2017 Coaching Carousel

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cam said:
First year Groce was here we were within a possession of beating 2 seed Miami to get to the sweet 16, he can coach, is he Gregg Marshall or Izzo? No
We have not had a great roster to even know, no NBA players and terrible point guard play. Lucas has changed that and if he didn't have to come out the other day with foul trouble we probably win. The idea that Groce can't coach at all is ridiculous, Tate, Abrams, Hill, Black and Morgan is a very avg team at best, Lucas made it a lot better. He will win with this talent, now if you can get a great coach maybe you do it
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I'm sorry, if you need to go back 5 years to defend a coach who wasn't playing with a roster of his guys, while pointing to a one-off game. You've already lost the argument. There is next to nothing in the last 4 years of Illinois basketball under JG that should make anyone think that he's the answer for this program going forward.
 
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Excellent summary of the last four years from Groundhog Day (one of the best posters on this board, but rarely seen these days).

See it in the comments on Illiniboard

2014 - Abrams/Rice/Bertrand/Ekey/Egwu took a while to gel with Groce's freshman class. January swoon of 8 straight losses took us out of the NCAAs. Best defensive team of Groce era, but offense was offensive.
2015 - Wheels came off late, with internal chemistry problems, when we seemed destined for the NCAA tournament.
2016 - Wheels came off early, middle and late with injury and disciplinary problems.
2017 - Experienced/deep team farted away most of the season before finally playing with some focus and urgency when it was too late. Inexplicable.
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cam said:
First year Groce was here we were within a possession of beating 2 seed Miami to get to the sweet 16, he can coach, is he Gregg Marshall or Izzo? No
We have not had a great roster to even know, no NBA players and terrible point guard play. Lucas has changed that and if he didn't have to come out the other day with foul trouble we probably win. The idea that Groce can't coach at all is ridiculous, Tate, Abrams, Hill, Black and Morgan is a very avg team at best, Lucas made it a lot better. He will win with this talent, now if you can get a great coach maybe you do it
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Not had a great roster, no NBA player, terrible PG play. Man, if only there was someone in charge of constructing said roster and maximizing the talents of that roster such that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Regardless of the warts demonstrated over the last 4+ years, I'm sure Groce will re-invent himself starting next season. Maybe get that ladder up earlier in the season?

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cam said:
First year Groce was here we were within a possession of beating 2 seed Miami to get to the sweet 16, he can coach, is he Gregg Marshall or Izzo? No

We have not had a great roster to even know, no NBA players and terrible point guard play. Lucas has changed that and if he didn't have to come out the other day with foul trouble we probably win. The idea that Groce can't coach at all is ridiculous, Tate, Abrams, Hill, Black and Morgan is a very avg team at best, Lucas made it a lot better. He will win with this talent, now if you can get a great coach maybe you do it
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Watching an Illinois game, it becomes pretty obvious Groce can't coach. His players do not seem cohesive and respond like 5 guys playing together in a skins vs shirts pickup game. This is called bad preparation. Add to that the fact that as crunch time in a close game approaches, Groce usually looks like a candidate for the psych ward, screaming out commands that the players don't seem to recognize. And then there is his terrible time management. How this guy was ever successful at OU is beyond me and probably attributable to the blind squirrel theory. Apparently that theory doesn't work in the B1G. Not sure Groce could win if he had the Golden State Warriors playing for him.


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TCTORNADO

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We just need more of this.:D
 

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aluma said:
To me, hiring a new coach could payoff huge dividends for our program. If you can find someone who is able to keep our current team and recruiting class in tact, you really do have a great foundation for future success. It looks a lot better for a new coach to have a young team that doesn't make the NCAA tournament but that shows promise than a coach that will be in his 6th season and having only made 1 NCAA tournament @ ILLINOIS! The script and the story play out much different with a new coach than with Groce. What do you do if Groce comes back next year and we again miss the tournament? Which I think is likely with such a young team and not enough post players.
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If Groce coaches another year in Champaign, we will be having virtually the same discussion next year at this time. Not sure this guy could win with the Golden State Warriors roster. Five years is long enough to prove yourself. Whitman should have spent the last year preparing for a coaching change to facilitate a smooth and timely transition and minimize any recruiting issues. Maybe he did (I haven't talked to him). At this point, it should be a matter of confidence. Time to move on. Let's do a better job of screening prospects this time.


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Illiini

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Rafale said:
Whitman should have spent the last year preparing for a coaching change to facilitate a smooth and timely transition and minimize any recruiting issues.
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Whitman had enough on his plate with football last year, and how would it have looked for him to have fired both the football coach and basketball coach one after the other?

There was still some hope for Groce--don't forget he was running with a damaged team last year--so yeah, it was better for him to both wait and wait and see.
 
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News is breaking that former Tennessee coach Donnie Tyndall is emerging as a leading candidate for for the soon-to-be-vacated Illinois head coaching job. Now working as an assistant coach in some capacity for the Toronto Raptors, Tyndall had a short tenure in Tennessee in part due to a less than stellar record and in part due to some "unfinished business" relating to a series of rules violations while coaching at Southern Mississippi. Assuming he is viewed as employable by the NCAA, Tyndall could probably be signed for less than $100,000 without a long term contract. His lack of previous success or coaching credentials could be at least partially offset by the fact that he "seems like a nice guy". There is also the issue of a ten year "show cause" penalty imposition that the NCAA would have to waive related to Tyndall's MSU experience. It will be interesting to watch as this situation evolves.


