouldn't say he's a better pure shooter than KD. Ingram isn't a great athlete, avg at best on D, & a big ? if he'll be able to physically handle the NBA(not very strong or big).

To me Simmons jumpshot(solid form tho) and being to unselfish are the main knocks on Simmons.
 
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Larry Rose

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Second and Chalmers said:
There is a world of difference between Ben Simmons and Tilmon as NBA Draft prospects. This is again a failure of seeing 5 stars and assuming that it's all the same thing.

The top 2-3 guys (sometimes more, sometimes less depending on the class) are a different thing from everyone else. And then there's another cutoff around 10-12, and then another around 40 or so. This is just based historically on the pro production of recruits at those levels, that graph is not a straight line, it has distinct tiers. Tilmon is in that third group.

You know who keeps turning guys like that into lottery picks? Bill Self. Cole Aldrich, the Morris twins, Thomas Robinson, Ben McLemore, Brandon Rush, you could go on and on.
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Turning guys into lottery picks?? Giving the coach a little to much credit, and not enough credit for the individual players.
 
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Larry Rose

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illinoisportsfan said:
The bottom line is this:

When the best basketball players in Illinois play for the University of Illinois, we are as good or better than Kansas and the players go on to play in the NBA.

It doesn't matter if Illinois' coach is Henson, Kruger, Self, Groce or Fozzie Bear.
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Larry Rose

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Kris Air Wilkes ‏@kadw31 1h1 hour ago Good visit with Illinois and Michigan state.
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LSU's issues had little to do with Simmons, imo. Johnny Jones is in the Josh Pastner realm of terrible basketball coaches that still recruit well. They dreadfully under performed the year before Simmons was on campus despite having Martin and Mickey manning the post for them.
 
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Serious Late said:
LSU's issues had little to do with Simmons, imo. Johnny Jones is in the Josh Pastner realm of terrible basketball coaches that still recruit well. They dreadfully under performed the year before Simmons was on campus despite having Martin and Mickey manning the post for them.
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Underperformed at North Texas too when he had Tony Mitchell, IMO.
 
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