Illini Basketball 2018-2019

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Obelix

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rcjord1 said:
Actually, no stats organization looks at Rebounds they way you have described ( Rbs/per 40 min)
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Actually, you are wrong about that. C'mon Rob... this is the first time you hear about stats per 40 mins, and you think I made that category up? I am too lazy too do that anyway. :)

There are many stats organizations that look and publish stats per 40 minutes and have done it for years (including Sports Reference, ESPN, etc.). It is really standardized stats to account for differences in minutes played. College team coaching staffs have collected those for years, luckily for them (assistants), these stats are now readily available from stats organizations using analytics, so much of the legwork is done for them.

Below is per 40 mins stats (including all other stats) for Aaron.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/aaron-jordan-1.html

ESPN also calculates per 40 minutes stats in most categories (look at RP40: Rebounds Per 40 Minutes)
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds

Calling Damonte Williams the best rebounding guard last year is not really something to take much offense at, obviously DW did not average as many minutes as others, but that is for other factors (e.g., experience, shooting, etc.), not rebounding. We will see how players fare this year. Good luck to all, as I said I hope they all improve and surprise because current analyst projections have us low.
 
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Obelix said:
Actually, you are wrong about that. C'mon Rob... this is the first time you hear about stats per 40 mins, and you think I made that category up? I am too lazy too do that anyway. :)

There are many stats organizations that look and publish stats per 40 minutes and have done it for years (including Sports Reference, ESPN, etc.). It is really standardized stats to account for differences in minutes played. College team coaching staffs have collected those for years, luckily for them (assistants), these stats are now readily available from stats organizations using analytics, so much of the legwork is done for them.

Below is per 40 mins stats (including all other stats) for Aaron.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/aaron-jordan-1.html

ESPN also calculates per 40 minutes stats in most categories (look at RP40: Rebounds Per 40 Minutes)
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds

Calling Damonte Williams the best rebounding guard last year is not really something to take much offense at, obviously DW did not average as many minutes as others, but that is for other factors (e.g., experience, shooting, etc.), not rebounding. We will see how players fare this year. Good luck to all, as I said I hope they all improve and surprise because current analyst projections have us low.
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My point was and still is...Kipper was our best rebounding GUARD. That's the only thing I find offensive as you put it.
 
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illinitiger

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On Rebounding...
overall team and rankings last year are interesting ..we were 53rd in offensive rebounds and 347th in def rebounds. I guess its "the system" that may create that stark contrast between o boards and d boards.

Regardless of individual stats last year, we have alot of improvement needed w.r.t. team rebounding results....particularly on defense.
 
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rcjord1

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illinitiger said:
On Rebounding...
overall team and rankings last year are interesting ..we were 53rd in offensive rebounds and 347th in def rebounds. I guess its "the system" that may create that stark contrast between o boards and d boards.

Regardless of individual stats last year, we have alot of improvement needed w.r.t. team rebounding results....particularly on defense.
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Agree
 
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Second and Chalmers

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illinitiger said:
On Rebounding...
overall team and rankings last year are interesting ..we were 53rd in offensive rebounds and 347th in def rebounds. I guess its "the system" that may create that stark contrast between o boards and d boards.

Regardless of individual stats last year, we have alot of improvement needed w.r.t. team rebounding results....particularly on defense.
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There aren't many defensive rebounds available when you aren't forcing many missed shots.
 
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jmilt7

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I don't know if I want to get involved in the "is Kipper a guard or forward" dispute but this year's official roster lists him as a forward. And I found another that looks official for 2017-18 that also lists him as a forward. Or am I being too naive to think that means anything?
 
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Calvin

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Ayo looks pretty good to me except his physical development. Really needs to have a good weight coach, and I think some time to get some strength. I noticed that he was 0-5 from three in the U18 tournament victory, but his highlights have plenty of 3s. Anyone know how good his 3 pt shot is? He was 7-7 from the FT line --quite impressive.
 
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illinitiger

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FiveStar said:
I’m more interested in our opponent oreb%. I feel like even when we forced first shot misses we never cleaned up the board.
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BLUF: opponents o board % was 33%. Our O board % was 36%.

Opponent calc: 295 o boards ÷ 881 FG misses

Our calc: 398 o boards ÷ 1093 FG misses
 
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Calvin said:
Ayo ...... I noticed that he was 0-5 from three in the U18 tournament victory, but his highlights have plenty of 3s. Anyone know how good his 3 pt shot is? He was 7-7 from the FT line --quite impressive.
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Ayo is a very poor 3pt shooter with very poor form. Ayo can be streaky at times and hit several in a row, though. But in general, he struggles with his 3pt shot. This is probably the biggest knock on the kid and probably why he will not be an NBA 1 and done guard. And likely why the blue bloods were not all falling over themselves trying to recruit him despite Ayo beign an awesome player in general.

With that in mind, articles were written late spring/early summer this year about how much work Ayo has put into changing and improving his outside shot. Which is great. Kudos to Ayo!!! However, the only real data anyone can point to since then was the tournament he played in a few months ago where folks reported his form had improved drastically (nice). Yet, the frequency of him making outside shots really did not improve. Granted, a small sample size, though.
 
