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I think Cuonzo, er.....I mean whoever the next coach is should think about bringing Deon in on the staff. He could coach the bigs and could help with recruiting Chicago. Most importantly, he could instill some of that old pride and what it meant to wear that jersey!!
Not gonna be Zo. But he'll probably be in the braggin rights game.
I will be semi shocked if it isn't Cuonzo at this point. It makes as much sense as Self to Kansas at this point
I hope he doesn't go to Missouri, for several reasons. We're in a bad place, but Mizzou is the Springfield Tire Fire from The Simpsons (both in the basketball program and outside of it). I know it's close to home for Cuonzo, but that is a full-on disaster there. I'd rather stay at Cal than have to deal with that.
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What makes you say that TC? I know you've been alluding to a hire like this for a while.
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Hello everyone, I am new to this board, and I am hoping for the return of good Illini basketball! I see some people are interested in Monty Williams. Honest question because I didn't follow him in New Orleans, is there reason to think that he will be better here than his 173/221 career win/loss record?
Cal lost by 5 points to a very good Arizona team in Tucson. Saw the first half to see how Cal played offense and defense. Cal had good ball and player movement on offense. Rabb had a very disappointing game. On defense, they have a true rim protector (he may lead nation in blocks) and Rabb. So I like the two big look, not a fan of the small PF for the most part(Yeah, I know Villanova makes it work).
Probably the biggest difference is that Martin unlike our staff gets on his guys. I can't see a lack of defensive intensity and Martin allowing that player or squad to remain on the court.
Probably the biggest difference is that Martin unlike our staff gets on his guys. I can't see a lack of defensive intensity and Martin allowing that player or squad to remain on the court.
NBA and college are two different animals. Go take a look at Calipari or Pitino's NBA record compared to their college records. Also, he did a great job with that Pelicans team. Definitely didn't deserve to be let go.
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Ya I get that, but Calipari and Pitino got their NBA jobs because they had shown that they were good in the NCAA previous to that. They have their current NCAA jobs in spite of their poor NBA records, not because of them. But, that said, someone may be a good coach in a bad situation, which is why I have wondered if that is the reason he is still getting considered.
Monty Williams went 46-36 in his first season with New Orleans and made the playoffs. After the season, the team went into full rebuild mode, trading Chris Paul and David West (their two best players). They only won 21 games, but Williams kept them competitive. They won the lottery and drafted Anthony Davis. Williams drew rave reviews for his coaching and mentorship of Davis. In Monty's fourth year, he made the playoffs again despite being outgunned everywhere except Power Forward in terms of talent. He was fired after that year and a lot of people thought it was unfair. He landed as an assistant to Billy Donavan in OKC and drew praise for his work there. Also, obviously, coaching for USA basketball is huge. Now he's in a key front office role with the Spurs.
He didn't win a ton of games, but Monty is generally regarded as one of the brightest up-and-coming defensive minds in the coaching community. He runs some really novel and effective defensive sets. Besides that, he's considered an extremely high character person and lauded for his relationship-building skills. People in the past have suggested that he would excel in the college game due to his personality and gift for teaching/player development. I don't know if he's actually interested, but when the rumor came out and I did some digging, it was like, "huh. That could make a lot of sense." My only concern is whether he'll be able to navigate the gray areas of college recruiting, because he sounds like a really morally upright human being. Obviously not a bad thing, and I think Groce fits into that category and does fine as a recruiter.
Ok that makes more sense then. Thanks for the info!
Thanks for the post. Well done. In regards to the "grey" areas, isn't that what assistant coaches are for?
Thanks for the post. Well done. In regards to the "grey" areas, isn't that what assistant coaches are for?
Assistants to some extent. Usually assistants coordinating with boosters and various middle men, who then coordinate with AAU coaches and street agents, who coordinate with parents and high school coaches. Along the way, funds get sheltered in safe harbors ("marketing contractors" who can hold money untraceably for a fee, etc.). If and when certain incentives filter down to recruits' parents' bank accounts, it will be after 10+ individual pass-through channels are activated (contractors and legal businesses that would be difficult to pin down). I work in an industry where superficially similar transactions occur in order to circumvent official policies. No one looks too closely - you just can't be sloppy or they'll make an example of you.
I can say with certainty that:
1) Not all recruits are getting paid - some come from families that would never in a million years take illegal money and would eliminate a school for even implying such a thing.
2) If you don't play in the gray spaces with recruits who require it, it's nearly impossible to be competitive at the P5 level. It's the unfortunate reality of big time collegiate athletics. Virtually all P5 schools engage in shady recruiting to some extent. The head coach is probably almost never directly involved.
Fascinated by the Monty Williams potential. Curious as to whether he would he be content here or would this just be a stepping stone? This would have to be a concern of Whitman's. Curious as to who he would recruit for a staff.
Guesses include former NCAA Coach of the Year Randy Ayers and/or Anthony Grant. Ayers and Monty have a long history.
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What a great Post. THank you for clarifying this. I also think if jerry colangelo is supporting him, we need to look long and hard at him. Lets say we hire him under Jerry's recommendation, Colangelo is going to be even more invested in his Alma Mater's success, which is only a good thing. If somehow this new hire can pull our history back together around the program, we will see a more successful tenure for the new coach. This is something Groce (and former AD Thomas) couldn't do.
Fascinated by the Monty Williams potential. Curious as to whether he would he be content here or would this just be a stepping stone? This would have to be a concern of Whitman's. Curious as to who he would recruit for a staff.
If he does well enough here to attract other job offers, that would be a very good thing.
Exactly. Worrying about a coach leaving before he even gets here only leads you to a Weber hire.
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