ESPN is still garbage and always has been. Tilmon barely in the top 40? LMAO.
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (July-August 2016)
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ESPN is still garbage and always has been. Tilmon barely in the top 40? LMAO.
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For the Scout rankings. Not sure why they're going to list players and then stop the numbers at 100. You can still say a guy is top 100 even if there's numbers after the players behind him.
Others on Scout:
[FONT="]Kiir 102[/FONT]
[FONT="]Kigab 111[/FONT]
[FONT="]Williams 129[/FONT]
[FONT="]Uyaelunmo 164[/FONT]
[FONT="]Verge 200[/FONT]
[FONT="]Pickett 201[/FONT]
Others on Scout:
[FONT="]Kiir 102[/FONT]
[FONT="]Kigab 111[/FONT]
[FONT="]Williams 129[/FONT]
[FONT="]Uyaelunmo 164[/FONT]
[FONT="]Verge 200[/FONT]
[FONT="]Pickett 201[/FONT]
Kigab is an extremely athletic, top-100 player. If he wants to come to Illinois, that's a great thing. There should be no doubt about accepting a commitment from him.
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4 spots. Not really worth the effort of posting such indignation.
Bonus bonus question: What was Michael Finke's commitment date?OK, now take the IL trivial contest to see if you have been paying attention.
1. What MLB team hat did JCL wear during his OV?
2. When JFG went to South Bend to pick up DJax and his buddie, what type of vehicle did Groce drive?
3. Prior to LaLu what HS did JCL attend? a give me.
4. What airport were Evans and his Mom diverted to on way to OV?
5. What is JCL's little brother Isaiah's nickname??
6. What does LeRon Black's Mom do for a living?
7. What HS did the infamous cheerleader go to that tweeted TF during his visit last weekend?
8. What college did JFG's wife graduate from?
9. Who is the best ping pong player on the UI team/.staff?
10. Where did JCL's DAD go to HS??
Have fun.:
Bonus question--What police force does DPaul's Dad work for??
(hint: think Meyers Leonard)
Didn't realize there was that big of a difference between Kiir and Uyaelumno. DaMonte from top 50 to #129 is to say the least concerning.
That's not a big difference.
No it isn't. It doesn't mean he's lost any talent over that time.
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My bad. Dyslexia typo on Pickett. Actually he's 210, although the difference between 201 and 210 is at best negligible. But I always strive to be accurate.
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ESPN rating of Trent Frazier.
4 star with grade of 80. 35th PG nationally.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...er&collegeid=&class=2017&position=SG&state=13
4 star with grade of 80. 35th PG nationally.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...er&collegeid=&class=2017&position=SG&state=13
Wilkes will be scheduling one with us as well.
I doubt there are 34 pg's better than frazier
I think he's the one recruit ESPN has a more correct ranking of for us. Based on performance at least, ImO.
I agree. He absolutely started destroying competition and basically got no ranking recognition for it. He got a couple nice articles over the summer and confirmed, for fans, Groces talent evaluation of him.
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Just lists of opinions. I tend to like Scout on Tilmon and Frazier and ESPN on Williams and Verge. They're all just conversation/argument fodder when you get down to it. But almost everybody loves lists. David Wallechinsky got rich off of the concept. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Lists
It is curious. Scouts been high on Frazier for a while. I don't understand how they could lower his ranking after the July he had.
IllinoisFan733
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Fun game: If Frazier had committed to Michigan State, Arizona, Kansas, blue blood, etc... what would his rank have still gone down?
Reggie Rankin was hinting that Frazier would move into the top 100, guess he was wrong.
Frazier is going to be a good player. He almost became a national name this summer. Yet there's a number of very high ranked pg's I've never heard of. Doesn't mean they aren't good but I haven't heard of them or seen what they did all summer so...
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I know, I watched him say it on TV. Must have got outranked by Borzello and Goodman.
102 to 164 ?
You look at classes historically and the break points in talent become pretty clear.
The first cut, every now and again you get a Lebron James or an Anthony Davis, guys who are just different, evolutionary physical specimens. Most years you have zero, Oden and Durant is the only year in the memory you could argue there were two. Only a handful of these guys in recent memory have ever gone to college. Davis, Oden, Durant, Wiggins. That's about it. You're going back to Shaq before that.
Then there are the usual top maybe 6-9 players, depending on the strength of the class. There's a clear dropoff beyond that point in terms of college impact and likelihood of NBA Draft selection. Illinois hasn't landed a player in this tier since Marcus Liberty.
Then there are the next group of guys out to around #40 or so, again depending on the strength of the class. That's where you get another clear cut in terms of likelihood of being a star in college and playing in the NBA. Illinois has had plenty of these guys. Frank Williams, Brian Cook, Dee Brown, Meyers Leonard, to name a few. JCL is in there, as is Tilmon. Black is borderline, his was a pretty solid, deep class so it's arguable.
And then the next tier dips down pretty far, well past 100. There's not much difference in terms of expected outcome between #62 and number #150. This is basically the majority of Power Five players, guys with the talent to be reasonably expected to have an impact on that level. When you drop below that you kinda know it when you see it. Not to pick on Jaylon Tate and Khalid Lewis, but we had a position on the floor last year where we didn't have a guy in that tier, and it showed.
Those tiers are quite clear when you go back and actually analyze the data. The five-star, four-star, three-star thing is good for internet chatter, but it could really be refined to better reflect how much these guys actually matter.
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
I appreciate this summary.
I've seen this generally posted here before, but not so recently.
Its helpful to have a framework to build your expectations around and I like this one.
Don't know enough to argue with the perspective that 41-150 are about the same. Seems like a big range, but that is your point and I can probably remember it, so again, its a helpful perspective.
Thanks
I would disagree here and the data suggests that also. There's probably a line you could draw here, but I think it's quite a bit further down than the 60s. Top 100 is typically used by a lot of rankings and it's probably too far down but closer to reality.
Stars do matter and there's fairly decent correlation, too.
Yes and no. Nobody is questioning his talent, but the production, as you know, doesn't match. I'd be curious to see how that changes this high school season when he is the primary scoring option and maybe playing better together than his AAU team did. Something isn't right when you have Okafor, Big Cliff, Lovett, Lyle, Brunson, and others on the same team and you don't win it all.
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