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TCTORNADO

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Selfcon4 said:
Ayo is a very poor 3pt shooter with very poor form. Ayo can be streaky at times and hit several in a row, though. But in general, he struggles with his 3pt shot. This is probably the biggest knock on the kid and probably why he will not be an NBA 1 and done guard. And likely why the blue bloods were not all falling over themselves trying to recruit him despite Ayo beign an awesome player in general.

With that in mind, articles were written late spring/early summer this year about how much work Ayo has put into changing and improving his outside shot. Which is great. Kudos to Ayo!!! However, the only real data anyone can point to since then was the tournament he played in a few months ago where folks reported his form had improved drastically (nice). Yet, the frequency of him making outside shots really did not improve. Granted, a small sample size, though.
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Nike EYBL, 16 games=27.3 % three point shooting.
 
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Second and Chalmers

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Selfcon4 said:
But in general, he struggles with his 3pt shot. This is probably the biggest knock on the kid and probably why he will not be an NBA 1 and done guard.
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Markelle Fultz was the #1 pick. De'Aaron Fox went in the top 5.

Ayo isn't going to be a 1-and-done because he's not a pogo-stick athlete.
 
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illinitiger

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Second and Chalmers said:
Markelle Fultz was the #1 pick. De'Aaron Fox went in the top 5.

Ayo isn't going to be a 1-and-done because he's not a pogo-stick athlete.
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Fultz may go down as one of the weakest #1s...didnt know he was a pogo stick athlete. Ayo seems to have good court vision. If he can keep opponents honest from 3, play D and feed others, he will be very valuable.
 
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Second and Chalmers

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illinitiger said:
Fultz may go down as one of the weakest #1s...didnt know he was a pogo stick athlete. Ayo seems to have good court vision. If he can keep opponents honest from 3, play D and feed others, he will be very valuable.
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We want Ayo to be Melo Trimble, not Fultz. It's a good thing that he's not an NBA scouting darling.
 
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BRucks

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Second and Chalmers said:
Markelle Fultz was the #1 pick. De'Aaron Fox went in the top 5.

Ayo isn't going to be a 1-and-done because he's not a pogo-stick athlete.
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Coach Fletcher was on Sat. Sportsline yesterday and mentioned that Ayo had increased his vertical by 7" since he had been on campus. When the host opined that that was far better than typical, Fletch agreed but said that it was primarily due to Ayo having never done any kind of training that would have shown an increase, prior to coming to campus.
 
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Bill Lumbergh

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Second and Chalmers said:
Markelle Fultz was the #1 pick. De'Aaron Fox went in the top 5.
Ayo isn't going to be a 1-and-done because he's not a pogo-stick athlete.
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Fultz was a plus shooter his year at Washington though, a major boon to his draft stock and being the #1 pick.

illinitiger said:
Fultz may go down as one of the weakest #1s...didnt know he was a pogo stick athlete. Ayo seems to have good court vision. If he can keep opponents honest from 3, play D and feed others, he will be very valuable.
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Fultz is being hugely underrated after a letdown of a season. He's going to be good.
 
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rtbritt

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BRucks said:
Coach Fletcher was on Sat. Sportsline yesterday and mentioned that Ayo had increased his vertical by 7" since he had been on campus. When the host opined that that was far better than typical, Fletch agreed but said that it was primarily due to Ayo having never done any kind of training that would have shown an increase, prior to coming to campus.
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I questioned this before, and I'll do it again; it seems like all of our guys improve their vertical by like 5-8 inches. I don't really buy it. I think Fletch is awesome and the work our guys are putting in is great, but I don't think they are improving their vert by that much. :noidea:
 
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FiveStar

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rtbritt said:
I questioned this before, and I'll do it again; it seems like all of our guys improve their vertical by like 5-8 inches. I don't really buy it. I think Fletch is awesome and the work our guys are putting in is great, but I don't think they are improving their vert by that much. :noidea:
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I once read an article, a long time ago so don’t remember the source, that talked about vertical jump increases. Something like you can get 2-3 inches on your vert from just lifting or just plyo. But in combination the multiplying effect can get you like 7-9. I thought it was an insane jump but idk. Maybe it isn’t.
 
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Ga65

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Thought Trent said something around 5" increase in his vertical and the ease of his dunks in the clips seems to verify it.
Wonder what it is for Griffin.
 
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Newman

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rtbritt said:
I questioned this before, and I'll do it again; it seems like all of our guys improve their vertical by like 5-8 inches. I don't really buy it. I think Fletch is awesome and the work our guys are putting in is great, but I don't think they are improving their vert by that much. :noidea:
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It seems to be true based on most of the videos posted but it's not a miraculous effort on Fletcher's end. Most high school players aren't exposed to a good strength and conditioning program so they enter college with a low baseline. You'll hear more about the guys that weren't known for their athleticism because they make the biggest initial jumps. e.g. Malcolm Hill, Ayo, Frazier. You're not going to hear about a guy that was already a pogo stick improving more than 2-3 inches in the first year.
 
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