Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (October 2018)
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He’s got 2 inches and about 30-40 lbs on Griffin. Griffin is a great shooter but Guerrier is overall a better player and has a much higher ceiling.
sacraig
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*The majority of the Illini fans want to see 1 thing: Results on the floor (winning)
FTFY
I think the majority of us honestly couldn't care less about how many stars our players have as long as the results on the floor are good. Recruiting good players is a means to an end, not the end itself. I think we'd all rather be Bo Ryan's Wisconsin than Lorenzo Romar's Washington.
Signing recruits in the spring seems to be considered bad as we should sign all in spring. I am still reserving judgement until I see this year's class play. They look athletic in the clips and were all on winning teams. Still believe you can develop skills but not height or athleticism. They may be plan B but smart plan B. Guess you can sign the plan B's in the fall but going for broke in the fall at least gives you a chance.
Have you seen either one play?
FeelYourPaign
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This is a wonderful summary of so many things . . .
In person? Of course not but I’ve seen some games online for both players. I think we’re overrating Griffin but I think he’ll be a good 3 and D player down the road as an upperclassman. I’m quite impressed with Guerrier though and think he can have an impact right away. Plenty of people have said that he’d be a top 50 guy if he lived in the US and I think that’s accurate. I also think that Griffin’s ranking of around 200th is accurate as well after seeing his ball handling and decision making. Back to Guerrier though, I think he would play the 4 for us if Kipper isn’t consistent on offense and doesn’t improve o defense.
Keep in mind once the ball hits the wing in the base offense it doesn’t matter who the 1, 2, 3, 4 is. Defensively yes. Offensively, if he’s not at the high post spot, it doesn’t really matter.
You are what you can guard
I agree with that in a more controlled defense, but with the pressure defense we play and the constant help and rotation it requires how often are we seeing an isolated 1v1 in the post defensive matchup?
Eh, often enough. And it's not like a wing guy is going to have the rim protection skills necessary to be the second layer of the defense either.
We were the most dunked-on team in America last year and I'll be pleasantly shocked if that doesn't repeat itself
Totally disagree about Griffin. His decision making?? Please elaborate.
ACtually, I was a bit confused as to which pair I saw play in Terre Haute. It was a first round game and Notre Dame with Tripuka and Shumate, I believe played Austin Peay that day while I can't remember who the Shockers played. I was extremely impressed by the duo I saw play, but won't swear as to which two of the three I saw. You are likely correct and I know one was Levingston but I can't swear if the other was McDaniel or Carr. I changed the name to McDaniel after googling all three but was still not certain. I am certain the the coach was Gene Smithson from my hometown and whose brother was my coach in 8th grade. Gene was a little to given to winning and got the program in trouble with the NCAA per recruiting violations. Likely, some of that team that year was recruited a bit on the shady side....but those three were studs and as good as anyone around.
How many post up back down Shaq dunks did we see last year? I literally cant think of one but I will assume a couple happened. We get dunked on cause our perimeter guys can’t keep people in front of them consistently which leads to lobs and dumpoffs. You really think QG couldn’t keep a 4 in front of him? How many backdown, post up, bully you 4s are we worried about? Back down post ups are becoming the big man version of the mid range. Analytically inefficient.
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I would like to see that stat from a real source. Most dunked on team. Or did you make that up?
Griffin and Gurrier both have somewhat limited film on them, and I would dare say not many have seen either live. Also not many would have wanted us to recruit either extensively either. I think Gurrier will be the overall bigger player (size), but I think there games may be similiar and Griffin will end up being a much better defensive player as well.
Anthony Welch vs Stephen Bardo similiar types at this point, based on sole possibilities obviously
If we can land Guerrier, then that's a major recruiting upset over the likes of Oregon and Syracuse. We'll see... Guerrier is inconsistently ranked, but I think his ceiling is as a top 40 player in the class of 2019. Some time with Fletch and Guerrier is NBA bound, he plays like a shorter Kevin Durant.
Take it easy on Oregon and Arizona. Their coaches are doing a great job under the scrutiny of federal investigators.
As a sales executive, I would never put 100% of my resources into one customer. However the bigger the opportunity the more resources you put toward that opportunity. You can use those same resources for multiple opportunities. However, we all get together as a group and determine which opportunities are viable and determine how much time and resources are going towards each opportunity. I'm sure all coaching staffs do the same sort of sales planning. This is done on a daily, weekly, monthly basis as opportunities constantly come and go. You have to be flexible and open to various opportunities.
skyIdub
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Also remember, just as in sales, maybe your pitch is outstanding, your product good, but the client goes a different direction. Then next year they call you back, disappointed with their original choice, to give you an opportunity.
Maybe Liddell will be miserable in Ohio. I know many people there who are.
Maybe Liddell will be miserable in Ohio. I know many people there who are.
I have some doubt about that as well. I remember how easy it was for opponents to score in the paint and how much we struggled at times at the other end as well. That is why I am really concerned about the frontcourt this year, given our limitations last year. Every team will get dunked, but it really did not stand out to me that we got dunked an incredible amount, but that is just going from memory, I may be wrong.
I think our backcourt this year will be much improved, I really do. My concern is frontcourt and specifically the 4/5 positions. I think we are very shallow.
Yup, it's a question of resource allocation.
Dan
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2019 four-star center Tre Mitchell
"The two schools to beat right now are UConn and Notre Dame but he still has an open mind. He’s taking an official visit to Illinois next weekend and then plans to wait and see who comes into the picture before scheduling his final two official visits."
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article219520255.html
"The two schools to beat right now are UConn and Notre Dame but he still has an open mind. He’s taking an official visit to Illinois next weekend and then plans to wait and see who comes into the picture before scheduling his final two official visits."
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article219520255.html
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