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Trakis

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Rafale said:
News is breaking that former Tennessee coach Donnie Tyndall is emerging as a leading candidate for for the soon-to-be-vacated Illinois head coaching job. Now working as an assistant coach in some capacity for the Toronto Raptors, Tyndall had a short tenure in Tennessee in part due to a less than stellar record and in part due to some "unfinished business" relating to a series of rules violations while coaching at Southern Mississippi. Assuming he is viewed as employable by the NCAA, Tyndall could probably be signed for less than $100,000 without a long term contract. His lack of previous success or coaching credentials could be at least partially offset by the fact that he "seems like a nice guy". There is also the issue of a ten year "show cause" penalty imposition that the NCAA would have to waive related to Tyndall's MSU experience. It will be interesting to watch as this situation evolves.


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There is no way this is true. Right? Whitman came into a program surrounded in controversy left by Beckman. I refuse to believe he'd hire a guy with any blemish on his record.
 
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cam said:
First year Groce was here we were within a possession of beating 2 seed Miami to get to the sweet 16, he can coach, is he Gregg Marshall or Izzo? No
We have not had a great roster to even know, no NBA players and terrible point guard play. Lucas has changed that and if he didn't have to come out the other day with foul trouble we probably win. The idea that Groce can't coach at all is ridiculous, Tate, Abrams, Hill, Black and Morgan is a very avg team at best, Lucas made it a lot better. He will win with this talent, now if you can get a great coach maybe you do it
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lol. thanks for the laugh.
 
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mhuml32

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Rafale said:
News is breaking that former Tennessee coach Donnie Tyndall is emerging as a leading candidate for for the soon-to-be-vacated Illinois head coaching job. Now working as an assistant coach in some capacity for the Toronto Raptors, Tyndall had a short tenure in Tennessee in part due to a less than stellar record and in part due to some "unfinished business" relating to a series of rules violations while coaching at Southern Mississippi. Assuming he is viewed as employable by the NCAA, Tyndall could probably be signed for less than $100,000 without a long term contract. His lack of previous success or coaching credentials could be at least partially offset by the fact that he "seems like a nice guy". There is also the issue of a ten year "show cause" penalty imposition that the NCAA would have to waive related to Tyndall's MSU experience. It will be interesting to watch as this situation evolves.
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Not even a good attempt at a fake rumor. I at least laughed at a few parts.
 
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IlliniInOK

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Where is that info coming from? Gotta think it's not all that reliable. Can't see us hiring a guy with a show cause, and hiring him for the suggested $100k/yr for a short-term deal just screams desperation. He was 186-117 in 9 years as a HC (6 at Morehead St, 2 at Southern Miss (later all vacated due to academically ineligible players) and 1 at Tennessee) with a collective 102-58 conference record.
 
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mhuml32

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Show-clause penalty, just initiated a federal lawsuit against the NCAA, recruiting violations at every one of his HC stops, limited success at jobs before UTK, and he's as assistant coach for the Raptor's D-League team.

The chance of him getting a job in the NCAA right now is zero.
 
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IlliniInOK said:
Where is that info coming from? Gotta think it's not all that reliable. Can't see us hiring a guy with a show cause, and hiring him for the suggested $100k/yr for a short-term deal just screams desperation. He was 186-117 in 9 years as a HC (6 at Morehead St, 2 at Southern Miss (later all vacated due to academically ineligible players) and 1 at Tennessee) with a collective 102-58 conference record.
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He's clearly kidding....
 
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PhillyIllini said:
lol. thanks for the laugh.
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Glad you were amused. Can anyone mention a good Illinois team ever with poor point guard play? I don't think there has been one and that has been the problem and as I have said repeatedly it has now been fixed.
 
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Weak athletic directors will give in to fan bases.

Excluding interims, Wittman is the 8th athletic director in my years of following the Illini. Wittman is the strongest and its probably not even close.

Stoner was a much better promoter and snake oil salesman but weaker than Wittman as a director. Stoner was fun to have a beer with.

All the others were managers rather than directors. They managed to keep us in the black but weren't particularly "big" in their thinking and were very adverse to taking chances. Wittman doesn't suffer from that disease.

If Wittman lets JG go, it is because Wittman doesn't have confidence in the future. If he keeps him, it is because he sees something that he thinks deserves one more year or (and this is very possible) he is completely unimpressed with the available replacements out there. A lateral move with another 5 years of disappointment is the worst decision. By the way, there will be a lot more openings than NC State one week after the tournament.

Not one word that anybody on this board says, mine included, will have any
effect on him. We begged for a strong leader, we've got him.
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Interesting post, but as a guy who runs several companies, I can tell you all of my managers know that I would rather fire someone incompetent and bring in anyone new than keep a failure. Groce is a proven failure and as a leader of his organization, Whitman sends a really bad message by keeping him. Taking a flyer on a up and coming mid major coach is far better for the organization than keeping a proven failure and if Whitman is a strong leader as you suggest, he will se this as well. Nothing destroys an organization's ability to be successful faster than keeping people on the team that everyone know's is incompetent. JMO
 
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