Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (September 2019)

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It's money. Who cares? The NCAA is so corrupt it's silly even mentioning it! Billions....with a "B"....are made off of them. If these kids and their families get a little pizza money from a grey area....so be it.

I've heard enough of the arguments and I used to be of the moral mindset with regards to this as well, but some money to the kids doesn't bother me one whit.
As Gritty mentioned, no academic cheating and crimes not tolerated, but pay the game.
 
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67arch said:
There is a moral reason ....and it is far more important than winning a game
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It's very, very admiral to take that stance. However, the flip side of that is not complaining when we're 12-21 because we're undersized, when we lack the athleticism and when we lack the depth to compete in the conference. We've been going on the, "when they develop" train for about 8 years now. The, "just wait until they get two years with Fletch" bandwagon. That's where we've been and that's where we are.

Truth be told, nobody knows what the expect from this year's team. Katz has us as a #5 seed, Lunardi doesn't even have us in his first four out. This is going to be the year in, year out occurrence until we start playing on a level playing field with our competitors.

Right now, our coaches are flying through three time zones to recruit, while they should only have to drive 150-200 miles.

Until the NCAA TRULY starts enforcing things....we need to start going to battle with the same artillery as everyone else. Morality is sending us out there with one arm tied behind our back.
 
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Because there is more to life than college athletics, and there is more to learn from college athletics than winning at all costs. There are rules and if you agree to be abide by those rules you should. That is the moral reason. Just because others cheat doesn't mean we should. Didn't we learn that in pre-school? We all are big fans and want the team to succeed, but I personally have just as much pride watching a guy like AJ play hard for four years and represent the university well.
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But a recruit who receives impermissible benefits can still play hard and represent the university well, right? And win while doing it. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
 
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oldschool51 said:
The gray area is 98% and we better start living on the edge, why have a athletic department if you do not want to compete, is Josh does not want to play that game lets find someone who will. I know some of you might be offended by this , but losing while everyone else is pushing the envelope is sickening
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There's gray in everyone.
 
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There's a problem with what your saying Skydub and Chief. Who are you to say what is okay (payment) and what isn't (cheating, violence). You see once you allow the line to be crossed each individual will decide what they are okay with.
 
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67arch said:
There is a moral reason ....and it is far more important than winning a game
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You could easily argue there is a moral reason that players shouldn't play for free while their coaches sign endorsement deals and get paid megabucks based on their performance. It cuts both ways. The bottom line is that there is no position in the modern NCAA revenue sports landscape that is ethically white. It is all one shade of gray or another and it's a real shame.
 
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illini62707 said:
There's a problem with what your saying Skydub and Chief. Who are you to say what is okay (payment) and what isn't (cheating, violence). You see once you allow the line to be crossed each individual will decide what they are okay with.
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I think it's absolutely absurd to imply that there is no line between payments and violence/academic fraud just because the NCAA considers them all to be violations. Of course, do they really consider academic fraud to be a violation? In name only.
 
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sacraig said:
I think it's absolutely absurd to imply that there is no line between payments and violence/academic fraud just because the NCAA considers them all to be violations. Of course, do they really consider academic fraud to be a violation? In name only.
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I'm not down with violence. It's the rest that is grayish.
 
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sacraig said:
You could easily argue there is a moral reason that players shouldn't play for free while their coaches sign endorsement deals and get paid megabucks based on their performance. It cuts both ways. The bottom line is that there is no position in the modern NCAA revenue sports landscape that is ethically white. It is all one shade of gray or another and it's a real shame.
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It’s a good thing they get a free education out of the deal then, isn’t it? Would hate for them to get nothing out of playing a game of their choice. If they don’t like it, they can be a regular student at any university of their choosing and walk out with 100k+ of student loans. Play for free my !!!.
 
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Buckets4days said:
It’s a good thing they get a free education out of the deal then, isn’t it? Would hate for them to get nothing out of playing a game of their choice. If they don’t like it, they can be a regular student at any university of their choosing and walk out with 100k+ of student loans. Play for free my !!!.
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So they "make" some $50k per year or so (which they never see) while their coaches make 7 figures and the TV networks make 9 figures. That's not equitable and it is not capitalist. That also doesn't include if a coach also makes more money on the side, a la Nick Saban shilling for any product who asks. That also doesn't include such ridiculous things as athletes being told they are not allowed to profit off of their own name and likeness. Any other student at the university can do that. Athletes can't.

As long as none of the money comes out of any sort of academic bucket, I am fine paying NCAA athletes fair market value if that is where we are headed. I am also 100% in favor of allowing them to sell and autograph for money. It's their own name. Give me a break.

This is the recruiting thread, so relating this all back to recruiting, I don't see at least some of the nonsense going on in recruiting as being any more morally bankrupt than the NCAA and its policies themselves, and if I am going to side with anyone, it's going to be the little guy.
 
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In addition to the free education/room/board, a lot of people would pay a lot of money to get the exposure (and additional training) these kids get in their chosen sport/field.

... so there’s that

Loosely akin to an apprenticeship? Certainly not playing for free in any sense.
 
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SeattleSlim said:
In addition to the free education/room/board, a lot of people would pay a lot of money to get the exposure (and additional training) these kids get in their chosen sport/field.

... so there’s that

Loosely akin to an apprenticeship? Certainly not playing for free in any sense.
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Fine. Playing for a sum of money that amounts to noise compared to the value they bring to the various stakeholders.
 
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Flight#33 said:
I hear we are recruiting a player from a city or country, who may or may not be tall. Has anyone heard about this?
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Did you hear this from my cousins, brother's, father.....?
 
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Fair or not fair, I am interested in everyone's opinions regarding the possibility of players being able to sell their likeness in the coming futures, as it pertains to IL and recruiting. Would IL be hurt or helped by this? How does the boosters of Champaign stack up against other college towns we are competing against? If they can sell their likeness, does that mean they can be in shoe commercials now? If they could, would that just drive more kids to the blue bloods? Do shoe companies start laundering money to local businesses so they can pay a player X amount of dollars to sign autographs at Papa Dells? How about on official visits, we show players that every off season, X amount of business owning alums up in Chicago bring in all the top players on the team and pay them to do some commercials for their business, usually resulting in an average of X amount of dollars every year. Not to mention all the "GREY AREA" activities that happen while you are up there.

Damn that escalated quickly...Would it help IL or hurt us overall?
 
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